[Stargate - Star Trek] Earth Swap

[Lord MJ]

The Ori are overrunning the Milky Way and that Ark of Truth never happens! The Ori have conquered almost the entire galaxy and only one final prize remains, Earth. With no hope of defeating the Ori an ambitious plan is launched to transport the entire planet into a parallel universe, swapping it with an Earth from the Star Trek universe, post Nemesis. The swap is successful!

The Star Trek Earth keeps all of it's Orbiting Stations and Platforms, as well as the ships in orbit. Starfleet has 20 capital ships in orbit at the time, and hundreds of other assorted craft. All civilian assets are also transported. The moon doesn't go in the swap.

The SG Earth has 3 ZPMs, and the Asgard Upgraded 304s. They suddenly find themselves in a Solar system filled with outposts, shipyards and Space stations left over. However it can be imagined that some of the assets in the Terran system such as the Martian colonies were Earth property, other assets like the Utopia Planitia yards where Federation property. They are all still of course manned by people from the Star Trek Universe.

What happens?

[Solauren]

Short Term: Trek Earth gets rapped by the Ori. And I mean hard.

Mid Term: The UFP just got a massive tech upgrade, once things get shorted out, and proceeds to laugh in the face of the rest of the galaxy when they try to flex there muscles. I can imagine the effect a Sovereign Class vessel upgraded with Asguard technology would have on Borg cubes.

[DarkSilver]

You fucked Trek Earth over...hard.

is the Asgard upgraded 304's couldn't take out the Ori ships, what hope does the Trek ships have when they've been shown to consistantly have a much weaker class of weapon and shields?



Gate Earth just found themselves as the big fish - Trek tech can't touch them with regards to hyperdrive, weapons output or shield ratings. Will they share the tech with the Federation (whose Capitol Planet they just fucked over and replaced) is the big question.


Honestly...this is a crappy what if.

[Crazedwraith]

Star Trek Earth is indeed fucked.

Star Gate Earth is in an interesting spot. Once again all their resources that they know how to use: the Stargate, naquadah power sources, trinium and so forth all gone and don't even exist anymore.

Whats more, its 20th century earth and will probably be considered hopelessly uncivilised and barbaric. Plus the Federation was centred on ST Earth, so a lot of its organisation has just been decapitated. So everyone's going to be taking advantage of that.

While Earth itself is able to operate pretty much with impunity until its starts running out of things. Like naquadah nukes.

[Solauren]

How do we know that the materials in Star Gate don't exist in Star Trek?

[Darth Onasi]

is the Asgard upgraded 304's couldn't take out the Ori ships, what hope does the Trek ships have when they've been shown to consistantly have a much weaker class of weapon and shields?

Well they can, the upgraded Odyssey fried two Ori ships, it was at a disadvantage because the systems had just been installed and it had been ambushed.
Not that this changes the Trek ships being target practice for Ori crews though.

[NecronLord]

Would someone like to present some actual calcs regarding the awesome weapons power of stargate ships? Because an offhand quip about 'two hundred megaton blasts' ten seasons ago really doesn't hold water.

Stargate has some pretty damn shiny explosive weapons, but its energy weapons have never once been shown to be more powerful than Star Trek's, and only vaguely implied to be so on one occasion (and 'I will renew the fires of the underworld' isn't exactly explicit, either).

[PREDATOR490]

I would imagine Gate-Earth would be equally fucked.

The Stargate program gets revealed, they lose Atlantis and the various outposts, allies, ships they have outside of this switch. On top of this, Star Trek is part of Stargate's culture so the shitstorm THAT is going to have will be interesting.
Will the Stargate verse actors of Star Trek meet their real Star Trek self ?
Will the population of Earth suddenly freak out knowing that not only does alien life exist, its been on their screens daily for years ?
Will people start wondering if Star Wars, Terminator, Farscape etc. are all real as well ?
Will the public really endorse a war against Earth-humans, especially if they realise they could be killing alternate versions of themselves who are part of an organisation that the 'good guys' on TV ?

Granted, the technology of Stargate is greater but in this swap they have just lost ANY access to more ZPMs, Ancient Technology, Stargate Travel, resources etc. Without ZPMs or access to new naqudah they are going to need new sources of power eventually.
Assuming they get all the 304s in this swap, which is pushing it since at least one is supposed to be on the Earth - Atlantis route and the other is still being constructed. That leaves them with 4 ships maximum before they have to setup production facilities in the Trek verse.
If they do have the proper resources to continue production then they can eventually assemble a fleet in peace, if they dont then its a choice between using local resources to either build weaker 304s or brand new ship designs.

Additionally, Trek's Solar system is supposed to be heavily defended so when SG Earth arrives I would expect the Federation to quickly respond. Although realistically, I see the Federation demanding the return of their own Earth and seeing SG as callous bastards when told of the grimfate Starfleet Academy is in for.

Outcome:
Federation pushes the issue, SG defends itself, kicks off a war while sitting in the core of enemy held space with no allies, no ability to flee, limited to a single Earth suffering civil unrest
with only 4 ships and a chair to defend against the post Dominon War militarised Starfleet.

Endgame 1:
SG technology sufficiently overwhelms the Federation and shocks the galaxy into submission enough for them to sink into isolation and deal with domestic unrest unmolested. After which point, Earth either becomes the new Goa'uld or the new head of a brand new Federation.

Endgame 2:
Unrest fucks over SG so badly that everything falls apart long enough for a Trek power to take advantage and assimilate / steal / buy / bribe / blackmail / extort / reverse engineer / negotiate etc. SG's technology advantage.
Probably wont be the Federation though since they will want their OWN Earth back and thus will be aiming to get access to whatever device caused the swap and reverse it.
If they succeed quickly enough, SG dies, ST gets back before being attacked
If they succed in general, SG dies, ST gets back roasted
If they fail, ST Dies / goes Ori, SG gets ruined either by the other Trek powers or domestic chaos, probably both.

Overall, I would say both Earths end up in deep shit for the short term and SG has a slim chance of coming out on top if things go the right way.

[Lord MJ]

Have there been any calcs on the Ori Ships shield strength and how they would stack up to phasers and photo torps?

Some were claiming that they could take a full broadside from an ISD. (Which would make Asgard beam weapons more powerful than any Imperial weapons short of a superlaser)