Mages in Modern Combat

[Samuel]

Well, that's the other kind of Flat Earth Atheist. The who, while believing in the existence of powerful extraplanar beings, does not consider them Gods, per se.

Yeah, but when you have modern tech, it is less "Flat Earth Atheist" and more "Singularity Proponent".

After all, the "Gods" got to their position somehow, and so can we. And if it isn't possible for humans to do it, we can get our AIs to asend.

[Formless]

The only issue I see with Alyrium Denryle's system of classification is that "Divine" spells have a different set of effects, usually. There are many kinds of spells that a cleric can cast that a wizard or sorcerer cannot cast, and vice-verse. And at times the two are actually treated differently in certain situations. Like when determining what happens when the spells react with certain arcane monsters. How would that be explained?

[Samuel]

The only issue I see with Alyrium Denryle's system of classification is that "Divine" spells have a different set of effects, usually. There are many kinds of spells that a cleric can cast that a wizard or sorcerer cannot cast, and vice-verse. And at times the two are actually treated differently in certain situations. Like when determining what happens when the spells react with certain arcane monsters. How would that be explained?

Similarly to how they would deal with psionics.

[Formless]

Similarly to how they would deal with psionics.

Good thing psionics aren't standard DnD.

'Sides, if you were to include them for the heck of it, they would just be seen as a different technique to accessing power, but otherwise use the same mental frameworks. And then some, since the Psion class bases its different kinds of spells on all six statistics depending on the spel- er, power, to use the proper terminology. That means powers based on how strong you are, how much physical constitution you have, how nimble you are. It is pretty odd, actually. Best to not dwell on it too long.

[Samuel]

Isn't that essentially what they do in 4th edition with the martial powers?

[Alyrium Denryle]

The only issue I see with Alyrium Denryle's system of classification is that "Divine" spells have a different set of effects, usually. There are many kinds of spells that a cleric can cast that a wizard or sorcerer cannot cast, and vice-verse. And at times the two are actually treated differently in certain situations. Like when determining what happens when the spells react with certain arcane monsters. How would that be explained?

Depending on what you expect to happen, the effects and the spells might be different. Again, just an artifact of training.

Of course this would mean that we would expect wizards to try to create spells that are in effect divine spells.

[Samuel]

The only issue I see with Alyrium Denryle's system of classification is that "Divine" spells have a different set of effects, usually. There are many kinds of spells that a cleric can cast that a wizard or sorcerer cannot cast, and vice-verse. And at times the two are actually treated differently in certain situations. Like when determining what happens when the spells react with certain arcane monsters. How would that be explained?

Depending on what you expect to happen, the effects and the spells might be different. Again, just an artifact of training.

Of course this would mean that we would expect wizards to try to create spells that are in effect divine spells.

Can metamagic feats do that?

[loomer]

I believe there is such a feat, yes (there is certainly the reverse)

[Formless]

The reverse applies all the time in the form of domain spells. There is even a domain CALLED the Magic domain that is filled with cross-pollination by default, IIRC.

[lordofFNORD]

The only issue I see with Alyrium Denryle's system of classification is that "Divine" spells have a different set of effects, usually. There are many kinds of spells that a cleric can cast that a wizard or sorcerer cannot cast, and vice-verse. And at times the two are actually treated differently in certain situations. Like when determining what happens when the spells react with certain arcane monsters. How would that be explained?

Depending on what you expect to happen, the effects and the spells might be different. Again, just an artifact of training.

Of course this would mean that we would expect wizards to try to create spells that are in effect divine spells.

Can metamagic feats do that?

Er, no. The closest feat would be the one that gives wizards a clerics domain, but that still requires the wizard to worship the appropriate god. Clerics can get a number of wizard spells, by a variety of techniques, but that doesn't strike me as a good argument against the existence of gods.

Of course, there are fewer truly unique divine powers than might be assumed at first glance. Bards get the "Cure" spells as arcane spells. Wizards can't use Raise Dead, but they can use Clone, Contact Outer Plane instead of Commune, etc.