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Ryan Thunder wrote:Miratia is intended to be a producer of technologically advanced equipment for export to the highest bidder.
It's not a truly major concern of mine, but this really doesn't jive very well with your surroundings. As a whole Frequesue is a pretty chaotic and anarchy-riddled continent, and your neighborhood (the interior) in particular is generally poor and unstable. Moreover, your nation is fairly small (GDP-wise) and has apparently just recently emerged from a state of warlordism... For such a nation to field a force of SR-71s and stealthy tankers seems about as likely as Tunisia construction a space station.
The warlordism is what spawned the incentive to build all that stuff in the first place. That's why they've given up fighting and how stability was restored: they didn't stand a chance.
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I did: I started with one CGN and two SSNs, and have since built another CGN and a bunch of SSGNs.
Well, I don't want to risk pissing anybody off pointlessly (since there's really no good reason for me to have a BCGN at this point anyways.)
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Ryan Thunder wrote: The warlordism is what spawned the incentive to build all that stuff in the first place. That's why they've given up fighting and how stability was restored: they didn't stand a chance.
But how did the expensive infrastructure needed to build all that high-tech stuff get developed in a poor and warlord-plauged nation? You don't see, for example, Cambodia or any African dump of a country building fleets of tanks and fighter planes to begin with, much less advanced ones.

And again, how did the FTO not notice this rapid buildup of technology?
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Beowulf wrote:First off, I'm much, much bigger than you. Second, I'm part of the largest military-economic pact in the game. If I do decide to outsource military production, I'd probably be for much better reasons than just for the hell of it.
I can manufacture the weaponry for you, and since its modular, you don't need to buy as much of it as you might have to otherwise, so it ends up being cheaper than buying non-modular weapons.

All rifles and pistols use the same type of ammunition, and so their magazines are mutually compatible (8x30 mm). Shipments would include shotguns, various special ammunition for these shotguns (slug, buckshot, flechette, fuel-air, etc.), auxiliary shotguns, auxiliary grenade launchers (and 40mm grenades for them, of course), machine pistols, service pistols, and assault rifles that can be converted to carbines or light machine guns.

Buy enough, and you'll give me reason to build a few more factories (I currently have two) so I'll be able to get them to you faster.

I would suggest you purchase a sample of 400 convertible rifles (plus parts for conversion, of course), plus 100 auxiliary grenade launchers, 100 auxiliary shotguns, and some 40000 rounds of 8x30mm ammunition.

Sure, it'd be a bit more expensive than buying 400 assault rifles, but you can give them to a fireteam and then have them convert one of them to a SAW, make another guy a grenadier, etc, without needing to send them loads of additional equipment. If the gunner's gun is lost, you can convert another rifle. This means your troops are flexible, able to absorb losses more fluidly.
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Ryan Thunder wrote: The warlordism is what spawned the incentive to build all that stuff in the first place. That's why they've given up fighting and how stability was restored: they didn't stand a chance.
But how did the expensive infrastructure needed to build all that high-tech stuff get developed in a poor and warlord-plauged nation? You don't see, for example, Cambodia or any African dump of a country building fleets of tanks and fighter planes to begin with, much less advanced ones.

And again, how did the FTO not notice this rapid buildup of technology?
Oh, I get it. I'm a duchy, which means I'm a helpless third-world shithole by default.

Great. This is becoming less and less attractive to me as you continue to methodically limit my options after the fact. :x

But whatever. What do you suggest I get rid of? All the cool stuff? Can I even have an organized military with better than 1st-gen gear, or would that be too much for a shithole duchy?
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Ryan Thunder wrote: Oh, I get it. I'm a duchy, which means I'm a helpless third-world shithole by default.
It's not that being a duchy makes you a helpless third-world nation by default. It's that your background is totally implausible.
But whatever. What do you suggest I get rid of? All the cool stuff? Can I even have an organized military with better than 1st-gen gear, or would that be too much for a shithole duchy?
You could have an organized military with a good deal of fairly modern gear. What would not be plausible to have a massive high-tech weapons industry. The former would still be surprising to the FTO, but not as implausible.
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If people will tell me where they are in Frequeseque, I'll make an accurate map and post it up in the maps thread, because with all due respect to the maker, the current one isn't terribly useful...
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Ryan Thunder wrote: Oh, I get it. I'm a duchy, which means I'm a helpless third-world shithole by default.
It's not that being a duchy makes you a helpless third-world nation by default. It's that your background is totally implausible.
Alright. I note (OOC) that you have submarines off the southern coast of Frequesque. Where the hell are you?
But whatever. What do you suggest I get rid of? All the cool stuff? Can I even have an organized military with better than 1st-gen gear, or would that be too much for a shithole duchy?
You could have an organized military with a good deal of fairly modern gear. What would not be plausible to have a massive high-tech weapons industry. The former would still be surprising to the FTO, but not as implausible.
So this pretty much means my military will be heavily slanted towards the army for now. What does it limit my airforce to?
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Ryan Thunder wrote:But whatever. What do you suggest I get rid of? All the cool stuff? Can I even have an organized military with better than 1st-gen gear, or would that be too much for a shithole duchy?
Dude - I play as a 'shithole Duchy', and I have nukes and space-planes. It's not that you can't have all sorts of cool stuff, it's that you have to find some plausible way to get your hands on it. Being a Duchy means you have to be slightly more creative than the Great Powers, who can more easily get away with just declaring awesome gadgets.

I don't mind your SR-71s (in fact, it'd be awesome for the FTO to get its hands on a bunch of those); it's just that it's a bit odd for a small(ish) nation that's come straight out of any sort of serious civil upheaval to have them. Now, if your state has been isolationist for a long time, with the warlords being nothing but a nuisance (as in, "rag-tag bands of annoying assholes from the northern jungles" instead of "potentially nation-wracking forces of evil") the problem has already gone away.
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Ryan Thunder wrote: Alright. I note (OOC) that you have submarines off the southern coast of Frequesque. Where the hell are you?
The northeasternmost Frequesuean nation.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:But whatever. What do you suggest I get rid of? All the cool stuff? Can I even have an organized military with better than 1st-gen gear, or would that be too much for a shithole duchy?
Dude - I play as a 'shithole Duchy', and I have nukes and space-planes. It's not that you can't have all sorts of cool stuff, it's that you have to find some plausible way to get your hands on it. Being a Duchy means you have to be slightly more creative than the Great Powers, who can more easily get away with just declaring awesome gadgets.

I don't mind your SR-71s (in fact, it'd be awesome for the FTO to get its hands on a bunch of those); it's just that it's a bit odd for a small(ish) nation that's come straight out of any sort of serious civil upheaval to have them. Now, if your state has been isolationist for a long time, with the warlords being nothing but a nuisance (as in, "rag-tag bands of annoying assholes from the northern jungles" instead of "potentially nation-wracking forces of evil") the problem has already gone away.
It's a matter of rag-tag bands of annoying assholes from the north (as you so eloquently put it :D) causing enough trouble that it did indeed take the focus of the entire country to deal with it. A Civil War, of sorts, but the losing side lost because it was divided and split amongst several relatively tiny and isolated cities in the north. Some were won over, others were destroyed, and I've marked both on my map. They haven't been entirely destroyed, mind, there are people living there, but they're very poor. For the moment, there's a large make-work project to rebuild houses that were destroyed in the fighting.

This is also why I'm selling weapons; the infrastructure already exists, I might as well make use of it.

When I think about it, if I have the scale of this place right, those Spectres won't be very useful to me anyways. They're on the drawing board. If somebody wants them, I'm willing to produce them. Should take me a month to get the production line going after you ask, however, and then a month or two per plane.

If you want a few on the quick, I'll have to build more factories. The job market isn't the greatest at the moment thanks to the war, and I'd like to have safer jobs for my people than logging and clearing rubble, so you're welcome to do so. :P
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Ah, I see, that clears things up quite a bit. And so another weapons manufacturer springs up on our tiny little continent. The market is getting crowded... Tell you what though, although I'm not immediately interested in the SR-71 the San Dorado (that's the weird yellow peninsula in the north-west, in case you're wondering) megacorporation Ralson Concerns LTD certainly is interested in taking over a bunch of those Spectre factories, or at least buying a significant stake in whoever manufactures them. Would that be possible? I'm sure there's a market for a B-71 somewhere... :D
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Dude, you ain't gonna sell Beowulf any 8x30mm rifles/pistols when his entire military uses the 6.8 MESS...

EDIT: And what the hell kind of a weird-ass caliber is that, anyway? It's like a long pistol round. Much heavier than the standard intermediary cartridge, and with half the cartridge lenght? WTF?
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PeZook wrote:Dude, you ain't gonna sell Beowulf any 8x30mm rifles/pistols when his entire military uses the 6.8 MESS...
Indeed. And realisticly, if we all felt a reason to change over, we'd probably be much faster at equipping all of our nations than he could possibly do so.

BTW PeZook, you ever going to fix your sig? :P Oh yeah, and your little thing with SiegeTank was reminding me of those old sitcoms, using the exact same establishing shot over, and over, and over... :wink:
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RogueIce wrote: Indeed. And realisticly, if we all felt a reason to change over, we'd probably be much faster at equipping all of our nations than he could possibly do so.
Not to mention...think of the public outcry if the MESS suddendly decided to order ten million rifles from an offshore manufacturer.

Can you say "union strikes"? :)
RogueIce wrote:BTW PeZook, you ever going to fix your sig? :P
It can wait :)

I wanted to change it, anyway...
RogueIce wrote:Oh yeah, and your little thing with SiegeTank was reminding me of those old sitcoms, using the exact same establishing shot over, and over, and over... :wink:
These were nice shots, so bugger off ;)

And what, you just noticed it now, when i've been using the Wawel Castle for all my "Orena, Royal Palace" posts for, like, two months? :P
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PeZook wrote:Not to mention...think of the public outcry if the MESS suddendly decided to order ten million rifles from an offshore manufacturer.

Can you say "union strikes"? :)
It would piss off the unions? Fuck, maybe we should do this... :mrgreen:
PeZook wrote:It can wait :)

I wanted to change it, anyway...
You could always take out the broken code and not look like a n00b. :P
PeZook wrote:These were nice shots, so bugger off :wink:

And what, you just noticed it now, when i've been using the Wawel Castle for all my "Orena, Royal Palace" posts for, like, two months? :P
I'm the leader of a Great Power with a vast intelligence agency at my disposal.

So yes. :wink:
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The thing with my sig is that I can't get the damn thing to work, so until I figure it out, it will have to look like this (or variations thereof)
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Alright. I note (OOC) that you have submarines off the southern coast of Frequesque. Where the hell are you?
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By the way, everybody, I thought Tian Xia was actually what appears to be the Imperial Estates of Westchester. My mistake. There's no way in hell I can equip that army in any reasonable time period. Sorry, but the offer has to be withdrawn for what must be rather obvious reasons. XD
SiegeTank wrote:Ah, I see, that clears things up quite a bit. And so another weapons manufacturer springs up on our tiny little continent. The market is getting crowded... Tell you what though, although I'm not immediately interested in the SR-71 the San Dorado (that's the weird yellow peninsula in the north-west, in case you're wondering) megacorporation Ralson Concerns LTD certainly is interested in taking over a bunch of those Spectre factories, or at least buying a significant stake in whoever manufactures them. Would that be possible? I'm sure there's a market for a B-71 somewhere... :D
I have one government-operated Spectre factory. One problem, however, is that it's in a military base. If you want to use the facility my personnel will have to operate and maintain it, and you'll have to pay them to do that. Other than not actually being allowed to go in the facility, however, you will have control of it. :)

So, if you're still interested, make me an offer.
PeZook wrote:Dude, you ain't gonna sell Beowulf any 8x30mm rifles/pistols when his entire military uses the 6.8 MESS...

EDIT: And what the hell kind of a weird-ass caliber is that, anyway? It's like a long pistol round. Much heavier than the standard intermediary cartridge, and with half the cartridge lenght? WTF?
I figured regular cartridges would be harder to fit in a pistol clip, hence the shorter cartridge.

Really, I just pulled it out of my ass, though. I have no idea how such things work. Would that even be a good idea?
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PeZook wrote:Dude, you ain't gonna sell Beowulf any 8x30mm rifles/pistols when his entire military uses the 6.8 MESS...
Besides, I am manufacturing assault rifles for Beowulf already :). This piece of kit right here, the Type 09:

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Made in San Dorado, baby! :D
Ryan Thunder wrote:I have one government-operated Spectre factory. One problem, however, is that it's in a military base. If you want to use the facility my personnel will have to operate and maintain it, and you'll have to pay them to do that. Other than not actually being allowed to go in the facility, however, you will have control of it.

So, if you're still interested, make me an offer.
That'd be one bizarre situation... Owning a factory yet not being allowed to actually enter it, I think that'd be a first even for Sam Ralson ;). If we're going to own the place we'll want some way of enforcing a modicum of control over what goes on inside. So, I'll need to have some civilian oversight at the plant (meaning, Ralson Concerns will want one of its managers on the spot), or we'll have to move the plant to some mutually agreeable place. We'd be willing to pay for that though. In the spirit of cooperation, let's say the Ralson Concerns LTD subdivision Ralson Arms takes a majority stake in the factory, with your government owning the remaining (significant) majority shares... Let's say a 60-40% split of stocks?

Further, we keep the factory in Miratia, guaranteeing employment by Miratians, and Ralson will send a bunch of techies and engineers to work with your people on designing next-gen aircraft. I'm sure we can use your expertise for the space program, and stuff.

So, we get a controlling share in the SR-71 analogue factory; you get to keep the plant on your territory, are paid an undisclosed but significant amount of money courtesty of Sam Ralson, and some of San Dorado's aerospace expertise gets proliferated to your country. Oh, and if you join the FTO, we'll let you use the Camp Kittyhawk Rocketfields launch facilities to launch rockets and satellites at a discount. And you get to buy the Silver Streak manned orbiter, if you want to. How's that sound?
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Beowulf wrote:First off, I'm much, much bigger than you. Second, I'm part of the largest military-economic pact in the game. If I do decide to outsource military production, I'd probably be for much better reasons than just for the hell of it.
I can manufacture the weaponry for you, and since its modular, you don't need to buy as much of it as you might have to otherwise, so it ends up being cheaper than buying non-modular weapons.

All rifles and pistols use the same type of ammunition, and so their magazines are mutually compatible (8x30 mm). Shipments would include shotguns, various special ammunition for these shotguns (slug, buckshot, flechette, fuel-air, etc.), auxiliary shotguns, auxiliary grenade launchers (and 40mm grenades for them, of course), machine pistols, service pistols, and assault rifles that can be converted to carbines or light machine guns.

Buy enough, and you'll give me reason to build a few more factories (I currently have two) so I'll be able to get them to you faster.

I would suggest you purchase a sample of 400 convertible rifles (plus parts for conversion, of course), plus 100 auxiliary grenade launchers, 100 auxiliary shotguns, and some 40000 rounds of 8x30mm ammunition.

Sure, it'd be a bit more expensive than buying 400 assault rifles, but you can give them to a fireteam and then have them convert one of them to a SAW, make another guy a grenadier, etc, without needing to send them loads of additional equipment. If the gunner's gun is lost, you can convert another rifle. This means your troops are flexible, able to absorb losses more fluidly.
Rifles and pistols using the same ammunition is a horrible idea. A round designed to perform well with a 20 inch long barrel performs horribly out of a 3 inch barrel. The flexibility sounds great, but doing it in the field isn't really a good idea. Parts tend to get lost. In any case, I've already started a small arms replacement program. Initial batch of weapons has been awarded to Ralson Arms of San Dorado, firing 6.8 MESS. Later batches may be chambered in a round currently in development.

In any case, small arms just aren't that exciting.
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RogueIce wrote: Indeed. And realisticly, if we all felt a reason to change over, we'd probably be much faster at equipping all of our nations than he could possibly do so.
Not to mention...think of the public outcry if the MESS suddendly decided to order ten million rifles from an offshore manufacturer.

Can you say "union strikes"? :)
Actually, lawsuits. Lessee: Springfield vs the Department of Peace.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:By the way, everybody, I thought Tian Xia was actually what appears to be the Imperial Estates of Westchester. My mistake. There's no way in hell I can equip that army in any reasonable time period. Sorry, but the offer has to be withdrawn for what must be rather obvious reasons. XD
Actually, it's both. And the map is out of date (as another example, the "Border States" are now actually part of the USSR, having been annexed*).

Westchester was a former colony of Tian Xia, then they were made a semi-autonomous province of Tian Xia again, and now they've been fully reintegrated as an actual province of Tian Xia.

So it is, indeed, part of Tian Xia, if rather removed from the mainland. I suppose it's like a merge of the US states of Alaska and Hawaii, in that it is seperated by an ocean yet shares land borders with other nations. Incidently, we have an Alaska but they're a soverign nation.

* How's that annexation going, anyway? I know they wouldn't just be happy happy about it. And I image there's still the possibilty of trouble over there. Trouble that can't be handwaved away like Zord did over in, uh, that place in Velaria. Just saying, if y'all are hard up for plotlines.

Hell, I might even make something up. Not as backed by my nation or anything, but as a "ha ha screw Shady" kind of thing. :D
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SiegeTank wrote:
Ryan Thunder wrote:I have one government-operated Spectre factory. One problem, however, is that it's in a military base. If you want to use the facility my personnel will have to operate and maintain it, and you'll have to pay them to do that. Other than not actually being allowed to go in the facility, however, you will have control of it.

So, if you're still interested, make me an offer.
That'd be one bizarre situation... Owning a factory yet not being allowed to actually enter it, I think that'd be a first even for Sam Ralson ;). If we're going to own the place we'll want some way of enforcing a modicum of control over what goes on inside. So, I'll need to have some civilian oversight at the plant (meaning, Ralson Concerns will want one of its managers on the spot), or we'll have to move the plant to some mutually agreeable place. We'd be willing to pay for that though. In the spirit of cooperation, let's say the Ralson Concerns LTD subdivision Ralson Arms takes a majority stake in the factory, with your government owning the remaining (significant) majority shares... Let's say a 60-40% split of stocks?

Further, we keep the factory in Miratia, guaranteeing employment by Miratians, and Ralson will send a bunch of techies and engineers to work with your people on designing next-gen aircraft. I'm sure we can use your expertise for the space program, and stuff.

So, we get a controlling share in the SR-71 analogue factory; you get to keep the plant on your territory, are paid an undisclosed but significant amount of money courtesty of Sam Ralson, and some of San Dorado's aerospace expertise gets proliferated to your country. Oh, and if you join the FTO, we'll let you use the Camp Kittyhawk Rocketfields launch facilities to launch rockets and satellites at a discount. And you get to buy the Silver Streak manned orbiter, if you want to. How's that sound?
Good. If I want to buy Spectres from you in future, I'd like to have a provision to requisition them at a near break-even pricing, provided I order no more than 2 per year, say. If I go over that you can charge market price. Does that sound reasonable to you?
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Good. If I want to buy Spectres from you in future, I'd like to have a provision to requisition them at a near break-even pricing, provided I order no more than 2 per year, say. If I go over that you can charge market price. Does that sound reasonable to you?
It's more than reasonable: It sounds like an excellent deal to me. We'll be sending over some people to liaise with your people, and Sam Ralson will be looking forward to doing more business with Miratia in the future!

[OOC: Holy shit, in one day I opened up two major Old Continent markets for SinTEK and bought a Blackbird-factory. How's that for Big Business? :lol: I love megacorporate wheeling and dealing!]
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RogueIce wrote:Actually, it's both. And the map is out of date (as another example, the "Border States" are now actually part of the USSR, having been annexed*)
Yeah, I'll get around to fixing that as soon as I stop feeling like shit.
RogueIce wrote:* How's that annexation going, anyway? I know they wouldn't just be happy happy about it. And I image there's still the possibilty of trouble over there. Trouble that can't be handwaved away like Zord did over in, uh, that place in Velaria. Just saying, if y'all are hard up for plotlines.
That place is seriously full of sheep, they handled becoming a protectorate, to becoming a colony, to an autonomous province and now to a regular province, they really should have revolted at some point.
RogueIce wrote:Hell, I might even make something up. Not as backed by my nation or anything, but as a "ha ha screw Shady" kind of thing. :D
Well, I have some ideas for an interesting story.
SiegeTank wrote: It's more than reasonable: It sounds like an excellent deal to me. We'll be sending over some people to liaise with your people, and Sam Ralson will be looking forward to doing more business with Miratia in the future!

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OOCing and OOC comment, what, does that mean you are in some sort of metaphysical state? ;)
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Karmic Knight wrote:OOCing and OOC comment, what, does that mean you are in some sort of metaphysical state? ;)
Laissez-Faire Zen ;)
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Karmic Knight wrote:Well, I have some ideas for an interesting story.
By all means, go for it. If my Rangataran intervention is any indication, relying on me (of all people) to start some story is a Bad Idea. :wink:

Or maybe I should use the :oops: emoticon?
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SiegeTank wrote:
PeZook wrote:Dude, you ain't gonna sell Beowulf any 8x30mm rifles/pistols when his entire military uses the 6.8 MESS...
Besides, I am manufacturing assault rifles for Beowulf already :). This piece of kit right here, the Type 09:
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I'll tell you what; my engineers can develop a bullpup version of that rifle for you.

That should offer similar accuracy in a smaller package. What would that be worth to you and Beowulf?
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