64-bit Athlon for desktops delayed

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-01 03:14am

Damn if only Microsoft would get their 64-bit windows released (not that I'm going to use it, to encourage AMD to release the the chip sooner; probably going to run Linux on a 64 bit computer when I get one 2 years from now)

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Anyone know where I can get parts or a whole decent computer for under 200-250$?

ben · Post by **ben** » 2003-02-01 03:50am

depends what do you use your computer for? that is what detemines the components you need and their cost. you might try on-line price comparison sites like:

http://www.mysimon.com
http://www.pricegrabber.com
http://www.bizrate.com
http://www.pricewatch.com/
http://www.pricescan.com/
http://froogle.google.com/
http://www.googlegear.com
http://www.looksmart.com
http://www.dealtime.com

remember to check the e-retailers ratings and reputaions. and good luck to you.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 03:57am

250 dollars is unlikely to get you much of a computer. Though if your not concered with playing recent games and can reuse stuff like ram and a case you might do it. Otherwise expect to spend more like 400+ for a do it your self job.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-02-01 04:08am

thanks. Maybe my sister will lend me another 300$.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-01 04:12am

$400?

Man, Sarah cost about $2500, and Utsanomiko's was at least over $3K.

You must not expect to do much with your computer.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-01 04:57am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:$400?

Man, Sarah cost about $2500, and Utsanomiko's was at least over $3K.

You must not expect to do much with your computer.

Jesus shafting a squeling pig but thats at least 500 to much for a decent computer.. mind you I do tend to get much better rates and am probly spoild as a result

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-02-01 05:10am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:$400?

Man, Sarah cost about $2500, and Utsanomiko's was at least over $3K.

You must not expect to do much with your computer.

$400 is a nice price range that upgrades you to play the next generation
of games.....

reuse your case, hard drives, video card, and sound card......

New Mobo.... $100
New CPU......$200
New RAM......$100

And you've got a decently new comp.....only problem is if something
goes wrong, you've got no computer at all!

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-01 05:20am

MKSheppard wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:$400?

Man, Sarah cost about $2500, and Utsanomiko's was at least over $3K.

You must not expect to do much with your computer.
$400 is a nice price range that upgrades you to play the next generation
of games.....

reuse your case, hard drives, video card, and sound card......

New Mobo.... $100
New CPU......$200
New RAM......$100

And you've got a decently new comp.....only problem is if something
goes wrong, you've got no computer at all!

Yes yes, listen to Shep you should, the upgrade path is easier, more seductive!

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-01 07:18am

Face it kid, unless you had me or one of the other OC generation of Computer users build your previous computer, your not gonna get shit for upgrades under $300 simply because you have to many incompatabilitys along the way, Hell there are still a great majority of fokes(19%) who still don't even have standered ATX Cases yet! And Case is the one thing aside from monitors and drives you can easily resuse over and over agian.

Get around $900 then we can talk
With $900 you can have today

AMD 2000XP
512-Megs of DDR-3200 Ram
Geforce 4200+(The New Faster 4200's with AGP 8x Support) or A Radeon 9000 or 9500
Pair of 120 GB Drives, perfect or RAID Stripping
And all the various accessorys you could want

$500 is the limit though, if you have less than that, don't bother talking to me unless I or one like me built your computer with overhead built in.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-01 07:26am

Well, that's about 2500 including stuff like a 21" flat screen monitor and 4.1 sound. It's a 1.3 GHz, 256 MB RAM, and 40 GB HD.

Utsanomiko's comp is practically a monster, though. XP Pro, 5.1 sound (with a subwoofer bigger slightly bigger than his CPU), 2.8 GHz, Radeon 9700 card, 120 GB HD, 512 MB RAM, and a whole bunch of other shit.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-02-01 07:30am

Mr Bean wrote: $500 is the limit though, if you have less than that, don't bother talking to me unless I or one like me built your computer with overhead built in.

Do you really need the bleeding edge? I always waited until the next
gen of CPUs came out, and then bought the oldest one...

When Pentium IIs came out, I bought the last Pentium 223 MMX CPU,
when Pentium IIIs came out, I brought the Pentium II 450....

etc etc.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-01 07:35am

Mr Bean wrote:Face it kid, unless you had me or one of the other OC generation of Computer users build your previous computer, your not gonna get shit for upgrades under $300 simply because you have to many incompatabilitys along the way, Hell there are still a great majority of fokes(19%) who still don't even have standered ATX Cases yet! And Case is the one thing aside from monitors and drives you can easily resuse over and over agian.

Get around $900 then we can talk
With $900 you can have today

AMD 2000XP
512-Megs of DDR-3200 Ram
Geforce 4200+(The New Faster 4200's with AGP 8x Support) or A Radeon 9000 or 9500
Pair of 120 GB Drives, perfect or RAID Stripping
And all the various accessorys you could want

$500 is the limit though, if you have less than that, don't bother talking to me unless I or one like me built your computer with overhead built in.

I must remember never to read computer threads when under the influence of the cold brown fizzy.

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-01 07:38am

MKSheppard wrote:
Mr Bean wrote: $500 is the limit though, if you have less than that, don't bother talking to me unless I or one like me built your computer with overhead built in.
Do you really need the bleeding edge? I always waited until the next
gen of CPUs came out, and then bought the oldest one...

When Pentium IIs came out, I bought the last Pentium 223 MMX CPU,
when Pentium IIIs came out, I brought the Pentium II 450....

etc etc.

This is what most bussiness do, and its what most people do. A bog standard machine will run most games, and just about everything else, providing it has a competent graphics card, bleeding edge is simply not nessary all the time.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-01 07:45am

You don't buy last generation either, When the PII's came out and you bought that MX could you upgrade on the cheap a few months later? No... You needed a new Motherboard to use the PIIs

Likewise you don't need the bleeding edge but take this for example

Well, that's about 2500 including stuff like a 21" flat screen monitor and 4.1 sound. It's a 1.3 GHz, 256 MB RAM, and 40 GB HD.

Expesnive when it came out but I could build it for $1100 today(Minus the twenty one incher)

Just checking the various website for $1100 I can get
P4 2.8Ghtz
512 MB of Ram
Pair of 120 Gb 8MB Cachel Wester Digiatal Hard-Drives
Windows 2k
Radeon 9700
Motherboard+400 Watt Power-supply and any case you wanted under $140
The newest Plextor CD Rewriter and DVD Drive
Sound Blasters's AG2, Preminum will cost you $40 extra unless you get a cheaper case
Basicly any 5.1 Setup out there
Should be able to easily play any game out there and built with bleeding edge parts and under $1,500

Thats the diffrence between your avarage OEM and your avarage OC builder who works for just you
The OEM can kick our ass on price at the Low-End, We can kick thiers at the Mid and Escpilly High End Price Ranges

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-02-01 07:59am

Mr Bean wrote:You don't buy last generation either, When the PII's came out and you bought that MX could you upgrade on the cheap a few months later? No... You needed a new Motherboard to use the PIIs

Does it really matter? There was no real big speed diff between the
PII 233Mhz and the Pentium 233MMX, and those early Pentium II
mobos couldn't take the later marks of Pentium IIs....so you'd have
to change your mobo anyway to get a real speed diff

Stuart Mackey · Post by **Stuart Mackey** » 2003-02-01 08:12am

MKSheppard wrote:
Mr Bean wrote:You don't buy last generation either, When the PII's came out and you bought that MX could you upgrade on the cheap a few months later? No... You needed a new Motherboard to use the PIIs
Does it really matter? There was no real big speed diff between the
PII 233Mhz and the Pentium 233MMX, and those early Pentium II
mobos couldn't take the later marks of Pentium IIs....so you'd have
to change your mobo anyway to get a real speed diff

No it does not matter. You buy a system for what you want it to do and what you can afford for it to do, any thing else is a waste of time and money.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-02-01 08:26am

Does it really matter? There was no real big speed diff between the
PII 233Mhz and the Pentium 233MMX, and those early Pentium II
mobos couldn't take the later marks of Pentium IIs....so you'd have
to change your mobo anyway to get a real speed diff

Not quite, If you bought stupided of course you had to buy yet another motherboard, However if you put some thought into it, thats over $100 Saved

The diffrence is between buying two generations back and buying one is that for a little extra money you save yourself a TON of it down the road

Why do people buy insurance? At its base level to spend a little money to save alot down the road

Vertigo1 · Post by **Vertigo1** » 2003-02-01 04:57pm

Stuart Mackey wrote: No it does not matter. You buy a system for what you want it to do and what you can afford for it to do, any thing else is a waste of time and money.

That is by far the smartest thing said in this entire thread.

Pu-239: What do you plan on doing with your comp? Playing games, 3D rendering, or just surfing the net?