[Discussion] ArcturusMengsk: Ideological Violence

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[Discussion] ArcturusMengsk: Ideological Violence

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In this thread, through the first page or so, ArcturusMengsk advocates ideological violence against Christians.
And just as Emancipation was won, not by the submissive minority, but instead by well-intentioned, crusading members of the majority willing to sacrifice life and limb and social prestige for the cause, so to will this Movement be dominated mostly by heterosexuals - the problem heretofore with the LGBT movement has been its inability to properly create an alliance with members of the majority who do not feel threatened by them. And the watchword must be, peace if possible, force if necessary. The Mormon cult in Utah and the Southern states must be put on high alert by a force of men-at-arms willing to fight and to bleed for the sacred liberties of others, free from the soul-poison of Christianity.
And so I say that, yes, I propose vigilantism, and you may call it thuggery if you wish. I call it necessary, and probably inevitable if historical parallel holds.
When called nothing more than an "Internet Tough Guy", he responded thus:
Ok internet tough guy, you first. You want to violently rise up and oppress a group, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is. Start organizing, arming, etc. I'll follow the news to see if this pans out for you.
Cut me a check and fund my efforts, then, and I will. And I could bring at least ten men into the fold myself if given the munitions, one of them having already been arrested and charged for assaulting a Jehovah's Witness missionary, and being generally more ill-disposed towards the sect than I am. I would have no qualms with it whatsoever. Indeed, several of my friends have already made preliminary plans for such an event, but as a contingency in the case of a general economic collapse, when the theocratic forces will be at their strongest.
Now, we have many reasons to be critical of the Christian church in general and the hard-core evangelical idealogues specifically, but openly advocating hate crimes based on ideology is typically a bad idea, regardless. If a plan is truly being formed to attack Christians with force of arms, I think it is fair to say that this person has not only violated board policies but we should consider reporting to the authorities, if practical.

What say we?
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Re: [Discussion] ArcturusMengsk: Ideological Violence

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Seems Mr. Mengsk is skirting the edges of a PR6 violation and —although it doesn't quite fit the definition given— a PR2 violation as well.
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Advocating violence against a group based on ideology is bad enough, but this goes beyond that and into the realm of concocting actual plots and schemes. I don't like it.
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His ass should be gone. His actions in that thread constitute hate speech against christians under any reasonable definition I know of. If someone had a sig saying "Hitler had the right idea" this wouldn't be a question and Diocletian wasn't much better.
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Personally I'd like to see if he will defend his statements in said thread but the topic at hand is correct.
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Re: [Discussion] ArcturusMengsk: Ideological Violence

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Ender wrote:His ass should be gone. His actions in that thread constitute hate speech against christians under any reasonable definition I know of. If someone had a sig saying "Hitler had the right idea" this wouldn't be a question and Diocletian wasn't much better.
To play the Devil's Advocate, your egging him on did not help matters in the slightest.

Otherwise, I agree with the general sentiment that AM's comments go beyond "blowing off steam" to "violating board rules and being the sort of person we'd rather have nothing to do with." And as Edi pointed out in the thread, this sort of behavior isn't exactly new for AM.

Here is the first Senate thread featuring the questionable behavior of AM.
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GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:
Ender wrote:His ass should be gone. His actions in that thread constitute hate speech against christians under any reasonable definition I know of. If someone had a sig saying "Hitler had the right idea" this wouldn't be a question and Diocletian wasn't much better.
To play the Devil's Advocate, your egging him on did not help matters in the slightest.
His sig and posts were advocating violence before I entered that thread. I may not have raised the bar for intelligent discourse here (which I said in that thread and stand by) , but to frame it as though I encouraged the behavior is false.
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I'll motion that AM be subjected to disciplinary action, with voting options of a punitive title, temporary ban, permanent ban, or no action.
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I'll accept nothing less than a permanent ban for this. Per the record on ArcturusMengsk he has been warned before about threating violence against another member to the point at which he wrote a murder fantasy about it. Lets be blunt, Arcturus is playing with less than a full deck, he needs to be shown the door and kindly informed he should seek professional help.

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Given the prior behavior my thoughts would be a perma ban as the best option. I just don't see how titling him or other minimal corrective action can have any positive results with him. That being said as with other discussions where PermaBan is on the table I would request that we not second the motion until everyone gets the chance to get their two cents in. My inclination would be to hold off on any vote until Sunday at the earliest to give folks all day Fri and Sat to add their thoughts, if he merits faster action due to a response in the thread then the Admins can act.
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I'm with Bean. It's not the first time Mengsk has strayed into dangerous waters, and advocating violence based on ideology is not something we should accept here. Ban his sorry ass.
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Toss him out head first. He had his chance, he ignored it, and this forum will be better without him. Its not as if we need more conflict in this bloody place.
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Ban his ass. I don't want to associate with him at all and his twisted little fantasies don't have a place on SD.net.
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Who did Mengsk post a murder fantasy about, and where is the link? I want to see that--I don't remember it and can't find it, and if I see prove of that I'm going to support an immediate permban.
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You are so welcome

Yes, he most certainly deserves a ban.
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An isolated emotional lapse might be somewhat excusable, but in several subsequent posts he repeatedly insisted that he was being sincere. Hence, it would only be proper to take this matter very seriously.
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*reads, stares, navigates away, reloads, reads again, stares*

Uhm, christ. The only option on that poll should be a permban.
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I am inclined to agree. Time to airmail his ass off the board. He had his chance.
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Another canidate for Room 101.

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Having read some other posts by AM, I stand by my original proposal: the poll should have four options.

It will be so much more meaning full when "kick the bum out" completely trounces all the other options in the poll.
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From a denizen:
If the consensus is that Arcturus's statements constitute inciting violence, and if it is felt that his statements constitute a statement of intent to carry out an illegal action, I must agree that it is only propper to notify law enforcement. I don't want to land some idiot who was just talking big in serious legal trouble, but I feel its better to be safe than sorry. Besides, I wonder if notifying the propper authorities now might save SDN some legal trouble later on. I might be inclined to let it go if he apologized and retracted his comments, but even then I would likely question the sincerity.

Please share my opinion with the Senate if you wish, but please respect my annonymity, given the nature of this subject.
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In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
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Ted C wrote:I'll motion that AM be subjected to disciplinary action, with voting options of a punitive title, temporary ban, permanent ban, or no action.
I support this wholeheartedly.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
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It's OK to hate Christianity and its adherents, it is not OK to advocate killing people merely because you hate their belief.

Let's ban his ass.
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The worst I've ever done, is answer the door and talk to the JW's in my undies, and offer to loan them a copy of some Niezche or Crowley's translation of the book of changes....
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The Yosemite Bear wrote:The worst I've ever done, is answer the door and talk to the JW's in my undies, and offer to loan them a copy of some Niezche or Crowley's translation of the book of changes....
You in your undies might be considered a Crime Againat Humanity; we'd have to ask Amnesty International. Or maybe the best thing to do would be to ask yourself "What Would Gitmo Do?"

Seriously, it sound slike we have enough interest to warrant a poll.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."


In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!

If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!!
Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
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