The mold for World Unification

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-01-31 10:01pm

Here is the scenario. All the citizens of the world get together and decide to chosse ONE country as their template for the government that will run the world. Who should it be? Take into account factors like required military service (if any), taxes and health care. I have a suspicion as to how this will turn out, but I'm curious.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-31 10:16pm

United States

To many idiotic/Useless Laws, The RIAA

Canada

Even more Redicilious Restrive laws in places, Fragmented Parilment(IMO Three Partys system tops not fifteen)

Great Britain

Dumb ass stance on Military Spending and Personal Freedom, Even More Splintered than Canada

France

*Takes Deep Breath

Funny funny, But no

Germany

I know next to nothing about German's Goverment, Unable to comment

Russia

They have yet to even get their own act togther let alone dictate world goverment

China

Were-Communism, Thanks but no thanks

Japan

Unable to Comment

South Africa

Unable to comment

India

Makes the UK look like a One party system the Partys are so fragmented in India

Personaly I don't think any of these are fit to rule the world, We must look at the Smaller Nations

Prehaps Amsterdamns Libritianrian-Do what you want, when you want, as long as its in your home and only to yourself

Switzerland would be an excellent example of Military done right, Unless you have to do somthing outside the Nation

A Combo Goverment would be best, Take the Swiss Stand on the Military, Combine it with the UK Stance on use(As The US could be called slightly to much) US Econmics combined with Armsterdamn/Swiss Laws and a Texas willingness to use the Death Penlity

In the end we would have
A Country with a Tough Series of Laws on Criminals with no heistation for the truely evil to get whats coming to them
The Nation would have a 100% Enlistment Rate, but only for one year
(Five month basic training plus some Civilian guard work) with the best and brightest wooed back in
With US sized spending on toys and US ecnomey backing it up, Absent the jackpot justice system. and protective tariffs

So all in all a Country ready and able to defend itself but pretty unwilling to go anywhere else

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-01-31 10:20pm

None of them would work, and neither would a world government. Even design a new gov from the ground up would fail, the unity would rapidly fragment and the guns would come out of hiding.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-01 12:59am

US Bill of Rights, and Constitution, Canadian Health Care but with a little more cash going to doctors than it is up there, Western European Education and laws regarding the workplace. Mexican Drinking ages, Dutch drug laws.

And it still wont work.............

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-01 01:03am

Only way a world government would work IMO is if we opened relations with alien races.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-01 01:05am

The United States.....

...under the Articles of Confederation, of course. No powerful central world government, just a weak one working to encourage cooperation and friendship among all the world's nations.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-01 01:08am

Durran Korr wrote:The United States.....

...under the Articles of Confederation, of course. No powerful central world government, just a weak one working to encourage cooperation and friendship among all the world's nations.

Just like the United Nations.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-01 01:09am

Shinova wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:The United States.....

...under the Articles of Confederation, of course. No powerful central world government, just a weak one working to encourage cooperation and friendship among all the world's nations.

Just like the United Nations.

No, even less power than the U.N..

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 01:09am

Shinova wrote:Only way a world government would work IMO is if we opened relations with alien races.

And then declared war on them.... Perhapes

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-02-01 02:08am

Defiant wrote:Here is the scenario. All the citizens of the world get together and decide to chosse ONE country as their template for the government that will run the world. Who should it be? Take into account factors like required military service (if any), taxes and health care. I have a suspicion as to how this will turn out, but I'm curious.

Look, there's never going to be a practical world government. The best we can hope for is a large number of nation-states, all of which are representative democracies. Even then, cultural differences and sheer paranoia and tradition will prevent their unification, and there wouldn't be world peace, as these countries would fight over those same differences, and over things like water rights, boundaries, valuable food production land, and simple nationalistic fervour.

World Peace is illusory.

Even if such a government were possible it would be a very loose confederation at first, and no modern government would compare to it; they're all far too centralized.

What you're really asking - well, I'm guessing this - is which of those governments is "better" than the others, and those more suited for the task of being a model in theory.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-02-01 02:25am

A world government would never work ou but I choose the United States to counter all those crazy Canadians that seems to think that their nation is the best one in the world. IF we were to open relations with multiple alien civilizations that is roughly our technological level then it COULD happen, or if we were to go to war with a alien civilization as we would be united in a common cause. The problem is that opening relations with aliens that would lead to that would require FTL travel, and them being at roughly the same technological level as we are and the chances of that is near zilch and even if it wasn't the problem of no FTL travel would void that.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-02-01 03:15am

ArmorPierce wrote:A world government would never work ou but I choose the United States to counter all those crazy Canadians that seems to think that their nation is the best one in the world. IF we were to open relations with multiple alien civilizations that is roughly our technological level then it COULD happen, or if we were to go to war with a alien civilization as we would be united in a common cause. The problem is that opening relations with aliens that would lead to that would require FTL travel, and them being at roughly the same technological level as we are and the chances of that is near zilch and even if it wasn't the problem of no FTL travel would void that.

Why do you think we'd have a world government if we contacted alien civilizations? We'd just conduct relations with them in the same way we do with other nation-states. Each nation-state would have its own colonies, ruled from what would be essentially an administrative and industrial heartland on Earth. It would be no different than the colonial era on Earth when Britain could rule vast swathes of the globe from a few tiny islands in the Atlantic.

Likewise, if aliens attacked us, any unification would be a temporary alliance, and would probably in reality, if not nominally, disinclude many powers. It would be like the Greeks during the Persian Wars, not instant world unification.

The fanciful idea of exterrestrial contact somehow forcing us closer together is quite silly in my mind. If it's on a scale we can deal with, we wouldn't change our mode of operations because that's how humans are, and we'd do just fine.

If it isn't on a scale we can deal with, we'd face an incomprehendable thing, it would do something incomprehendable to us, and any unified organization would be pointless.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-01 12:15pm

Use the model for the Imperial Government in SW. Que up the Imperial March...

Actually something like the US under the Articles of Confederation would probably work best.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 12:22pm

paladin wrote:Use the model for the Imperial Government in SW. Que up the Imperial March...

Actually something like the US under the Articles of Confederation would probably work best.

And wouldn't have any real point. One or two Treaties would give the world everything the Articles could, and skip the pointless powerless central goverment part.

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-01 12:23pm

Let us have an unified Europe spreading through Africa (Morocco), Asia (Turkey) and the Middle East (Israel) and we'll talk..

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 12:26pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:Let us have an unified Europe spreading through Africa (Morocco), Asia (Turkey) and the Middle East (Israel) and we'll talk..

COUGHcontradition in termsCOUGH COUGH

Post by **Colonel Olrik** » 2003-02-01 12:28pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:Let us have an unified Europe spreading through Africa (Morocco), Asia (Turkey) and the Middle East (Israel) and we'll talk..
COUGHcontradition in termsCOUGH COUGH

What? Some days ago, I saw in the newspapers a map of the 2020 possible Ubber E.U, with the next expansion and all.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-01 12:34pm

Absolute Monarchy, with my humble self as Omni-Tyrant in chief is the only clear solution to this.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-02-01 12:34pm

Colonel Olrik wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Colonel Olrik wrote:Let us have an unified Europe spreading through Africa (Morocco), Asia (Turkey) and the Middle East (Israel) and we'll talk..
COUGHcontradition in termsCOUGH COUGH

What? Some days ago, I've seen the map of the 2020 possible Ubber E.U, with the next expansion and all.

It's not going to happen. Russia is probably going to regain White Russia sooner rather than later (They've had on and off reunification talks for a while, and mutual paranoia over the EU will no doubt help give a nudge) after you big up your Eastern European States later this year, and the question will be which way the Ukraine goes after the Rumania-Bulgaria addition in '07, assuming that goes through.

You may never add the rest of the Balkans, which will not stay long in peace, and we'll see about Turkey.

You'd never get a stable and re-expanding Russia into the EU. Which it basically is, now, dramatic terrorist incidences aside. If Russia lures back in any of the Republics, furthermore, it'll also have more pieces of an otherwise very disjointed industry, so the effect on the Russian economy would be disproportionate. Unless, of course, they got to nuke Berlin as part of the arrangement - And garrison the Rhineland for good measure.

Falcon · Post by **Falcon** » 2003-02-01 12:35pm

I think some of you don't quite understand just how crappy the Articles were...

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 12:35pm

Frank Hipper wrote:Absolute Monarchy, with my humble self as Omni-Tyrant in chief is the only clear solution to this.

Perhaps as a vassal state of my God-Emperorship of all humanity and life.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-01 12:36pm

paladin wrote:Actually something like the US under the Articles of Confederation would probably work best.

Yes, and we all know how well that worked out...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-01 12:46pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:Absolute Monarchy, with my humble self as Omni-Tyrant in chief is the only clear solution to this.
Perhaps as a vassal state of my God-Emperorship of all humanity and life.

Quiet, you!

God Emperor · Post by **God Emperor** » 2003-02-01 01:06pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:Absolute Monarchy, with my humble self as Omni-Tyrant in chief is the only clear solution to this.
Perhaps as a vassal state of my God-Emperorship of all humanity and life.

Under you? I would work best, my name declares it.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 01:13pm

God Emperor wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:Absolute Monarchy, with my humble self as Omni-Tyrant in chief is the only clear solution to this.
Perhaps as a vassal state of my God-Emperorship of all humanity and life.
Under you? I would work best, my name declares it.

I don't have a problem with being held up as such a divine ruler I send God Emperors down to do my bidding.

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