Iraq calls destruction of Columbia "Vengeance of Allah&

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-01 09:08pm

Do Iraqi's actually HATE the US? I don't mean Saddam and the bunch, I'm just talking about your average Joe Shmoe here. I couldn't imagine why, all America has ever done for such war torn countries like this one, after they take over, is give them food, medical supplies, reconstruct their cities, install a fair government and try to open up some jobs and what not.

Look at Germany, or to a greater degree Japan. I think the govt. did a damn good job over there after the war. What makes these people believe the US won't do the same there? One can only imagine, I suppose.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-01 09:19pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Look at Germany, or to a greater degree Japan. I think the govt. did a damn good job over there after the war. What makes these people believe the US won't do the same there? One can only imagine, I suppose.

Neither Germany or Japan had the sort of internal racial strife or religious fanaticism that characterizes Iraq. I wouldn't be so hasty to assume things will work out well for any post-war government.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-01 09:32pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Do Iraqi's actually HATE the US? I don't mean Saddam and the bunch, I'm just talking about your average Joe Shmoe here. I couldn't imagine why, all America has ever done for such war torn countries like this one, after they take over, is give them food, medical supplies, reconstruct their cities, install a fair government and try to open up some jobs and what not.

Look at Germany, or to a greater degree Japan. I think the govt. did a damn good job over there after the war. What makes these people believe the US won't do the same there? One can only imagine, I suppose.

Propoganda, since the only real news networks that place will get will be controlled by a certain dictator regime, they will be brought up hearing nothing but praise for Iraq and Saddam and curses against the West and "Great Satan".

It's hardly the populations fault if they have been fed such shit all the time. Most news companies that go there ask the average Joe on the street and he/she seems okay about America or Britain, some even want them to come and get Saddam because they know their lies are just that.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-01 09:48pm

Right. Coupla' things.

Enlightenment, kiss my ass. I have Muslim friends and they are all kind, friendly people who certainly do not wish to harm anyone. Fuck you, racist asshole.

Phelps can suck Enlightment's dick for all I care. Maybe we can get Saddam to sodomize them both.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-01 09:49pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Do Iraqi's actually HATE the US? I don't mean Saddam and the bunch, I'm just talking about your average Joe Shmoe here. I couldn't imagine why, all America has ever done for such war torn countries like this one, after they take over, is give them food, medical supplies, reconstruct their cities, install a fair government and try to open up some jobs and what not.

I think all Iraqis actually hate the US, the Bedou are not Iraqis.

The 1,500,000 casualties the US has caused through sanctions has strengthend Saddams power.

Also, when Shrub sr. told the Iraqis to rise up and free themselves, they did, but the yanks let the Iraqis slaughter them all. None of the Iraqis now trust the US one bit.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-02-01 09:53pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Do Iraqi's actually HATE the US? I don't mean Saddam and the bunch, I'm just talking about your average Joe Shmoe here.

Only the third or so that actually supports Saddam.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-01 11:10pm

HemlockGrey wrote:Enlightenment, kiss my ass. I have Muslim friends and they are all kind, friendly people who certainly do not wish to harm anyone. Fuck you, racist asshole.

Phelps can suck Enlightment's dick for all I care. Maybe we can get Saddam to sodomize them both.

Well a certain mod has certainly met everyone's asshat list for today.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-02-01 11:39pm

God Almighty has struck this evil nation a great blow yet again, and sends a message to Israel -- separate yourself from this leper colony, and return to God.

As America stirred and woke up on the morning of February 1, 2003, the space shuttle Columbia raced toward it's landing site in Florida. Over Texas, it mysteriously disintegrated as it streaked back to earth. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS FOR YOU TO BLAME THIS ON at 200,000 feet traveling at MACH 6!!!! GOD STRUCK THE SYMBOL OF YOUR MIGHT AND ARROGANCE OUT OF THE SKY!!!

Mwahahaha. I like how he calls my own home country a "leper country" and praises Isreal while he can always MOVE THERE. Since Israel has so many fundamentalism there also, why won't he move there?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-01 11:50pm

Probably because, deep down, he's afraid Israel is no better than the US.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2003-02-02 12:04am

GOD STRUCK THE SYMBOL OF YOUR MIGHT AND ARROGANCE OUT OF THE SKY!!!

A better symbol might be something that could actually be directly used to further an "arrogant" agenda, like an aircraft carrier.

As it is, it's just God striking down a peaceful craft that represents scientific and technological achievement; though, arguably, God finds that offensive too.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-02-02 12:34am

Wicked Pilot wrote:
Rev Phelps wrote:God Almighty has struck this evil nation a great blow yet again, and sends a message to Israel -- separate yourself from this leper colony, and return to God.

As America stirred and woke up on the morning of February 1, 2003, the space shuttle Columbia raced toward it's landing site in Florida. Over Texas, it mysteriously disintegrated as it streaked back to earth. WAKE UP AMERICA!!! THERE WERE NO TERRORISTS FOR YOU TO BLAME THIS ON at 200,000 feet traveling at MACH 6!!!! GOD STRUCK THE SYMBOL OF YOUR MIGHT AND ARROGANCE OUT OF THE SKY!!!
God Bless America

I guess Phelps has one thing in common with the Iraqis mentioned in the topic. And why is he saying some bigoted mass murderer in the sky did it, instead of technical errors? Porbably for the same reason Falwell pointed to the same man in the sky after 9-11, I'm guessing a mix of irrationality and bigotry.

Let's see. First, God hates gays then America, then people who aren't fundie enough for Phelps, and now, it's scientific advancement.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 12:37am

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Let's see. First, God hates gays then America, then people who aren't fundie enough for Phelps, and now, it's scientific advancement.

Nothing new, I'm afraid. Phelps and all fundies hate scientific advancement, because it keeps diligently adding to the monstrous pile of evidence which proves that their beliefs are bullshit.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-02-02 06:49am

I think that a lot of Iraqis (and muslims in other countries) DO hate America. This is not necessarily because they support Saddam, but because they don't believe America's intentions are entirely benevelent. The support of the state of Israel, for example, has made America a lot of enemies in the Islamic middle east, who feel that the Palestinians are getting a raw deal.

Even people who don't support their leaders, probably don't see America as being much better. A mixture of propaganda and fear.
Don't forget that during the Afghan campaign, civilians didnt' know whether the American planes were going to drop bombs, or food and propaganda leaflets that, if they were caught with, could result in the death sentence.

This reaction disgusts me as much as the footage of parties in the street on September 11, though, I'm just playing Devil's advocate a little.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-02 07:44am

innerbrat wrote:This reaction disgusts me as much as the footage of parties in the street on September 11, though, I'm just playing Devil's advocate a little.

Actually, I learned shortly after 9/11 that that footage was not about 9/11, but celebrations of some Palestinian holiday or somesuch.

Enlightenment: Quite an ironic name.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-02-02 02:12pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:Let's see. First, God hates gays then America, then people who aren't fundie enough for Phelps, and now, it's scientific advancement.
Nothing new, I'm afraid. Phelps and all fundies hate scientific advancement, because it keeps diligently adding to the monstrous pile of evidence which proves that their beliefs are bullshit.

Couldn't they also avoid such advancews by shoving their heads up thier asses? I'm sure for all Phelps is concerned, you're in Heaven in you're up 200,000 feet. And considering how he thinks Falwell is a "fag enabling sodomite", he probably thinks he's the only living person hateful enough to go to Heaven.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-02 02:31pm

Dalton wrote:
innerbrat wrote:This reaction disgusts me as much as the footage of parties in the street on September 11, though, I'm just playing Devil's advocate a little.
Actually, I learned shortly after 9/11 that that footage was not about 9/11, but celebrations of some Palestinian holiday or somesuch.

Enlightenment: Quite an ironic name.

It was doctored by the "unbias" media. If the footage took place when they claimed it should have, it would have been night-time over there, not the middle of the day.

Admiral Piett · Post by **Admiral Piett** » 2003-02-02 02:39pm

Durandal wrote:If the footage took place when they claimed it should have, it would have been night-time over there, not the middle of the day.

Wonderful.If this is true then rather than cheking the CNN website for news I will go for something with more or less the same credibility but funnier.

http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-02-02 03:22pm

Ted wrote:

I think all Iraqis actually hate the US, the Bedou are not Iraqis.

Over generalization, most Iraqi's as well as most other people in the world probably don't think about America as much as some would want or think. When questioned about America by journalist and/or goverment officals they probably revert to local propaganda they heard through various local media.

The 1,500,000 casualties the US has caused through sanctions has strengthend Saddams power.

Serious overstatment, while I am sure there are some widow that directly blame the US (and rightly so) for the deaths of their spouses and/or children that died due to American forces attacking AAA and CC sites as well as military casualties durring the war, the casualties you refer to are the fault of the goverment of Iraq and I would believe most of the civilians over there know it. I doubt they have not noticed that Saddam has built a bunch of new palaces while they starve. But why say something when it will get you killed.

Also, when Shrub sr. told the Iraqis to rise up and free themselves, they did, but the yanks let the Iraqis slaughter them all. None of the Iraqis now trust the US one bit

This though, I can agree with you with and is not exactly a shinning moment in US history. It is actualy quite shamefull.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-02-02 03:37pm

Darth Wong wrote:What Iraq is doing now is simply the same idiotic bullshit they've been pulling all along; I'm sure Rev. Phelps is basically saying the same thing.

Point of order: The title "reverend" only applies to ordained ministers. Since Phelps was defrocked by the SBC in the mid to late 80s, it does not apply to him and should not be used.

He is "Mister" Phelps, not "Reverend" Phelps.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-02-02 04:53pm

Iceberg wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:What Iraq is doing now is simply the same idiotic bullshit they've been pulling all along; I'm sure Rev. Phelps is basically saying the same thing.
Point of order: The title "reverend" only applies to ordained ministers. Since Phelps was defrocked by the SBC in the mid to late 80s, it does not apply to him and should not be used.

He is "Mister" Phelps, not "Reverend" Phelps.

Whoa...I didn't know the SBC did defrockings. He must've really pissed 'em off.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-02-02 04:59pm

The Dark wrote:
Iceberg wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:What Iraq is doing now is simply the same idiotic bullshit they've been pulling all along; I'm sure Rev. Phelps is basically saying the same thing.
Point of order: The title "reverend" only applies to ordained ministers. Since Phelps was defrocked by the SBC in the mid to late 80s, it does not apply to him and should not be used.

He is "Mister" Phelps, not "Reverend" Phelps.
Whoa...I didn't know the SBC did defrockings. He must've really pissed 'em off.

How the hell does someone piss off their OWN CHURCH?! Oh well, serves the donkey fucker right.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-02-02 05:34pm

What Enlightenment (does anybody see the irony there?) has said doesn't really suprise me. He seems to enjoy generalising all people from a group and saying how much of assholes they all are and how they are all mother fuckers because of the few which he somehow makes into the majority. I have multiple Muslim friends; I haven't been killed yet, asshole.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-02 06:42pm

I suggest Enlightenment gets a new title.

Something like Sheps previous one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 06:50pm

Is he even participating in this thread any more? I suggest we demand some kind of clarification:

Enlightenment, are you saying that all people who call themselves Muslims are like fundie Muslims, and are worthless? Or are you saying that the religion of Islam itself is basically worthless, with the behaviour of individual Muslims being judged on how closely they follow its tenets?

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-02-02 06:56pm

Dalton wrote:
innerbrat wrote:This reaction disgusts me as much as the footage of parties in the street on September 11, though, I'm just playing Devil's advocate a little.
Actually, I learned shortly after 9/11 that that footage was not about 9/11, but celebrations of some Palestinian holiday or somesuch.

http://snopes.com/rumors/cnn.htm