T:SCC 2x08: "Mr Ferguson is Ill Today"

[Thanas]

Argh - ghetto edit: I was replying to NecronLord, if that was not clear from my post.

[charlemagne]

In a more modern conception, I wouldn't expect the machines to have super-wank infiltrators made of jizz-metal in the early stages of the war. As of T3, Skynet's air units can be destroyed by an AK 47.

They didn't have super-wank units right from the start even in T1, Kyle said that models before Ahnuld had rubber skin and were easily spotted. I just realize that this doesn't tell us anything about how those rubber robots were armoured, though.

[Losonti Tokash]

What the hell do you think the Resistance fights Skynet with during the early stages of the war? Were you under the impression that Africa and South America were awash in laser rifles or something?

For a start, this is exactly what the evidence says, at least regarding the original, pre-T2 timeline. The plasguns used by the resistance were described in the novel as Westinghouse M-25s, and were made for human military useage prior to Judgement Day.

You're missing the point. First off, we're clearly not in a pre-T2 timeline here, since it's 10 years after the original Judgment Day. Second, the vast majority of the industrialized world's military was completely obliterated when Skynet flipped its shit, and I don't think that the US was selling tons and tons of plasma rifles to third-world countries anyway. Third, going by the T2 novels, all the plasma rifles were Skynet made and the ones the Resistance had were scavenged from dead terminators. Everyone else had to make do with high caliber conventional firearms and explosives.

[Faqa]

I'll give this episode a 4. Yes, Chrome Artie deserves a more epic death than he got, but the trap was still pretty clever(although he should have hightailed it out of there when he realized John wasn't there). Also, nice to see you can ruin a Termie's shit with weapons smaller than a .50 caliber.

What brings the grade up is the heavy emphasis on John and Riley in this episode. I've always liked this subplot, since it allows us to see a side of John that he can't show around his 'family', and it's just plain fun to watch. Plus Riley's flippant attitude towards... everything fun to watch. She's a breath of fresh air in a show of GRIMDARK. Cameron's comic relief only goes so far.

Also, I applaud the show for keeping romance out of it. At least blatantly. I would like it even more if they WERE in a relationship, and it required no acknowledgement on-screen outside of a throwaway line. It would be a slightly more adult way to treat the matter. After all, does it MATTER in terms of plot how close they are? She's his connection to John Baum, either way, and he's going to be stupid about preserving it.

As for Cameron, I liked the low-key acknowledgement of her development. She might have suffered a reset in the past(or maybe in the S2 premiere), but she's clearly getting more emotional as the series goes on, and her outburst in the police station acknowledges that. Although I still fail to see the point of her taking off her jacket before talking to John. While she is obviously perfectly aware of his romanticisation of her, I doubt any of it is on a purely physical level. Sex appeal is NOT what would help her manipulate him. Unless she was planning to, ah, offer distracting services to him. A legitimate tactic, but I doubt it would work on John at this point in time. He's not THAT delusional, and she would lose any respect she'd gained in his eyes from trying it. Never forget that John is not a typical stupid teenage boy. He's an atypical stupid teenage boy....

Bah. I'll write that off as playing for the promos.

Lena Heady continues to act beautifully and be written well. Although seriously - one of these days, a Terminator chasing her son is just going to KILL her and be done with it. This is what, four times(T-1000, S1 Cromartie, Cameron and S2 Cromartie) a Terminator has had John Conner's protector in his power and not killed the asset? It's getting a bit stupid.

Ellison's plot was a bit boring, as it consisted of tagging along behind the Connors. He can take a week off. Hope Weaver and her daughter are back next week.

[NecronLord]

^T3 is not canon when discussing T:SCC.

Says who?

So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it’s an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone’s intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

They are not the same timeline, but they are part of the same universe. T3 is explicitly averted by character actions in the pilot of SCC, but it is referenced. Physical laws that apply to one, apply to the other. There is reason to assume that the terminators in SCC are coming from a post T3 timeline, given their knowledge of the events of that timeline.

T3 remains the most comprehensive and reliable depiction of what machines Skynet had at its disposal in its early days.

Even pandering to you and discounting T3, I rather doubt you're actually going to claim that early-Skynet could produce anything even remotely like a T-800 endoskeleton or a T-1000.

You're missing the point. First off, we're clearly not in a pre-T2 timeline here, since it's 10 years after the original Judgment Day.

Yes. And we don't know when plasma rifles are meant to be created in this timeline, either. In T3 we can certainly say they probably didn't exist immediately, but we can just as happily point out that the first generation of Skynet's machines were... not remotely comparable to later designs.

Second, the vast majority of the industrialized world's military was completely obliterated when Skynet flipped its shit,

Source?

and I don't think that the US was selling tons and tons of plasma rifles to third-world countries anyway.

Evidently they sold enough.

Third, going by the T2 novels, all the plasma rifles were Skynet made and the ones the Resistance had were scavenged from dead terminators. Everyone else had to make do with high caliber conventional firearms and explosives.

No. Going by S.M.Sterling's T2 novels (Incidentally, in these, the resistance reverse engineer and manufacture plasma weapons; they don't all come out of the hands of a terminator). Going by the novellisation, and various other pieces of flosam produced, there's no evidence for that.

What's more, I see you have completely ignored my point that immediately post Judgement Day, Skynet was not deploying its full on terminators made out of techno-jizm. Good to see you have the effrontery to accuse me of missing the point when you deliberately chose not to answer mine.

[Losonti Tokash]

Yes. And we don't know when plasma rifles are meant to be created in this timeline, either. In T3 we can certainly say they probably didn't exist immediately, but we can just as happily point out that the first generation of Skynet's machines were... not remotely comparable to later designs.

I'm not sure how saying that Skynet's initial machines were vulnerable to bullets contradicts my saying that the Resistance initially used conventional firearms against them.

Second, the vast majority of the industrialized world's military was completely obliterated when Skynet flipped its shit,

Source?

That was me assuming that when Skynet launches the entire US strategic arsenal and provokes a similar response from Russia and China, that Skynet and the humans would probably be targeting military installations as well. Obviously, not everything was destroyed, especially not in unaffiliated or "worthless" countries like those in South America and Africa.

and I don't think that the US was selling tons and tons of plasma rifles to third-world countries anyway.

Evidently they sold enough.

Fair enough.

No. Going by S.M.Sterling's T2 novels (Incidentally, in these, the resistance reverse engineer and manufacture plasma weapons; they don't all come out of the hands of a terminator). Going by the novellisation, and various other pieces of flosam produced, there's no evidence for that.

Are those the ones with the infiltrator models building T-800s from scratch? I haven't read those in a long time and was going off of the John Connor Chronicles series, so my mistake.

What's more, I see you have completely ignored my point that immediately post Judgement Day, Skynet was not deploying its full on terminators made out of techno-jizm. Good to see you have the effrontery to accuse me of missing the point when you deliberately chose not to answer mine.

Because it's not relevant? I'm not arguing that all Skynet forces have been immune to bullets forever or something, I was saying the exact opposite. I don't even know what point you're trying to make in relation to mine.

[Thanas]

^T3 is not canon when discussing T:SCC.

Says who?

So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it’s an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone’s intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

They are not the same timeline, but they are part of the same universe. T3 is explicitly averted by character actions in the pilot of SCC, but it is referenced. Physical laws that apply to one, apply to the other. There is reason to assume that the terminators in SCC are coming from a post T3 timeline, given their knowledge of the events of that timeline.

Well, why don't you put up the full quote of that interview?

IGN TV: Are you working within the continuity of the Terminator movies, specifically Terminator 3?

Friedman: We're gonna go off on our own. I think the thing about T3 is, obviously there was just no Sarah Connor and that's something the fans were never happy with. I don't even think the people who made T3 were happy with that. It just wasn't a choice of theirs. You know, Linda Hamilton was going through some things and didn't want to be a part of it. They had a script at one point I know; there was a T3 that had Sarah in it. I've never read it. I don't know anything about it. But I know that they did and they wanted to do that. They wanted it to be kind of her trilogy, and it never could be. So I think that my feeling was this TV series to me sort of serves as the third act to that trilogy - what could have happened had we followed that after T2. So I almost think of this as T3. To me it takes the place of T3. But also I think that sort of in the spirit of Terminator, it's an alternate timeline. I know a lot of people get very worked up about the continuity and the canon and all that stuff. What I try to do is stay very, very true to the first two movies and then sort of take it from there. But always remain true to the spirit of everyone's intent and again, take some time with this woman and explore what maybe would have happened.

So yes, you are correct that the laws of physics apply. But it is quite clear that the primary sources are T1 and T2, whereas T3 is replaced by S:CC. Alternate timeline means just that - it is an alternate timeline. I do not really believe you can take events happening in T3 and then argue things on T:SCC from a T3 perspective. For example, the best Skynet has at its deposal is T-888 and T-1000, no T-X.

Even pandering to you and discounting T3, I rather doubt you're actually going to claim that early-Skynet could produce anything even remotely like a T-800 endoskeleton or a T-1000.

Of course not, and I never did make such a claim.

[NecronLord]

I'm not sure how saying that Skynet's initial machines were vulnerable to bullets contradicts my saying that the Resistance initially used conventional firearms against them.

You were using this idea to suggest that it's unreasonable to dislike the destruction of Cromartie with such weapons because that's what the Resistance would have been using. When in fact there's no evidence to suggest they ever used such weapons successfully against full on terminators.

That was me assuming that when Skynet launches the entire US strategic arsenal and provokes a similar response from Russia and China, that Skynet and the humans would probably be targeting military installations as well. Obviously, not everything was destroyed, especially not in unaffiliated or "worthless" countries like those in South America and Africa.

Yes. Military installations would be targetted. That doesn't mean they'd all be destroyed. For a start, whatever portion of the USN that was at sea would survive. Same with other countries.

Are those the ones with the infiltrator models building T-800s from scratch? I haven't read those in a long time and was going off of the John Connor Chronicles series, so my mistake.

That's the ones.

Because it's not relevant? I'm not arguing that all Skynet forces have been immune to bullets forever or something, I was saying the exact opposite. I don't even know what point you're trying to make in relation to mine.

My original point was that I dislike (note, dislike; not claim should be impossible) the destruction of Cromartie, because it will pretty much remove all threat from T-888s in the future. Now Cameron can just walk up, and put the bastards down. In the future, if they're ever a threat again, it will be jarring.

Of course, this is a tendancy that's been happening quite a bit this season. The 'pretzelator' being an egregious example.

That's, in fact, my main gripe with recent episodes. The Terminators are too destructable. Cromartie's destruction of Ellison-duplicate was particularly bad. While I understand that it's probably not practical to do long slug-fests like T2's fights in every episode, I'd rather the average antagonist terminator was treated with more respect; the destruction of one with a .50 cal was much better
for my money.

Well, why don't you put up the full quote of that interview?

Space. Note that I put up a sizeable part, including some of what you bolded.

So yes, you are correct that the laws of physics apply. But it is quite clear that the primary sources are T1 and T2, whereas T3 is replaced by S:CC. Alternate timeline means just that - it is an alternate timeline.

Just like the mirror universe in Star Trek is an "alternate timeline." Different events happen. Didn't stop Spock throwing mirror-Kirk in the brig though, did it? There is similar capacity for interaction here, given that terminators don't vanish in a puff of causality when the future is changed.

I do not really believe you can take events happening in T3 and then argue things on T:SCC from a T3 perspective. For example, the best Skynet has at its deposal is T-888 and T-1000, no T-X.

What makes you think that?

I would be quite unsurprised to see one show up eventually if the show runs long enough.

[Shroom Man 777]

Yes. Military installations would be targetted. That doesn't mean they'd all be destroyed. For a start, whatever portion of the USN that was at sea would survive. Same with other countries.

If all stealth bombers became unmanned and fly with an operational record, it's quite possible that a lot of the USN would have automated systems as well. Maybe Skynet could pull a Russian Navy and kill the USN with fire-extinguishers.

So yes, you are correct that the laws of physics apply. But it is quite clear that the primary sources are T1 and T2, whereas T3 is replaced by S:CC. Alternate timeline means just that - it is an alternate timeline. I do not really believe you can take events happening in T3 and then argue things on T:SCC from a T3 perspective. For example, the best Skynet has at its deposal is T-888 and T-1000, no T-X.

I'm afraid I must agree with NecronLord here, buddy. Cameron altered the timeline and shat on T3 by doing that whole time jump, in which the biggest divergence is that Sarah is totally not dead of cancer. But aside from that, how many divergences are there? Okay, the US Military doesn't have a "Cyber Research Systems" or something, but that doesn't totally erase all the aspects of T3... the military could still have research on those UCAV HKs. Why can't they have prototype UCAV HKs? Even if they don't, those things are still a fair approximation of the 1st generation machines Skynet uses against the humans and that's what NecronLord is sayings.

[FireNexus]

Cameron's info stated that Sarah died of cancer in '05, a year or so after Judgement day occured in the T3 timeline. In T3, she died immediately following the original judgement day in 1997, 2 years prior to the beginning of series.

The T3 timeline wasn't going to go down in this continuity from all of the information we have available, even without Cameron's actions.

[His Divine Shadow]

I'll give this episode a 4. Yes, Chrome Artie deserves a more epic death than he got, but the trap was still pretty clever(although he should have hightailed it out of there when he realized John wasn't there). Also, nice to see you can ruin a Termie's shit with weapons smaller than a .50 caliber.

Technically a 12ga shotgun has a caliber of .76 or something, so it's pretty huge. Especially if it was a supermagnum shotgun that can take 3.5" shells, which is a distinct possibility as the shotgun was a Remington 870 and they can come in that configuration.

[Shroom Man 777]

That's the 11-87, HDS. But thanks for pointing me at the right direction, I was going crazy identifying what kind of gun Robot River used. It's got HUEG 3 inch long 12ga magnum round.

12 gauge Magnum shells are even worse. A 2 3/4 inch Magnum shell throwing 1 1/2 ounces of shot at 1260 fps from a 7.5 pound shotgun belts the shooter with 45.9 ft. lbs. of recoil, somewhat more than the recoil of a typical .375 H&H Magnum rifle shooting 300 grain factory loads! And the 3 inch Magnum 12 gauge shell firing 1 7/8 ounces of shot at a MV of 1210 fps in that same 7.5 pound shotgun slams the shooter with over 60 ft. lbs. of recoil energy. This is equivalent to the recoil of a .378 Weatherby Magnum rifle, and exceeds the recoil of a typical .458 Winchester Magnum rifle. This is literally recoil in the elephant gun class, and most shooters would be well advised to avoid such loads.

From heres.

I've been watching Cromartie's demise over and over and OVER AND OVER again and I realized something. Cameron wasn't just shooting INTO Cromartie's eye, but she was hitting the structurally weak and thinner armor of his temple - that spot to the side and outside the eye. It's a thin piece of armor and that's why we see a part of Cromartie's face come off, because she exploited that structural weakspot ruthlessly. Well, her aim was to shoot INTO Cromartie's eye because by shooting through the eye, she gets to the juicy spots inside Cromartie's skull, but her shots also managed to hit the temple, the side of the head. Maybe her rounds hit from the inside, so she really did blow Cromartie's brains inside out...

Damn. Cameron's just like Jason Bourne. Jason Bourne kills equally dangerous assassins with mundane stuff like newspapers and magazines, pens and phone cords and toasters. In Cameron's case, her novelty killings include "mundane" stuff like heavy shotguns, traffic lights (for Vick), and Pretzelations. She's dangerous and there's a bloody reason why she's one of John Connor's most trusted agent - aside from the fact that she's a Terminator model that can swallow.


And I really like the fact that Cameron defended John when Sarah said that he wasn't listening, and when Derek said that John needed to get his head in the game. In the latter case, she knew John was screwing up but she made excuses for him, telling Derek that John forgot to ask because Derek doesn't hang out at the house anymore. She totally and subtly changed topics, leading to Derek complaining about not having a bed and stuff.

I don't think she was trying to emotionally manipulate John with her breasts, either. In The Tower Is Tall, she was reading that pamphlet and wondering about John and now she's asking him why he's doing these things - she's genuinely curious and she's also the only one who's bothering to talk to John. Sure, she's showing off her boobies and getting uncomfortably close, perhaps trying to make it easier for her to get a response from John, but she's a robot and she's totally inept and silly when it comes to these things, so we can at least give her an E for effort.

Robot Rivers!

I also love the curious expression she had when Cromartie was dead but still standing. She's totally like that when it came to Vick's chip too... she was looking at it a lot, wasn't she (when she was writing that letters)? She did so for Pretzel's chip too... Curious Cameron!

[charlemagne]

I've been watching Cromartie's demise over and over and OVER AND OVER again and I realized something. Cameron wasn't just shooting INTO Cromartie's eye, but she was hitting the structurally weak and thinner armor of his temple - that spot to the side and outside the eye. It's a thin piece of armor and that's why we see a part of Cromartie's face come off, because she exploited that structural weakspot ruthlessly. Well, her aim was to shoot INTO Cromartie's eye because by shooting through the eye, she gets to the juicy spots inside Cromartie's skull, but her shots also managed to hit the temple, the side of the head. Maybe her rounds hit from the inside, so she really did blow Cromartie's brains inside out...

I'm starting to wonder why Skynet built Terminators like this. The head is the weak spot of humans, with the brain and easy access to it through the eyes, but hell, why build your infiltrating killing machines the same way? They just have to look like humans, not adapt the same principles. Is there a real reason why you would put the cpu/chip right behind the structural weakness the eyeholes pose even in an armored metal skull? Wouldn't it be far better to put the cpu/chip deep inside the torso which can be better and more heavily armored than the skull without losing the human form? The chip isn't very big, there should be enough space to cram it in.

[Shroom Man 777]

I don't know... why do living organisms have their brains in their heads, anyway? If my brain was inside my chest, and my heart was in my skull...

Would putting the CPU in the head near the eyes improve the speed with which sensor signals reach the CPU, thus improving reaction times? Or is that a non-factor since unlike us, with our organic nervous system, the machine's sensor signals travel much faster than ours so a brain in the head and a brain in a foot have negligible differences? Maybe the chest, with the whole power core, is too hot for the CPU? Plus there are hydraulics and lots of moving part in the chest, and the chest is where most enemy fire will be concentrated on. The body is a bigger target than the head.

The eyesocket weakspot is something only remarkably accurate opponents can exploit. In this case, it's a Robot River. Previously, it was a Derek Reese with a sniper rifle.

In the Future War, where Terminators routinely expect to be shot at by people possessing weapons that can kill them and where they expect to be targeted by Resistance fighters in ambush points and other advantageous positions, the machines will fight differently than in the past. In the past, our present, Terminators do NOT expect to be confronted by people who expect them and who possess the relatively rare (for the timeline) means to kill them - that's why we see them walking along willy-nilly and wading into normally ineffective gunfire. This makes them easy target for prepared adversaries.

They don't expect to be targeted by Resistance fighters. There are exceptions, like Vick, he was sent to protect a Skynet asset and so he knew they were there and he was able to ascertain their threat and he ended up killing them with their pants down - he snuck up into their safehouse and killed them. He killed them because he KNEW they were there, and he ambushed them. He didn't wade into gunfire, he didn't walk around willy-nilly, the humans were the ones who got outsmarted. In the future, when they routinely combat sneaky Resistance soldiers, I imagine Terminators regularly do this kind of thing, like killing people in their sleep when they don't stand a chance or a whimper.

Vick wasn't expecting a Terminator though, namely Robot River, to ruin his shit. Confronted with un-expected threats, Terminators either adapt or die like anyone else. Unfortunately, Teminators aren't as flexible as human beings. But if they're properly briefed, if they know what to expect or have a reasonable idea, then they're NOT going down easy.

[Vympel]

In the Future War, where Terminators routinely expect to be shot at by people possessing weapons that can kill them and where they expect to be targeted by Resistance fighters in ambush points and other advantageous positions, the machines will fight differently than in the past. In the past, our present, Terminators do NOT expect to be confronted by people who expect them and who possess the relatively rare (for the timeline) means to kill them - that's why we see them walking along willy-nilly and wading into normally ineffective gunfire. This makes them easy target for prepared adversaries.

They do that in the future too. They march forward with no thought for cover and concealment in the opening of T2 like any silly battle droid.

[charlemagne]

Would putting the CPU in the head near the eyes improve the speed with which sensor signals reach the CPU, thus improving reaction times? Or is that a non-factor since unlike us, with our organic nervous system, the machine's sensor signals travel much faster than ours so a brain in the head and a brain in a foot have negligible differences? Maybe the chest, with the whole power core, is too hot for the CPU? Plus there are hydraulics and lots of moving part in the chest, and the chest is where most enemy fire will be concentrated on. The body is a bigger target than the head.

I don't think that a few centimeters of cable would produce enough "sensor lag" to matter, the information is basically travelling at light speed. I mean yeah, there's people who believe that speaker cables for your home stereo have to be exactly the same length for every speaker, but this really only matters if you put one speaker next to you and the other on the moon

The heat theory I can live with though.

And by the way, Chromartie has to have sensors somewhere else than the head anyways, because how the hell would his body go about walking to his head if he didn't

[Anguirus]

They do that in the future too. They march forward with no thought for cover and concealment in the opening of T2 like any silly battle droid.

Flimsy justification: they appeared to be advancing quickly alongside armored units.

Probable real reason: limited range of motion on the set since they were all animatronic.

[Shroom Man 777]

Two minutes of the next episode.

Sarah is going NUTS!

[Paradox]

I think since Skynet had to quickly start building Infiltrator units, and HK's, and somewhere it managed to get "detailed files on human anatomy" it would base its units on what it knew. Why start from scratch when you have a decently designed system in front of you?

The CPU stands in for the brain, the nervous system can stem out from there, and the "heart" is the power supply.

Besides, if the head gets blown off, you lose visual sensors, so the CPU may as well be destroyed as well.

Now I'm not trying to make shit up, but I could have sworn I saw or heard in an official podcast that T-888's are suppose to have triple redundant CPU's, so Chromartie might be back....

I hope he is though, he was actually an interesting character, and had his funny moments, like tossing Jody out of the car for talking too much.

[Peptuck]

Two minutes of the next episode.

Holy symbolism, Batman!

Not to mention the implication that Spoiler

Sarah is apparently viewing Cameron now as much of a maternal figure as she is.

[Shroom Man 777]

The three chips for T-888s has been overriden. I mean, in the episodes we've seen Cameron deal with T-888s by taking out their only chip. Cameron doesn't mention multiple chips and she's the expert Terminator Hunter, so that's that.

[Thanas]

Cameron's info stated that Sarah died of cancer in '05, a year or so after Judgement day occured in the T3 timeline. In T3, she died immediately following the original judgement day in 1997, 2 years prior to the beginning of series.

The T3 timeline wasn't going to go down in this continuity from all of the information we have available, even without Cameron's actions.

Thank you for that.

So yes, you are correct that the laws of physics apply. But it is quite clear that the primary sources are T1 and T2, whereas T3 is replaced by S:CC. Alternate timeline means just that - it is an alternate timeline. I do not really believe you can take events happening in T3 and then argue things on T:SCC from a T3 perspective. For example, the best Skynet has at its deposal is T-888 and T-1000, no T-X.

I'm afraid I must agree with NecronLord here, buddy. Cameron altered the timeline and shat on T3 by doing that whole time jump, in which the biggest divergence is that Sarah is totally not dead of cancer. But aside from that, how many divergences are there?

Fire Nexus highlighted one big difference - the timeline is not consistent with T3 in any way possible. So these were different timelines in any case, and the resistance from the future does not come from a post T-3 timeline. They are completely different realities. Look, I'll try to get an official word on this after the production of S:CC has wrapped up for the season. Any info they would be able to give me at the moment would probably contain spoilers and since this site shows up on Google...

The three chips for T-888s has been overriden. I mean, in the episodes we've seen Cameron deal with T-888s by taking out their only chip. Cameron doesn't mention multiple chips and she's the expert Terminator Hunter, so that's that.

They have three CPUs but only one chip AFAIK. They can be remote controlled by the one chip they have.

[Shroom Man 777]

We know the T:SCC guys are ignoring T3 almost altogether, but does that discount the fact that the machines in T3 are the fairest and closest approximations of Skynet's first-ever Hunter Killers? Come on, that's just nitpicking. What's so hard about imagining Skynet's first-ever HKs to be killier-versions of modern day UCAVs and gun-drones with dual gatling guns for arms?

[charlemagne]

We know the T:SCC guys are ignoring T3 almost altogether, but does that discount the fact that the machines in T3 are the fairest and closest approximations of Skynet's first-ever Hunter Killers? Come on, that's just nitpicking. What's so hard about imagining Skynet's first-ever HKs to be killier-versions of modern day UCAVs and gun-drones with dual gatling guns for arms?

I could understand the flying things, they were just smaller versions of the pew-pew-laser-ships we've already seen in T1 & 2. But the "gun-drones" just looked plain stupid. They weren't even properly armored, I can't imagine any military who'd build such things and plan on really deploy them anywhere.