Another idiot slapped down, by me.

LordShaithis · Post by **LordShaithis** » 2003-02-02 04:32am

I love having AOL. Morons practically run up to you and demand a smackdown. I noticed this one making an ass of itself in an atheism chat room, and decided to just send an instant message. The conversation below picks up where it gets good..........

WindupAtheist: Go read your Old Testament. God is not so good.
Passfamily77: I am sorry you feel that way
WindupAtheist: Well look, in the OT, God orders women and childred to be put to death. Is that good?
Passfamily77: where does it say that

WindupAtheist: Hold on, I'll get you a verse reference.
Passfamily77: ok
WindupAtheist: Judges 21:10 through 21:12
WindupAtheist: And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.

WindupAtheist: 1 Samuel 15:3 -- Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.
Passfamily77: When God was invloved with the earth as he was, he believed in strict law but he no longer interfers with our life since he told noah he would not flood the earth again
WindupAtheist: He ordered women and CHILDREN to be put to DEATH. That isn't "strict law" that's insanity. There are other verses where he orders people to EAT the flesh of their children. Would you like links to those?
Passfamily77: yes I would
Passfamily77: When all those infants were killed they went to heaven. If they would have lived they would have lived in sin all their lives.

WindupAtheist: EZEK 5:8-10; JER 19:9; DEUT 28:53; For starters. There's a lot of cannibalism in the bible.
WindupAtheist: Oh wow, I guess it was so merciful of God to have the Israelites throw down little kids and stab them with swords. *snickers* Right. That's just sick.
WindupAtheist: Do you have any kids, nephews, whatever? Imagine them in their place, and tell me if that "They would have lived in sin" excuse really works.
Passfamily77: i do not have to because God no longer does those things. I also think you need to read the whole book in the bible instead of bits of versus and you will understand better.
WindupAtheist: I need to read it? Buddy, I'm the one throwing verses at you. You didn't even know this stuff was in here until tonight.
WindupAtheist: Oh right, you don't have to think about it because luckily, god stopped ordering the killing of children before you were born.
WindupAtheist: Funny, but there seem to be some folks from the Middle East who think god is telling THEM to kill people.
WindupAtheist: Look at those verses I sent, at look at the middle east today, and you'll see that it hasn't really changed all that much over there. "God told me to kill my enemies and their children!" Same deal.
Passfamily77: You are talking about Binladen, the guy is a loone. The religion that he believes in is quite beautiful, but he uses it to gather up people to kill other for "their beliefs". If you listen on the news the leaders of that religion despise Binladen for carryiing out false beliefs within their religion.
WindupAtheist: Were Moses and David also "loons" then? As you can see, like Bin Laden, they too thought God wanted them to kill children.
Passfamily77: God did, to test their faith and if you recall in the bible it sais God stopped them before they could complete the ritual, like I said read the all the pages not just versus.
WindupAtheist: What ritual? I'm talking about the Israelite campaign to take the "promised" land. The children WERE killed.
WindupAtheist: These were orders being given going into battle.
Passfamily77: I just thought about this, I am not Jewish so I do not follow the rituals of the OT. I follow the NT and consider the OT the history of God and his first peoples. I have nothing to argue to you about the OT. You are finding things in the bible that were done differently than today.
WindupAtheist: But it's all the same God. You've said so yourself tonight. Furthermore, Jesus believed in the OT himself, so it makes no difference.
WindupAtheist: He claimed to be the son of that same Jewish god, for crying out loud!
Passfamily77: Jesus believed in peace, love for thy neghbor, he contridicted many beliefs of the genereations before him. God is and was doing what he knows is best and I will not challenge it.
Passfamily77: He had his reasons for doing things and if you don't think it was wrong then go ahead and believe that but it is not wise.
WindupAtheist: God ordered people to kill and devour their own children. It's right there in your Bible, and Jesus claimed to be the son of this murderer. If you're so brainwashed you think cannibalism is okay, then I pity you. But don't go around accusing others of being "immoral" for not believing the same.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-02-02 07:19am

I've had a discussion with two fundamentalist morons on IRC two days ago. It was really similar, only they defended OT atrocities - one even claimed that God didn't kill those people, he just "withdrew his protection". Of course, when I asked how that makes God different from a racketeer, my question was ignored.

There was alot of good stuff there, like them claiming that human eyeball isn't really built "wrong", because hooking up the optical nerve upside-down is only a flaw in my perception...

And the token arguments against evolution theory - it's just a theory, how do you explain that there were SOME forgeries, lots of claims pulled out of their asses (science can't explain the fact that Mt. Ararat is covered with vulcanic resin! It is therefore proof of a worldwide flood!) about real life facts, and of course the standard tripe about The Great Scientific Conspiracy. Better yet, when I asked why those poor opressed "notable scientists" that have proof for creation theory can't simply move to another country and publish their revelations in one of the numerous scientific journals, or at least go to the tabloids, they claimed that scientists are not ALLOWED to leave by their colleagues....

Too bad this whole thing was in Polish, or i'd post it here

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-02 12:58pm

Ive had pretty much that same argument with my mom. effective reply - I need to read the rest of the bible. my thot is, promises of niceness dont mean much when your burning cities indiscriminately, eh?

dont have anything gainst cannablisim. if your dead and Im hungry, well, you look delicious my love.

Artanis · Post by **Artanis** » 2003-02-02 01:29pm

Fundie wrote:The religion that he believes in is quite beautiful, but he uses it to gather up people to kill other for "their beliefs"

*coughCRUSADEScough*

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-02-02 01:48pm

I find it funny when they justify the slaying of babies by saying they went to Heaven after being killed. They're basically saying that Biblical doctrine can be used to justify abortion and infanticide right there, and they proibably don't even know it.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-02 02:29pm

PeZook wrote:I've had a discussion with two fundamentalist morons on IRC two days ago. It was really similar, only they defended OT atrocities - one even claimed that God didn't kill those people, he just "withdrew his protection". Of course, when I asked how that makes God different from a racketeer, my question was ignored.

Dude, it all makes sense now. God's a gangster. He gives "protection" just like the mob. Give him shit and he'll "protect" you. Pure extortion.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-02-02 02:39pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I find it funny when they justify the slaying of babies by saying they went to Heaven after being killed. They're basically saying that Biblical doctrine can be used to justify abortion and infanticide right there, and they proibably don't even know it.

Not abortion - the baby has to be baptised first, right?

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-02-02 02:44pm

Not abortion - the baby has to be baptised first, right?

The ones the Israelites slaughtered in the bible were not. So - since fundies claim that they went to heaven, you can abort babies.

BUT, they will claim that only God has the right to kill and maim people at will, since he created life. I say we make a slave race using genetic engineering and see what fundies say about them

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-02-02 03:01pm

PeZook wrote:
Not abortion - the baby has to be baptised first, right?
The ones the Israelites slaughtered in the bible were not. So - since fundies claim that they went to heaven, you can abort babies.

BUT, they will claim that only God has the right to kill and maim people at will, since he created life. I say we make a slave race using genetic engineering and see what fundies say about them

<FUNDIE>
Humans shouldn't be playing God! Its not right!
</FUNDIE>
That is the response you should expect

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-02 03:40pm

PeZook wrote:
Not abortion - the baby has to be baptised first, right?
The ones the Israelites slaughtered in the bible were not. So - since fundies claim that they went to heaven, you can abort babies.

BUT, they will claim that only God has the right to kill and maim people at will, since he created life. I say we make a slave race using genetic engineering and see what fundies say about them

And we create our children. Thus, it is our right to kill and maim them, just like God.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-02-02 04:07pm

No Neoolong, we're all children of God. We are all his, he's just letting us borrow our bodies.

PeZook · Post by **PeZook** » 2003-02-02 04:11pm

neoolong wrote:
PeZook wrote:
Not abortion - the baby has to be baptised first, right?
The ones the Israelites slaughtered in the bible were not. So - since fundies claim that they went to heaven, you can abort babies.

BUT, they will claim that only God has the right to kill and maim people at will, since he created life. I say we make a slave race using genetic engineering and see what fundies say about them
And we create our children. Thus, it is our right to kill and maim them, just like God.

No, no. According to fundies, it is GOD who creates our children. And remember - you've got free will. As long as you believe in God, do everything God says, attribute everything that's happening in life to God and think that God steers everything.

Yup, other than that, you've got full, 100% free will

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-02 08:48pm

lmao@pezook. that's brilliant.

Lord_Xerxes · Post by **Lord_Xerxes** » 2003-02-02 10:43pm

PeZook wrote:I've had a discussion with two fundamentalist morons on IRC two days ago. It was really similar, only they defended OT atrocities - one even claimed that God didn't kill those people, he just "withdrew his protection". Of course, when I asked how that makes God different from a racketeer, my question was ignored.

I had a similiar arguement (of sorts) with a Fundy on Yahell the other night. Actually, I was testing out the effectiveness of the Ulitimate Awnuld sound board on the morons in Voice Chat when I clicked a room labeled "Fight Room". In the room, there was an arguement going on about abortion. I caught the Fundy saying something about "Well in the OT it says......" And so I asked him if he believed in the OT. He said yes. Then I asked him if he did so, how could be believe in a god that ordered genocide, the killing of children, raping of virgin's, etc in the same pages.

You know how he responded? He didn't. He put me on ignore and left the room.

I.E. putting his hands over ears and saying "I'M NOT LISTENING!"