[Stargate] Earth Swap

[Lord MJ]

The Ori are overrunning the Milky Way and that Ark of Truth never happens! The Ori have conquered almost the entire galaxy and only one final prize remains, Earth. With no hope of defeating the Ori an ambitious plan is launched to transport the entire planet into a parallel universe, swapping it with an Earth that was pulverized by the Goa'uld. The swap is successful and Earth is now in a new galaxy that is still controlled by the Goa'uld.

The humans have all of their ships and three ZPMs, they took the Atlantis ZPM before self destructing the city. They have the Asgard energy weapons. They most importantly have all the knowledge from the last 10 years of gate travel, but the galaxy is more or less the same as it was in season 1 of SG1

What happens next?

Do they go out and confront the Goa'uld?

Do they try to go to the Pegasus Galaxy?

Do they go public with the stargate program, revealing to the world that the Earth was transported into a parallel universe?

Or do they decide not to tempt fate again, terminate the Stargate program and bury the stargate?

[PREDATOR490]

If the jump between verses is seen then the Stargate program will be revealed pretty quickly without an extreme amount of work from the various nations to cover it up.
Revealing the Stargate Program will inturn expose the various adventures through reports etc. and the public reaction will be anywhere from denying another Stargate program to rioting across the globe. I imagine the countries not involved in the Stargate program will all quickly lobby to get a share and thus potentially start World War 3.
When and if the dust settles, whoever is left standing will then decide how Earth goes on. If it is people like the NID then you can expect them to go on a mass pillage of the galaxy for every piece of technology they know of wether it be Tolon Ion Cannons or Atlantis and leave the rest of the universe to burn if it suits them.
On the other hand, a new organisation might emerge like the Federation and thus begin the whole task of setting up Star Fleet to liberate the galaxies eventually.
In either case, the chances of Earth being able to get involved in galactic events is unlikely if they are involved in domestic wars for some time. By which time the Asgard are going to be dead and Anubis will potentially have gotten hold of the Dakara device in which case the entire galaxy is fucked. Not to mention the replicators descending upon the galaxy once they are done with the Asgard.

If the jump isnt noticed or properly covered up then it will just be back to the same old routine. I imagine Earth will get in touch with the Asgard, Tok'ra and Tolon so they can get a good set of allies quickly and offer them information in exchange for more technology etc. Of course with the future knowledge Earth has, they can use it to plot assassination attempts on the Goa'uld and take advantage of key events like going to Atlantis and not wake the Wraith. Get all the ZPMs and fully power Atlantis so they can fly it back and disect it while the galaxy goes unware. Wait until they build up a sizeable fleet of ships then go and rape the Milky Way powers then Pegasus and so on. By the time the Ori become an issue Earth should have a fleet of ships capable of defending themselves with little trouble.

[Lord MJ]

I would think that the humans will send a ship to destroy the Dakara device before Anubis even becomes an issue.

One wrinkle to consider is whether the Goa'uld glassed the previous Earth or if they occupied it. If they occupied it, I would imagine the Goa'uld would be pretty curious why one of their slave worlds was replaced with a thriving human civilization. They will send a fleet that would be promptly destroyed by the Chair Device and 304s equipped with Asgard lasers.

Would the Goa'uld have any chance against Earth at all?

[Bilbo]

Hard to say. At what point is Earth gone? Does Apophis destroy it while still a minor Goa'uld? In which case Earth didnt have much influence on the galaxy. Was Earth destroyed later after Apophis, Cronos, Sokar and others were destroyed?

Even without Earth one can assume that things were going to get really shaken up. Sokar was about to come on the scene and this might stat a major war or he might just get made the Supreme System Lord.

Also we do not know why Anubis appeared when he did. Maybe he had to wait for something that weakened the System Lords and took out Sokar. Without Earth this may not happen and Anubis may still be hanging out waiting for his chance. Or Anubis was just waiting till his forces were strong enough or for some unknown variable based on his being kicked out by the Ancients to happen. Maybe it took a certain amount of time for him to learn how to interact with our plane in his funky state.


One thing is certain. Earth sends a team to Atlantis and takes a ZPM with them. The city is powered from day one. The Wraith are not woken up early. Earth either mines Atlantis for knowledge safely at the bottom of the ocean or using its superior intel wanders the galaxy and tries to wipe out the Wraith while they are still sleeping.

One can also assume that the Asgard are gone. Without the help of Earth the replicators wipe them out. On the plus side though the replicators never find Reece and so never develop human forms. I base this on how long the Asgard were fighting the Replicators and they only created human forms after they found Reece when the Asgard used her body as part of their time trap.

The Tollan may still be around depending on if Anubis has reared his head.

Worst case scenario? Anubis and Sokar are fighting a huge bloody war and one side is using Earth and its massive population. When the Earths switch it is noticed immediatly and the Earth is quickly destroyed by sheer numbers.

Best case? Apophis conquered the Earth at the end of season 1. After nuking most of it he left a force of Jaffa behind and went back to his normal activities. When the Earth switch happens Apophis sends a few Jaffa expecting an uprising. They all die on the Iris. Apophis gets peeved and sends one or both of his motherships. They get wasted by Asgard upgraded 304's. Now the Earth is an unknown again and as long as they are quiet Earth can contact the Tollan, Tokra, etc without blundering along like they did last time.

[NecronLord]

Would the Goa'uld have any chance against Earth at all?

Naquadah asteroid with a bomb on it (unless the treaty forces them to try for deniability as they did in the canon) should do the trick...

[Bilbo]

Would the Goa'uld have any chance against Earth at all?

Naquadah asteroid with a bomb on it (unless the treaty forces them to try for deniability as they did in the canon) should do the trick...

Assuming the treaty even matters. Depending on when this Earth was defeated they may have never met the Asgard. Without the help of Earth do the Asgard even survive past season 3 or 4?

Though you might have something rather funny happen. The Asgard get destroyed by the Replicators say in the middle of season 3. But since they are seen so rarely by the Goa'uld it could be years or decades before they notice the Asgard are gone. The two do not seem to talk much. Basically the Asgard show up to slap someone down when they break the treaty. If the Goa'uld abide by the treaty then they have no reason to expect to see the Asgard which means they never notice that they are gone.

[KrauserKrauser]

Ok, here we go everybody, time for a major contribution. Episode by episode, skimming over invalidated ones.

Assuming as per the OT we are restarting in a fresh continutiy where events would take place approxiamately on teh same time schedule.

S1E1 Children of the Gods: The Goa'uld scouting party goes splat on the Iris. I'm guessing no further sorties would be made as they would continue to go splat on the Iris. Apophis would either assume the gate is blocked again and ignore it or send a ship. Since they know the conditions on Abydos, they can just fly over there in one of their ships and pick up Skaara, Sha're and an extra Daniel Jackson. Since they don't need to uncover their gate, Apophis would not be alerted to their presence either. Extra points for unrestricted access to the listing of all the gates. No need for an extra Teal'c as he would presumably be willing to convert later.

S1E2 The Enemy Within: I would say that we get an extra Kowalski, but as he is dead in OT Earth, this episode is moot.

S1E3 Emancipation: Waste time trying to enlighten transplanted Mongols? No, moving on...

S1E4 The Broca Divide: The cure is already available and there is no dire need to visit the planet again. Next.

S1E5 The First Commandment: Well presumably Captain Hansen is already dead or in custody. I guess the Goa'uld devices can be salvaged and the people left alone.

S1E6 The Cold Lazarus: I don't think there is anyway to save the Crystal people. If there is, and some benefit, other than pure humanitarianism, can be obtained, it might be worth a stop. They already know what the crystals can do and how to communicate with them.

S1E7 The Nox: While this is their first encounter with the higher species, they never really provide much in the way of help or information. Might want to go there to let them know what's up, but they are fairly staunchly non interventionist.

S1E8 Brief Candle: Go there again to watch Jack almost die? Pass. Maybe send a crate with the cure for the nano bots that restrict their age.

S1E9 Thor's Hammer: No need to destroy the hammer so I guess the inhabitants of the planet are happy. IIRC there was some sort of nasty Goa'uld in there, let him rot.

S1E10 Torment of Tantalus: Another piece of tech that can be salvaged. With the space ships not only can the old geezer be saved, but the database or information library can be salvaged. While they might already have the majority of the technologies from the Ancients and Asgard, having more data is always useful. Maybe they can find the Furlings with that! OMG FURLINGS!

S1E11 Bloodlines: Well if OT Teal'c wants to recruit New Timeline (NT) Teal'c this is the time to do it. It would require alerting Apophis to the presence of Earth forces so it's a judgement call. Seeing as they have the symbiote substitute, they can always delay again as there is no dire need for Teal'c x2.

S1E12 Fire and Water: Unless they believe this guy has some useful knowledge, they can pretty much ignore him. Sadly, he will never know "Wait Fate Amaroca?!?" Maybe trade him her fate for the "water wall" tech.

S1E13 Hathor: *Random South American Newspaper* Guerilla's Bomb Ancient Mayan Ruin! ** No need to wake the bitch, let her sleep. Or blow her up, my idea

S1E14 Singularity: Well, if they get to her planet early enough, they might be able to stop the plague from killing everyone. Then again, if they have avoided Apophis for this long, there might not be any plague to save NT Cassandra from. Let's add a column to the "Don't let anyone know what happened" column when deciding a course of action.

S1E15 Cor-Ai: Teal'c is already over his persecution complex. These people get invaded like bitches. Oh well, they were annoying.

S1E16 Enigma: Well there are a plethora of options for this one. Arriving in a staship would make Omoc shut the fuck up about the "primitive" crap seeing as the Stargate program is no leagues more powerful than the Tolan, even with their nifty "Shadowcat" tech. Resucing them might make an easy ally out of the Tolan. Never a bad thing.

S1E17 Solitudes: Irrelevant. 2nd gate has already been uncovered and blown up in OT IIRC.

S1E18 Tin Man: Having access to a planet factory might be nice. Especially with all that shiny new tech they would like to mass produce. Also perfect androids and the ability to potentially produce more is always nice. Maybe a few Naq'udah reactors would help the power problems.

S1E19 There but for the Grace of God: Well they can go to the planet and still take all the stuff, even though it would just duplicate existing pieces. This time Daniel can avoid touching that mirror, unless he wants to roll the dice on interdimensional travel.

S1E20 Politics: Flashback episode. From all the technology, they shouldn't need to worry about funding anymore. Next.

S1E21 Within the Serpent's Grasp: Well, by this time if Abydos is evacuated the timeline's don't really fit. Assuming that Apophis made the logic leap to assume Earth = Threat he would send another random Goa'uld under his command to attack. Seeing as by the time Season 10 ends, Goa'uld motherships are more a nuisance than a threat, the arriving Apophis mothership dies in any number of fast and deadly ways.

S2E1 The Serpent's Lair: Assuming word gets back to Apophis before he too arrives at Earth, he may in fact survive to the Season 2 continuity. Let's say that he still arrives but has a super secret escape pod that plot holes him from dying. This is a great time to get an extra Brae'tac as IIRC the OT one is currently dead. Oh and also an extra Teal'c for hair growth and starting competitions.


S2E2 In the Line of Duty: Too bad Sam's dad is already dead. If it is agreed that the Tok'ra are worth a damn, this is a great time for them to get in contact with them. This is the entry Tok'ra episode but they definitely don't have to wait this long to contact them.

S2E3 Prisoners: Well seeing as they no longer have to help the criminal as they what will result, they never meet the super arch villain lady and she rots in prison. Boo hoo.

S2E4 The Gamekeeper: Shoot this smarmy annoying son of a bitch. In fact just nuke it from orbit. I hated this episode. Maybe if they want to bring the faux-matrix tech back to Earth they might bother with this planet. Still, shoot that fucking guy at the first chance.

S2E5 Need: Free Sarcophagus! No more dying for anyone! Either negotiate for the Sarcophagus or simply go in there and take it. One thin I never understood was why they weren't clamoring for a Sarcophagus all the fucking time even if it turns out to be addictive with constant fucking use. Post a guard and only use it when people are actually dying. Get a fucking clue people, this is amazing tech that they simply ignore every chance they get. Maybe they actually have a few and therefore are more willy nilly with losing people in the field, something I never understood about the show and it's high red shirt mortality rate.

S2E6 Thor's Chariot: Well, there was no need to destroy the hammer in the first place but let's say a rock falls on it in the right place and it breaks anyway. Either ignore the planet as you have bigger fish to fry, do the same as in the episode or come in and blast the shit out of the bad guys.

S2E7 Message in a Bottle: Don't bother with this place. Leave that funky organic spike generating virus machine where it is.

S2E8 Family: Well continuity issues and everything. Rya'c could easily have been saved earlier and this episdoe does not need to happen with either NT Teal'c still working for Apophis or dead.

S2E9 Secrets: Doesn't need to happen. Either the people on Abydos can be evacuated or Sha're doesn't need to be kidnapped. If nothing else they never need to uncover their Stargate to allow the bad guys in. Ignored.

S2E10 Bane: No need for Teal'c to almost die again. Avoid the planet.

S2E11 & 12 Tokra I&II: Well seeing as they can trust the Tok'ra, well as far as you can trust Tok'ra anyway, they can establish an Alliance as necessary. This Alliance would be a little more lop-sided as the Tok'ra would be demanding the Super Tech from the Earthlings this time around. While the Alliance wouldn't really help extremely much, at least they already know who the traitors are and can alert the Tok'ra ahead of time. Or they can completely ignore them as they already got what they needed from them. I say Alliance but Teal'c will probably blood rage on the traitor Tok'ra we see in the later episodes.

More later, lots of typing, tired...

[KrauserKrauser]

Ok, in between rounds on Magic Online, time for more episodes.

S2E13 Spirits: I guess the mining rights are worth negotiating for so some more animals will need to be talked with. I don't remember this episode very well so I don't know if the minerals are worth the effort or not.

S2E14 Touchstone: Well presumably the NID people won't be interested in the weather device after already trying to steal it and failing. Episode probably never happens.

S2E15 The Fifth Race: This would be as good a time as any to go see the Asgard. The main difference would instead of Jack stumbling in there alone, we can just send one of the upgraded Earth vessels that have both Asgard and Ancient tech in them. If nothing else the first contact would be on a more even playing field at least technology wise. more on what should be done with the Asgard as the episodes play on.

S2E16 A Matter of Time: Well SG10 are already dead and would not be going to this Stargate. The gate remains for them to use as a weapon when needed, but there is no need to try and dial that place except as a weapon or to screw someone up. Good info to have though.

S2E17 Holiday: I don't remember Machello being very helpful in any way. Might as leave him alone and let him die of old age unless there is a desperate need for body swapping tech.

S2E18 Serpent's Song: Since Goa'uld tech is almost irrelevant to OT Earth, they could easily just turn over Apophis to Sokar as they do in the end anyway.

S2E19 One False Step: No need to send the UAV to this planet and disturb the mushrooms and natives. Easily bypassed or ignored.

S2E20 Show and Tell: They already have the tech to detect the attacking aliens so they shouldn't be a threat.

Next round!

[Darth Yoshi]

Shouldn't Teal'c be subject to entropic cascade failure or whatever technobabble it was that affected mirror Carter and mirror Kowalsky? Or are we assuming that that gets handwaved away via whatever deus ex machina swapped the Earths?

[FedRebel]

The Ori are overrunning the Milky Way and that Ark of Truth never happens! The Ori have conquered almost the entire galaxy and only one final prize remains, Earth. With no hope of defeating the Ori an ambitious plan is launched to transport the entire planet into a parallel universe, swapping it with an Earth that was pulverized by the Goa'uld. The swap is successful and Earth is now in a new galaxy that is still controlled by the Goa'uld.

The humans have all of their ships and three ZPMs, they took the Atlantis ZPM before self destructing the city. They have the Asgard energy weapons. They most importantly have all the knowledge from the last 10 years of gate travel, but the galaxy is more or less the same as it was in season 1 of SG1

By "same as it was in season 1" do you mean the political climate (Goa'uld dominate, Apophis is a minor lord that bitchslapped the slayers of Ra nine years ago), or actual time frame, (for example a few months after the events in "There But For the Grace of God')?

What happens next?

Assuming you mean galactic politics, first the politcal environment needs to be fleshed out

1. With the success of his invasion Apophis still carries some favor with the system lords and his war would fair better against herour, without ten years of intervention the system lords are collectively healthier and the Goa'uld would be in a more stable position. Revolts would be solely nuisances, the Tok"Ra would die out from attrition and there would be no Jaffa uprising. The only thing keeping Goa'uld domination at bay is that they are still scared shitless by the idea of Asgard intervention.

Speaking of the Asgard, by this time they're gone and their galaxy is overrun with replicators, which hopefully without the Asgard access to Reece lack nanobot human forms.

In other badguy news Anubis is probably still in the shadows as a stable system lordship and lack of godless Jaffa (ex Apophis, Sokar, Chronos, etc.) make acquiring necessary manpower difficult.

Back to extra-galactic matters, given Atlantis' state in "Rising" the city would be gone by this point and the Wraith would still be sound asleep.

Do they go out and confront the Goa'uld?

Not at first, Apophis would send a few ships after scouts dispatched via gate fail to report back. Said ships would be bitchslapped by 304's in orbit.

After that attempts would be made to contact the Tollan, Tok'Ra, and the Asgard. The Tollan might (given how firmly their heads seem to be stuck up their asses that's a big might) agree to a tech exchange upon seeing us wield Asgard tech, but they won't provide direct military aid. The ToK'ra probably are almost non-functional at this point (without Earth helping make some spies and provide disinformation avenues, they'd be short on advantages.) And the Asgard are likely gone leaving a galaxy full of hungry bugs.

The System Lords would eventually launch their allied assault against Earth and would fall before Earth's defenses. With the Goa'uld fleet crippled the 304's would proceed with search and destroy missions against the remainder, while the SGC commences ground campaigns to liberate the galaxy via gate.

Anubis would eventually come on the scene and use his knowledge and the dire situation to gain the unilateral devotion of the System Lords and use them to slow the Tau'ri while he seeks the weapon at Dakara. To his surprise the Tau'ri are waiting for him and he is defeated.

Do they try to go to the Pegasus Galaxy?

No, not immediately. They'd already have what they initially went there for and with the Wraith snoring, they'd be inclined to let sleeping dogs lie.

After all they'll have to handle the Goa'uld and then a potentially messier post war environment. And they may consider the replicators an overriding threat and proceed with expeditions to the Asgard's galaxy with the ancient weapons capable of busting the little buggers.

Do they go public with the stargate program, revealing to the world that the Earth was transported into a parallel universe?

Only if it is absolutely necessary, since the world at large hasn't the damnedest clue what is beyond the solar system, telling them that they're in a mirror universe would not be necessary.

[Lord MJ]

The Tau'ri even with only 3 active 304s could do catastrophic damage to the Goa'uld.

From what I've seen, a Asgard upgraded 304 could destroy a Hatak with a single shot.

The could gain access to an unlimited supply of ZPMs by taking a Replicator destroyer satellite and using in on the Asurans homeworld. Salvage teams could scour the remains and pick up ZPMs at leisure. They can return Atlantis to Earth. They can capture Atlantis class city ships from the Asurans. Commondere Aurora class vessels on the Asurans planet.

They would have quite the invincible fleet of ships at their disposal.

In addition if the black hole planet exists in this universe, they have star busting WMD at their disposal. In addition they have the tainted ZPM that can destroy a solar system, and there is presumably a second one available in this universe.

Whether this would be enough to destroy the combined forces of the Goa'uld is unknown, but if the Tau'ri do a little role play and declare themselves a new power in the galaxy, several of the system lords would no doubt break ranks and align themselves with or grovel for favor for the Tau'ri.

One unknown is what all the Goa'uld agents still on Earth would do once in this new universe.

[Nephtys]

It's pretty much a lot of dead Goa'uld. On day two, three 304s guard orbit, the Ancient Outpost comes online, and the high speed of the 304s along with Teal'cs knowledge allows them to cruise through the entire galaxy with their super speed (remember, they have Asgard drives,) and kick the snot out of anything. The only way the Goa'uld have any chance is with a mass fleet of dozens or more Ha'taks or more, converging at once on Earth. A fleet on the scale of 'Reckoning' could do it.

It's pretty much game over.

[Johonebesus]

It's questionable what the state of affairs for the Goa'uld would be. Apophis was not content to replace Ra as a feudal High King. He wanted to create a centralized empire. It's stated that the fragmented feudal nature of Goa'uld society was what kept them from conquering the entire galaxy. Remember that at the beginning the loss of a mere two hataks was a fatal blow for Apophis. Just a few years later the remaining System Lords of any consequence could field fleets of several of hataks. Either they liquidated their vassals and absorbed their forces, or they increased their holdings and thus their industrial capacity (or both).

Keep in mind too that a mere decade is a very short time, both for the Goa'uld and the real world. It is probable that, without the earthlings doing any more to destabilize the Goa'uld after offing Ra, the galaxy would still be embroiled in a war between Sokar and the other System Lords. Apophis could be a third antagonist, or defeated by the other System Lords or Sokar, or the new Supreme System Lord striking a balance between his desire to be a real emperor and the political reality of trying to hold on to the System Lords in the face of Sokar's attacks.

If the war was concluded very quickly then there would be two likely outcomes. Possibly Sokar was defeated and Apophis either lost or conceded that the only way he could rule was as a feudal lord (the latter less likely), and so the fragmented Goa'uld society would be little changed from the beginning of the series. The other alternative is that Apophis or Sokar succeeded in destroying all the System Lords and crating a centralized empire. This would be a much greater threat, especially if Anubis made his move at the same time and took over. Who knows, that may be why Anubis waited as long as he did. Maybe he was hoping that Apophis or someone else would create a unified empire that he could decapitate and take over.

[PeZook]

I imagine the countries not involved in the Stargate program will all quickly lobby to get a share and thus potentially start World War 3.

Ha, ha! Good one

How, exactly, do you fight a world war against an enemy who has a fleet of motherfucking space battleships?

[Darth Yoshi]

In addition if the black hole planet exists in this universe, they have star busting WMD at their disposal. In addition they have the tainted ZPM that can destroy a solar system, and there is presumably a second one available in this universe.

Are you referring to the ZPM that Cadmus brought to Earth? I thought they got rid of that when they triple-crossed him.

[Xon]

Are you referring to the ZPM that Cadmus brought to Earth? I thought they got rid of that when they triple-crossed him.

Nope, they gave him them empty one.

[KrauserKrauser]

Ok, bored at work again so more episodes incoming. Ideally I will go through SG1 and SGA with a final listing of what they should do when, but that's a bunch of work and this should be fun. We'll see.

S2E21 1969: Well, they know when the Solar Flare hits and can either not travel that day or go in knowing that there will be time travel involved. Might be interesting if they can advance the US technoology another 30 years if they know they are going to be travelling back in time. Just for the sake of not creating another timeline, lets say that they just knowingly avoid Stargate travel during the Solar Flare. I don't know what to think about the idea of Tricky Dick in charge of Space Cruisers and Laser weaponry.

S2E22 Out of Mind: Well ideally Hathor is already dead at this point so this episode never happens. Next.

S3E1 Into the Fire: Carry over from previous episode. Ignored due to Hathor's untimely demise in S1. Ignored.

S3E2 Seth: As we are dealing with OT earth, Seth has already been taken care of. Next episode please.

S3E3 Fair Game: The first opportunity for a negotiation with the Asgard and Goa'uld. The context would have changed drastically with Earth now able to readily defend itself from all but the most massive Goa'uld attacks. I have no idea what would come of this meeting, probably the Goa'uld end up being idotic assholes like they always are and everything goes as in OT Earth.

S3E4 Legacy: Since they know how to stop the parasite they either ignore the dead Goa'uld or simply take the necessary precautions after the previous infections.

S3E5 Learning Curve: Well, there is a free Naqu'dah reactor for the taking and a working Nanite supply that can be used to spread knowledge quickly between people. Might be worth a mission to get those pieces of tech to add to the existing supplies.

S3E6 Point of View: All of this would have already occurred on OT Earth and would not happen in the timeline unless they really wanted it to. No impact in this RAR.

S3E7 Deadman Switch: Either avoid the bounty hunter or do exactly what happened in the episode. Maybe rescue the Tok'ra in advance since you know where he is.

S3E8 Demons: Bring some heavy artillery and blast the Unas when he shows up. Then get thell out of there before the fundies go apeshit again.

S3E9 Rules of Engagement: You already know who the impostors are, either shoot them all or play along to get more information. I side with the Shooty option.

S3E10 Forever in a Day: Episdoe is ignored by saving Sha're and the rest of the people in Abydos andthe Harsisis is never born.

S3E11 Past and Present: Episode is ignored as they need not to be sent to the prison to escape with Lineaus. Lineaus dreams of being free while continuing to rot in her prison shithole.

S3E12 Jolinar's Memories: Well, they already know what Sokar's super secret plan is and Carter father is already dead in OT Earth. Unless they feel like punishing themselves, they can leave Apophis to run his little prison planet.

S3E13 The Devil You Know: As this is a follow up episode to S3E12, it can largely be ignored as there is no reason to endanger anyone to get information that is already known.

S3E14 Foothold: As they know what planet the invading aliens came from they can have soldiers with the special seeing goggles to shoot any that try to come through the gate. Extra chameleon devices for everyone!

S3E15 Pretense: Another chance for some Tollan diplomacy, only thing is Skar'a should not be an issue in the NT. Let's say this is still an issue but they already know what arguments to make and can easily blow up any ship the Goa'uld send to bother the proceedings. bargaining for the Goa'uld removal technology would be useful.

S3E16 Urgo: Avoid the holographic Dom Deluise and continue on, no need for that nonsense.

S3E17 A Hundred Days: If the trade treaty is needed, which it probably is, then there should be no worry about the Stargte getting buried as one of the ships could easily be dispatched to either dig it up or pick up anyone on the planet.

S3E18 Shades of Grey: Most of the people involved in this would already be in custody in OT Earth so ideally it is not repeated. If NID did get active again it would be harder to infiltrate as they should now know not to trust and SG personnel.

S3E19 New Ground: Well, there is really one easy to settle this Civil War. Fly one of the Capital Ships to the side that doesn't believe that people arrived through the Stargate and make sure that alot of people see you. If there refuse to believe, leave them to be idiots. Probably better off just leaving them alone, but fighting stupid is at least sometimes a worthwhile cause.

[Darth Onasi]

I imagine the countries not involved in the Stargate program will all quickly lobby to get a share and thus potentially start World War 3.

Ha, ha! Good one

How, exactly, do you fight a world war against an enemy who has a fleet of motherfucking space battleships?

In that alternate earth episode where the stargate program was outed, wasn't the U.S. using it's 302s and 304s to spank any foreign dissent? And that was without Asgard weapons.

[Crazedwraith]

KrauserKrauser, although your exhaustive episode list are admirable in their detail. The fact is none of the episodes are going to happen because Earth has already been to all those places and thus won't need to go again. They'll just either stop going out or continue from where they've got to. They won't redo all the old places.

Now the big loss for Earth in this scenario is that although they have all their 304s and experience. They've been cut off from their entire off world infrastructure. ie) Their off world naquadah and trinium mines. First order of business will have to be to re-establish said infrastructure and do so quietly because although they have a space fleet adequate to defend Earth from most attacks, they're not going to be building any more any time soon.

[Darth Onasi]

Now the big loss for Earth in this scenario is that although they have all their 304s and experience. They've been cut off from their entire off world infrastructure. ie) Their off world naquadah and trinium mines. First order of business will have to be to re-establish said infrastructure and do so quietly because although they have a space fleet adequate to defend Earth from most attacks, they're not going to be building any more any time soon.

If they have the Asgard weapons then they have the Asgard knowledge base, which means that they should be able to build the Asgard matter replicator as Carter did in "Unending".
While I'm sure it'd still need raw resources it seems to me it'd need considerably less. Perhaps they would just need to contact the Unas on the abandoned mine planet and strike a deal with them again (now knowing how to not piss them off at all) and be able to produce smaller ships, at least.

[Crazedwraith]

They still need a shitload of naquadah and trinium to build bombs and hulls from at the very least.

And I've never seen 'Unending' does it include an Asgard power source that is built from Earth based materials?

[Solauren]

No, the Asguard Core doesn't AFAICR.

However, it could turn any matter into any other matter. We just don't the limitations (but they are hinted, going by the Generals plant garden, at being limited by mass).

In theory, all you'd need is the right amount of mass of raw materials, and presto; start ship parts. Some assembly required.

[Themightytom]

S2E21 1969: Well, they know when the Solar Flare hits and can either not travel that day or go in knowing that there will be time travel involved. Might be interesting if they can advance the US technoology another 30 years if they know they are going to be travelling back in time. Just for the sake of not creating another timeline, lets say that they just knowingly avoid Stargate travel during the Solar Flare. I don't know what to think about the idea of Tricky Dick in charge of Space Cruisers and Laser weaponry

Wow that would create an interesting turn of events, if they go back in "this" timeline and advance the earth's technology, they will advance the technology of tthe earth they are replacing, a significantly MROE advanced earth will replace the OT one during the swap and the ori would be playing a different game, against an earth that has had thirty years to produce and refine BC304's, meanwhile OT earth would pop into a galaxy they are not so familiar with