T:SCC 2x12 "Alpine Fields"

[PREDATOR490]

Incidentally, I am royally pissed off with the blurb this episode has.

"Jesse's life hangs in the balance"

What a load of cock-teasing bullshit.
Not only is it a lame tease, it happens to be a FALSE tease. We KNOW she isnt going to die, just like we know Derek isnt going to die in any future flashback which makes the people who thought this up a bunch of dicks because it suggests [present] Jesse was the one in ACTUAL danger rather than [future] Jesse who obviously cant die. In addition, this episode would seem to suggest the idea of divergent timelines unless Lorrain ? pretended not to know who Derek was when she met him in the future isolation room. If the latter is true then it is yet another indication of how fucked up the Time-Traveling is getting between Skynet and the Resistance.
Even when they think they are changing things they are only doing what has been done before in which case, Judgement Day IS inevitable unless they drop the future pretense bullshit and start literally fighting NOW.

Which is what the original premise of the show was to begin with and the mission they were on. For a time they seemed to be getting it right, Derek shot Andy Goodman afterall which clearly HAS made a change since a dead Andy Goodman cant be around to confess to Derek when he is locked up. Now they are following a list of names written on a wall in blood by a guy which seems to lead them in a direction that has the most resistance while ensuring key characters in a timeline that SHOULD have been changed by now remain in place.
A.K.A
They get to the Nuke Plant JUST to stop the Terminator (But that plant is now going to be in the hands of automated systems)
They get to Bidell JUST as a Terminator comes after him (But convince him to stay in the Academy like he was 'supposed' to)

Personnally, I am expecting some sort of reveal which shows that this is a ploy from Skynet to trick the Connors into becoming it's creators and making sure key events remain in it's favour while making the Connors think they are 'winning' then taking them out once it gets what it needs.
The alternative is a ploy from unknown faction(s) to try and steer events their way although this seems a bit more complicated to me.

Skynet - Sends back Weaver + Jesse / Riley (Perhaps unknowingly)

John Connor - Sends back Derek + Cameron

With the constant chess match - time war going on this seems more likely to me.
We have Skynet making a move followed by the Resistance making a counter move through time and so on.
Thus Skynet as a chessmaster starts to anticipate Resistance moves like it would in a match and is 'sacrificing' Terminators while having Weaver silently working in the background to take over the Nuke Plant etc.

OR

Skynet - Sends back all these random Terminators

John Connor - Sends back Derek + Cameron

Resistance Faction - Sends back Jesse + Riley

Terminator / Turk Faction - Either sends back Weaver or Weaver is secretly a member of this faction while Skynet sends her back on another mission

From my understanding, this situation gets pretty messy due to the time travel dynamics. Jesse claims to be trying to undo [present] Cameron's influence on a future John that technically shouldnt exist yet and [future] Cameron shouldnt BE there because she is with the [present] John.
How can Jesse know that [future] Cameron was sent back in time and that she was with [present] John, let alone know when to come back to find them and undo [present] Cameron's influence ?
If she knew to come back to that point then shouldnt she already be in a future which has changed because instead of being 44 by 2027, Connor will now be 36 due to the future time jump they did and only then will Jesse have experienced the influence [present] Cameron has had on him ?
Logically, this entire series of time travel seems impossible. Jesse cannot be from an alternate future AND have access to information like knowing Derek from another version of a future without going into 'magic' abilities or alternate realities. Adding the Turk to the mix makes it even more impossible since Weaver was in play before Jesse came back, hence Jesse should be from a future where Weaver's acquisition of the Turk will have altered history and thus Jesse should come from a future with a different version of Skynet which once again makes the idea of her being from the same future as Derek impossible because it seems highly unlikely Skynet will fight exactly the same as a 'ten commandment' driven Turk.

[Shroom Man 777]

The girl recognized Derek in the future, obviously.

[Thanas]

Is it mentioned how much in terms of weapons that Sarah and company have left? Because it seemed odd that Sarah and Cameron went to save the family and knew that they might come across a terminator, and didn't pack something that would be effective against terminators. Something like the grenade launcher that Derek does have, or the Barrett he used earlier.

Yeah, I agree with that. However, if we assume the six months earlier takes part before "Mr. Ferguson is Ill Today", then there is no reason to assume they did ask Derek for weapons before. Notice how Cameron said "John was supposed to ask". I bet Derek is territorial about his pretty toys.

Well if this episode is out of order, then it might be they are running out of heavy equipment. I would imagine it is rather difficult for them to get their hands on that kind of stuff while staying under the radar and using it unnoticed would be even harder. That said, Cameron's recent success with the previous Terminators might be making her get a little cocky and Sarah expects her to be able to handle it without bringing the heavy gear. Needless to say, after this episode I would expect that to rapidly change.

No, Cameron getting cocky makes little sense, considering the six months timejump.

On further though of Cameron's knock out, the simplest explanation could be that the damage to Cameron's chip has compromised her, we know that it can and has done so in the past to the point that even Cromartie was able to conclude she was damaged from her mistakes. Hence, if the chip is physically damaged then enough physical damage / trauma during a fight may knock her out due to the chip being fucked up which means the more damage she takes, the more fucked the chip is going to get. That could make for an interesting arc along the show in line with her becoming more human. She becomes more human the more she loses being a Terminator through damage to her chip and programming.

I doubt that. There is no reason to speculate about damage to her chip, considering that everything we have seen is consistent with Terminators being stunned by hard impacts. Also, at this point Cameron had been fighting for quite some time, so it is only logical to assume it was wear-and-tear and the especially hard impact that did her in instead of damage to her chip.

The girl recognized Derek in the future, obviously.

Really? When?

In addition, this episode would seem to suggest the idea of divergent timelines unless Lorrain ? pretended not to know who Derek was when she met him in the future isolation room. If the latter is true then it is yet another indication of how fucked up the Time-Traveling is getting between Skynet and the Resistance.

No. You are making the mistake of assuming Derek's memory is altered as well. What we saw were his memories from the unaltered timeline, which is what happens everytime. Note the Fischer episode?

Even when they think they are changing things they are only doing what has been done before in which case, Judgement Day IS inevitable unless they drop the future pretense bullshit and start literally fighting NOW.

Since it seems you are basing this on a false premise, I doubt that this is applicable.

Which is what the original premise of the show was to begin with and the mission they were on. For a time they seemed to be getting it right, Derek shot Andy Goodman afterall which clearly HAS made a change since a dead Andy Goodman cant be around to confess to Derek when he is locked up. Now they are following a list of names written on a wall in blood by a guy which seems to lead them in a direction that has the most resistance while ensuring key characters in a timeline that SHOULD have been changed by now remain in place.

Andy Goode managed to confess to Derek in the unaltered timeline. So that still applies.

A.K.A
They get to the Nuke Plant JUST to stop the Terminator (But that plant is now going to be in the hands of automated systems)
They get to Bidell JUST as a Terminator comes after him (But convince him to stay in the Academy like he was 'supposed' to)

Personnally, I am expecting some sort of reveal which shows that this is a ploy from Skynet to trick the Connors into becoming it's creators and making sure key events remain in it's favour while making the Connors think they are 'winning' then taking them out once it gets what it needs.

No, I doubt that. Everything that happened was a net loss to Skynet, really. Bidell survived. The Nuke Plant wasn't blown up, Weaver has it. Whether that is in favor of Skynet is not sure, but really, all that happened was that it made the capture by the resistance harder, not impossible.

From my understanding, this situation gets pretty messy due to the time travel dynamics. Jesse claims to be trying to undo [present] Cameron's influence on a future John that technically shouldnt exist yet and [future] Cameron shouldnt BE there because she is with the [present] John.

No, you are reading into her words there. For all we know, Jessie tries to prevent Cameron to get even more influence before she was sent back. Cameron having that much influence is not really at odds with her being sent back. Alternatively, we know that Jessie is from an altered future. Maybe her future is one where JDay occured and Cameron formed the resistance with John together?

How can Jesse know that [future] Cameron was sent back in time and that she was with [present] John, let alone know when to come back to find them and undo [present] Cameron's influence ?

The lab tech presumably has access to chronoport records and well, we do not know for how long Jessie has been there. She might just as well have come back earlier and simply waited. She seemed very at home when Derek met her, which suggests she has spent at least enough time to fit in and set up her enterprise.

If she knew to come back to that point then shouldnt she already be in a future which has changed because instead of being 44 by 2027, Connor will now be 36 due to the future time jump they did and only then will Jesse have experienced the influence [present] Cameron has had on him ?

Maybe, but not really the only option.

Logically, this entire series of time travel seems impossible. Jesse cannot be from an alternate future AND have access to information like knowing Derek from another version of a future without going into 'magic' abilities or alternate realities.

Why not?

Adding the Turk to the mix makes it even more impossible since Weaver was in play before Jesse came back

How do you know that?

hence Jesse should be from a future where Weaver's acquisition of the Turk will have altered history and thus Jesse should come from a future with a different version of Skynet which once again makes the idea of her being from the same future as Derek impossible because it seems highly unlikely Skynet will fight exactly the same as a 'ten commandment' driven Turk.

That assumes there will be a ten commandment driven Turk, as we do not know how it will turn out.

Furthermore, why would Jesse come from a future with a different version of Skynet? For all we know, all that is different in her version of the future is that Fischer tortured Derek. That is the only thing we know that is different in her future from the future of Derek.

[Shroom Man 777]

Really? When?

Brave Little Girl recognized Derek in The Future. I presume Bedell recognized him too, or something... which is why we see Future Bedell willing to do a suicide run into the Ogre to save John Connor's life. Payback time!

I wasn't talking about Immune Baby Girl.



I think Cameron's damage was a factor in her abnormally long down time. She IS damaged, she does suffer from wear and tear, she knows it and we know she "feels" bad about having something wrong with her. That's why she compensates by going super killy when taking on Pretzel and Strak and even Cromartie, when she fights them she can't afford to do the usual Terminator things because she is already at a disadvantage, she has to play dirty, she moves fast and she tries really hard and gives it 110% and uses everything and anything at her disposal. Because she knows if she doesn't, then she'll be at a severe disadvantage and she doesn't want to fail her mission (which is already jeopardized).

It's just too bad that in this case, she had nothing to exploit. So she ran him over with a car.


I think Cameron did kill this Trip 8. In Derek's phone call to Sarah, he asked "did she kill the Trip 8?" or something. He said "she" when talking to Sarah, referring to Cameron. But, I don't know. It sounded like "did she" but it might as well be just "did you". But how could Sarah kill a Terminator?

[Lord Relvenous]

But how could Sarah kill a Terminator?

High explosives, causing a reboot then lobotized it, high caliber weapons, ect. She's been resourceful in the past. Such as the trap on the front door. That could've maybe worked.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, she probably had Cameron with her. And Derek did say "did she (kill it)..." when talking to Sarah on the cellphone, referencing Cameron perhaps.


On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it. While John? He's got a mom and a protector cyborg and he's brushing them off and stuff.

The next episode worries me. What the hell happened to Turtle Ellison? Has he gone totally fucking mad? Holy crap... Skynet is a god's childrens!

And I totally hope Cameron gives Riley a bionic bitch slap!

[PREDATOR490]

Since the Turk is meant to be Skynet, then Weaver taking control of the Turk directly affects Skynet's future hence she changed the future just by acquiring the Turk in the first place. Nevermind what she is subjecting it too which would lead to a different kind of Skynet than the one we have seen so far. Unless this is what was MEANT to happen, in which case we have a pre-destination paradox with Skynet just like John Connor has with Kyle Reese.

Cameron IS physically damaged, simple as that. We know for a fact the chip is damaged and the amount of beatings she has taken should have left a toll on her. The skin may heal but the Endoskeleton cannot thus all those bumps, cuts, gunshots will accumulate and potentially begin to hamper her performance. In the case of the chip, a piece of metal went straight through the back of her head to damage the chip, that hole should still be there because they dont have the resources to repair her properly and attempting to do so would go against her mission to prevent any chance of Terminator tech falling into human hands.

If Jesse is from an alternate future then how can she know a version of history she never experienced ?
It is a logical paradox, in order for Jesse to be from the same time period as Derek she must have come back before Connor and co. did their future time jump otherwise the future she came from would automatically cease to exist. John Connor cannot be 44 if he jumps forward 8 years into becoming 36 in 2027 which in turn means the future should have changed and thus Jesse would change with it since HER future is contigent on John's just like the entire Resistance.
The only exemption from this is a pre-destination paradox again, with the future Derek comes from had a 34 year old Connor meaning somehow a time jump was there to begin with and thus they arent achieving anything except repeating history.
This also goes in line with their recent actions on the wall. They are not changing the future at all, everything they seem to be doing is actually ensuring that future happens either by making sure Bidell stays in the Academy like he is 'supposed to' or by saving this family to protect an immunity from disease in the future.
Just like Derek's memories paint the idea of an unaltered future, and yet we have Fisher stating he was wondering how long it would take Derek to remember his torture A.K.A This Fisher expected Derek to remember eventually which indivates Fisher isnt from an alternate future at all.

Hence, their history is repeating itself while the changes being made are from Jesse or Weaver. Both of whom remain complete unknowns except that in either case they seem to be working against the goals of their respective leaders and are shaping them along a desired path for unknown benefit. Just as you field the idea Jesse has been back longer than we suspect, one can field the same for Weaver.

[Peptuck]

On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it.

You know, Shroomy, that's a crazy idea that just might work.

Hell, Lauren is a thousand times better-suited for John than Riley could hope to be - though I still keep my fanboy jaws locked firmly around John/Cameron myself

[Sarevok]

On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it. While John? He's got a mom and a protector cyborg and he's brushing them off and stuff.

The words. ^^. Read them and agree. Everyone.

Riley definitely improved lots this season. Especially after the reveal about her true past (or future). Yet it is difficulty get over the image "fat riley". She made an idea of a love interest for John impossible until Lauren came along. With Lauren and good writing there could be an actual chance of romance that is not sappy emo angst.

Is Lauren coming back later in this season or next ?

[Thanas]

Really? When?

Brave Little Girl recognized Derek in The Future. I presume Bedell recognized him too, or something... which is why we see Future Bedell willing to do a suicide run into the Ogre to save John Connor's life. Payback time!

No, future bedell doesn't need to recognize him at all. Those are Dereks memories before Skynet sent someone back to defeat Bedell...

I think Cameron's damage was a factor in her abnormally long down time. She IS damaged, she does suffer from wear and tear, she knows it and we know she "feels" bad about having something wrong with her. That's why she compensates by going super killy when taking on Pretzel and Strak and even Cromartie, when she fights them she can't afford to do the usual Terminator things because she is already at a disadvantage, she has to play dirty, she moves fast and she tries really hard and gives it 110% and uses everything and anything at her disposal. Because she knows if she doesn't, then she'll be at a severe disadvantage and she doesn't want to fail her mission (which is already jeopardized).

It's just too bad that in this case, she had nothing to exploit. So she ran him over with a car.

No, the damage is in her chip. I will elaborate a bit more when I reply to Predator490.

I think Cameron did kill this Trip 8. In Derek's phone call to Sarah, he asked "did she kill the Trip 8?" or something. He said "she" when talking to Sarah, referring to Cameron. But, I don't know. It sounded like "did she" but it might as well be just "did you". But how could Sarah kill a Terminator?

I think it is "did she". I can clearly hear an e at the end.

On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it. While John? He's got a mom and a protector cyborg and he's brushing them off and stuff.

You know, Shroomy, that's a crazy idea that just might work.

Hell, Lauren is a thousand times better-suited for John than Riley could hope to be - though I still keep my fanboy jaws locked firmly around John/Cameron myself

The words. ^^. Read them and agree. Everyone.

ARGHH. We get one, I repeat one episode with a cute guest star and rampant speculation about shipping her with John starts. There is no way this will come to be, because her arc is finished. Bringing her back would have no story purpose at all that cannot be filled by established characters already.

Though I agree that she would be better suited for John than Riley, but this doesn't say much. Almost everyone would be better than that backstabber.

Riley definitely improved lots this season. Especially after the reveal about her true past (or future). Yet it is difficulty get over the image "fat riley". She made an idea of a love interest for John impossible until Lauren came along. With Lauren and good writing there could be an actual chance of romance that is not sappy emo angst.

I have no idea what you are saying there, so could you please clarify your sentence?

Is Lauren coming back later in this season or next ?

I doubt it, given that her arc is finished.

The next episode worries me. What the hell happened to Turtle Ellison? Has he gone totally fucking mad? Holy crap... Skynet is a god's childrens!

Ellison has always been a religious nutjob.

Since the Turk is meant to be Skynet, then Weaver taking control of the Turk directly affects Skynet's future hence she changed the future just by acquiring the Turk in the first place. Nevermind what she is subjecting it too which would lead to a different kind of Skynet than the one we have seen so far. Unless this is what was MEANT to happen, in which case we have a pre-destination paradox with Skynet just like John Connor has with Kyle Reese.

And this says what, exactly? That this Skynet may turn out differently than the one in the unaltered timeline?

Cameron IS physically damaged, simple as that. We know for a fact the chip is damaged and the amount of beatings she has taken should have left a toll on her. The skin may heal but the Endoskeleton cannot thus all those bumps, cuts, gunshots will accumulate and potentially begin to hamper her performance. In the case of the chip, a piece of metal went straight through the back of her head to damage the chip, that hole should still be there because they dont have the resources to repair her properly and attempting to do so would go against her mission to prevent any chance of Terminator tech falling into human hands.

I think you underestimate Cameron's capacity for self-repair or the resources they have at hand.

Heck, in the premiere, Cameron's face was smashed (with metal being bent) and her leg was that damaged that she could only limp. Yet in the following episodes, that damage had been repaired. Therefore, the Connors or Cameron do have the capabilities to carry out repairs on her exosceleton (unless you want to argue that a smashed face and a huge limp with one leg loosing motor function can be fixed by healing skin).

If Jesse is from an alternate future then how can she know a version of history she never experienced ?

Eh? What do you mean by alternate future? Jessie comes from the future with Fischer being a gray. That is all we know. Oh, and Cameron is close to John. So what makes the hypothesis impossible that she saw how Connor only listened to Cameron and then when Cameron got sent back she got scared and went after them? What part of this requires her knowing a version of history she never experienced.

It is a logical paradox, in order for Jesse to be from the same time period as Derek she must have come back before Connor and co. did their future time jump otherwise the future she came from would automatically cease to exist.

No, because Derek also came back after Connor and co did their future time jump.

John Connor cannot be 44 if he jumps forward 8 years into becoming 36 in 2027 which in turn means the future should have changed and thus Jesse would change with it since HER future is contigent on John's just like the entire Resistance.
The only exemption from this is a pre-destination paradox again, with the future Derek comes from had a 34 year old Connor meaning somehow a time jump was there to begin with and thus they arent achieving anything except repeating history.

No. All it means that there have been some changes to the timeline. As previous episodes have shown, the timelines are shifiting. So John might have been 34 in the resistance or 44, it really does not matter. And well, we really do not know when Jesse came back. It might be before Derek came back, it might have been later, we simply do not know.

This also goes in line with their recent actions on the wall. They are not changing the future at all, everything they seem to be doing is actually ensuring that future happens either by making sure Bidell stays in the Academy like he is 'supposed to' or by saving this family to protect an immunity from disease in the future.

No. Your charge is that they simply repeat history. That is not true, they strive for the best possible outcome and try to act accordingly. What do you think would have been the better òutcome in any of those situations? Consider that they have to play it safe.

Just like Derek's memories paint the idea of an unaltered future, and yet we have Fisher stating he was wondering how long it would take Derek to remember his torture A.K.A This Fisher expected Derek to remember eventually which indivates Fisher isnt from an alternate future at all.

No, Fischer is from the timeline where it was altered. Derek is not. So this Derek would not remember, whereas the Derek Jessie knows would.

Hence, their history is repeating itself while the changes being made are from Jesse or Weaver.

No. They have changed history as well, for example preventing the governer from being assassinated or Derek shooting Andy Goode.

Both of whom remain complete unknowns except that in either case they seem to be working against the goals of their respective leaders and are shaping them along a desired path for unknown benefit. Just as you field the idea Jesse has been back longer than we suspect, one can field the same for Weaver.

That's true, but it is just that - speculation. And Weaver certainly has to have been back longer, considering she had to take over the company and her template and "husband" died in a helicopter accident a while back iirc.

[Peptuck]

As an aside, who keeps coming into these threads and rating the episodes a 1, without ever bothering to say why?

[Thanas]

As an aside, who keeps coming into these threads and rating the episodes a 1, without ever bothering to say why?

That happens almost everytime. Two cowards usually rate every episode of T:SCC a 1, which is why I decided to discount their rating for the eventual post-series thread (may it be a long wait for that).

I think I know who the trolls are based on past posts of them, but I am not going to air their names in a public without proof. PM me for further details.

[Faqa]

On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it. While John? He's got a mom and a protector cyborg and he's brushing them off and stuff.

Because what John needs is MORE reminders of being John Connor, MORE reminders of a post-apocalyptic world he will have to lead.

What he wants and values in Riley is the fact that she ISN'T(so he thinks) connected to Judgement Day or Terminators or any of the things he has to face. The show has made this perfectly clear on multiple occasions.

What Lauren could do is make him feel his role even more heavily. If he needs that, he can query Cameron's databanks.

This is not intended as an insult to the character or actress - the former was written superbly, the latter acted so. But she brings nothing to the table for John.

[neoolong]

She brings not being an annoying bitch.

But that's just me.

[lordofFNORD]

On that note, I think Lauren would be excellent shipping material for John. She's tough and she can show him what's what, and her situation is similar to his... well, even worse. She lost her mom and she has to survive alone, goddamn it. While John? He's got a mom and a protector cyborg and he's brushing them off and stuff.

Because what John needs is MORE reminders of being John Connor, MORE reminders of a post-apocalyptic world he will have to lead.

What he wants and values in Riley is the fact that she ISN'T(so he thinks) connected to Judgement Day or Terminators or any of the things he has to face. The show has made this perfectly clear on multiple occasions.

What Lauren could do is make him feel his role even more heavily. If he needs that, he can query Cameron's databanks.

The idea is that John could relate to Lauren, as someone who is in similar circumstances, more than Cameron (robot) or his mother. Give him some perspective; ultimately HE is supposed to save everyone, HE is supposed to take responsibility. All he can see is Cameron and Sarah taking responsibility for him. If he sees Lauren, in his situation, taking responsibility, maybe he'll start doing it himself.

[Thanas]

John has taken a lot of responsibility and has bet his own life numerous times. Too bad that stopped after Riley got her claws into him.

[lordofFNORD]

John has taken a lot of responsibility and has bet his own life numerous times. Too bad that stopped after Riley got her claws into him.

Yes. I meant recently. Lauren could be the anti-Riley.

[Peptuck]

John has taken a lot of responsibility and has bet his own life numerous times. Too bad that stopped after Riley got her claws into him.

Thankfully, it looks like Riley's not going to keep doing that for much longer. She's going to get found out sooner or later, at which point it'll be a race between Sarah, Cameron, and Derek to see which crazy person deals with her first.

[Thanas]

John has taken a lot of responsibility and has bet his own life numerous times. Too bad that stopped after Riley got her claws into him.

Yes. I meant recently. Lauren could be the anti-Riley.

There is no need for that storywise. All it would be is fanservice and the show does not need to sink to that level.

[Shroom Man 777]

Riley definitely improved lots this season. Especially after the reveal about her true past (or future). Yet it is difficulty get over the image "fat riley".

FAT FAT FAT

No, future bedell doesn't need to recognize him at all. Those are Dereks memories before Skynet sent someone back to defeat Bedell...

True. Derek IS changing the future, beyond making sure the time-loopy paradoxes happen. His changes have actually caused things to happen TO him in the future that HAVEN'T happened to him in the future.

No, the damage is in her chip. I will elaborate a bit more when I reply to Predator490.

There IS wear and tear. Sure, her leg might have been fixed by removing an obstructing bit of shrapnel like what Ahnuld in Terminator 1 did to his forearm after Reese gave him many shotgunnings. Sure, she might have even used that bar of coltan to fix herself up... that and a wielding torch. But still, there IS wear and tear! In T2, Ahnuld got a limp because his foot servos got smashed when he fell and rolled and hit a bar. Eventually, Cameron will get banged up to a point where simple field repairs won't suffice. The fact that she's taking on Terminators every week means it'll happen sooner rather than later.

I think it is "did she". I can clearly hear an e at the end.

ROBOT RIVER! Derek's reaction also sounded like Cameron gave the Trip a Novelty Death.

Ellison has always been a religious nutjob.

He's graduated from spouting symbolic one liners and passing out bibles and pamphlets and leaflets to outright preaching and sermonizing. If he grew grey hair, he could join Robot River and Derek on some spaceship. Robot River can be a crazy Meatbag Cameron, Derek can be in his bunk or on Mud Planet giving the Man what for and being the hero of Canton, and Turtle Ellison can end up being a Shepperd Book.

Heck, in the premiere, Cameron's face was smashed (with metal being bent) and her leg was that damaged that she could only limp. Yet in the following episodes, that damage had been repaired. Therefore, the Connors or Cameron do have the capabilities to carry out repairs on her exosceleton (unless you want to argue that a smashed face and a huge limp with one leg loosing motor function can be fixed by healing skin).

Her face was smashed? Metal was bent? All I saw was a huge gash on her face, with the skin hanging out. Nothing a few cosmetic staplers couldn't fix.

Her leg, well... could've been shrapnel. But still, as I said above, field repairs can't fix everything and eventually she is going to break down.

She brings not being an annoying bitch.

But that's just me.

And not being FAT FAT FAT.

And she's also well endowed despite her petite frame! Breasts!

There is no need for that storywise. All it would be is fanservice and the show does not need to sink to that level.

That's true. But goddamn it, all the "introspective" scenes we get of John is him being with FAT Riley, or him being with Robot River, or him being with Mammy.

Lauren doesn't need to be shipped. They're both kindred spirits who've had horrible shit happen to them, and Lauren doesn't have the benefit of a family that's NOT dead (DEAD DEAD DEAD!). They could relate each other and have a quantum of solace, help each other bear the burden of such great responsibility. John can't live a normal life and he has to be the Great Military Leader. Lauren can't live a normal life and she has to live and raise her Baby Sister to grow up and become The Answer to Infection.

Having them "spend some time together" would bring awesome character development to John, who is so far getting NOT awesome developments. It would also knock a sense of responsibility into him by making him feel guilty for being such a goddamn ungrateful little fucker.

But the next episode shows that Cameron might end up ruining Riley's shit, so yay!

[Peptuck]

Shroomy, half the reason I participate in these threads is for posts like that.

[Shroom Man 777]

And I guess the other half is Thanas' well-constructed and thought out posts. It's like the two sides of the same coin, or two faces.

I'm the hideously grotesque, acid-scarred, yet oddly amusing side or face.

[Thanas]

No, the damage is in her chip. I will elaborate a bit more when I reply to Predator490.

There IS wear and tear. Sure, her leg might have been fixed by removing an obstructing bit of shrapnel like what Ahnuld in Terminator 1 did to his forearm after Reese gave him many shotgunnings. Sure, she might have even used that bar of coltan to fix herself up... that and a wielding torch. But still, there IS wear and tear! In T2, Ahnuld got a limp because his foot servos got smashed when he fell and rolled and hit a bar. Eventually, Cameron will get banged up to a point where simple field repairs won't suffice. The fact that she's taking on Terminators every week means it'll happen sooner rather than later.

Well, yeah. Once her servos get smashed, they will be a bitch to replace. But with regards to the leg - I do not really think an awkward bent like that is due to shrapnel. However, all evidence points to her being extremely duable and absorbing damage from Terminators and bullets with relative ease. The only thing that really damaged her was a carbomb, and she shrugged that off by the following episode (except for the chip, which probably suffered shock damage). I always like to compare Cameron to a battleship that is getting pelted with 2-inch guns. Sure, there is wear and tear, but it might as well be minimal.

I think it is "did she". I can clearly hear an e at the end.

ROBOT RIVER! Derek's reaction also sounded like Cameron gave the Trip a Novelty Death.

Shotgun shells to the chip, anyone?

He's graduated from spouting symbolic one liners and passing out bibles and pamphlets and leaflets to outright preaching and sermonizing. If he grew grey hair, he could join Robot River and Derek on some spaceship. Robot River can be a crazy Meatbag Cameron, Derek can be in his bunk or on Mud Planet giving the Man what for and being the hero of Canton, and Turtle Ellison can end up being a Shepperd Book.

Terminator: The River Tam Chronicles? Nah.

Seriously though, this is a guy who believes Terminators to be the work of the devil. That is how crazy he is.

Heck, in the premiere, Cameron's face was smashed (with metal being bent) and her leg was that damaged that she could only limp. Yet in the following episodes, that damage had been repaired. Therefore, the Connors or Cameron do have the capabilities to carry out repairs on her exosceleton (unless you want to argue that a smashed face and a huge limp with one leg loosing motor function can be fixed by healing skin).

Her face was smashed? Metal was bent? All I saw was a huge gash on her face, with the skin hanging out. Nothing a few cosmetic staplers couldn't fix.

Her leg, well... could've been shrapnel. But still, as I said above, field repairs can't fix everything and eventually she is going to break down.

Damage to her face:





Hmm. Now that I look at them, I am not so sure anymore.

There is no need for that storywise. All it would be is fanservice and the show does not need to sink to that level.

That's true. But goddamn it, all the "introspective" scenes we get of John is him being with FAT Riley, or him being with Robot River, or him being with Mammy.

So?

Lauren doesn't need to be shipped. They're both kindred spirits who've had horrible shit happen to them, and Lauren doesn't have the benefit of a family that's NOT dead (DEAD DEAD DEAD!). They could relate each other and have a quantum of solace, help each other bear the burden of such great responsibility. John can't live a normal life and he has to be the Great Military Leader. Lauren can't live a normal life and she has to live and raise her Baby Sister to grow up and become The Answer to Infection.

Having them "spend some time together" would bring awesome character development to John, who is so far getting NOT awesome developments. It would also knock a sense of responsibility into him by making him feel guilty for being such a goddamn ungrateful little fucker.

Yeah, okay. I see where you are coming from, but I still don't think it is necessary. For example, John is hardly willing to listen to anyone besides Riley at this point. I doubt even Lauren could do that...although I bet you're just hoping for a catfight. [shroom]Have Robot Rivers and Lauren gang up on her[/Shroom].

All kidding aside, I liked Lauren's character and that is exactly why I never want to see her again. Characters that are written in order to have one arc rarely come back as strong as in that episode, especially when they were not supposed to. This happened in a lot of shows.

Besides, bringing a baby inside that world is a bit unfair to it. Now that the Terminator is dead, "all" they will have to do is to lay low. Going back to the Connors would make them a target and would therefore be the very opposite of what Lauren did before.

But the next episode shows that Cameron might end up ruining Riley's shit, so yay!

WHAT did I ask you to do with regards to episode promos? BAD SHROOM. BAD.

[Shroom Man 777]

Well, yeah. Once her servos get smashed, they will be a bitch to replace. But with regards to the leg - I do not really think an awkward bent like that is due to shrapnel. However, all evidence points to her being extremely duable and absorbing damage from Terminators and bullets with relative ease. The only thing that really damaged her was a carbomb, and she shrugged that off by the following episode (except for the chip, which probably suffered shock damage). I always like to compare Cameron to a battleship that is getting pelted with 2-inch guns. Sure, there is wear and tear, but it might as well be minimal.

Maybe her joints got dislocated and she was only later able to pop them back in place, maybe with the help of power tools!

Shotgun shells to the chip, anyone?

We can imagine. Maybe it was a chimney rod into the eye!

Seriously though, this is a guy who believes Terminators to be the work of the devil. That is how crazy he is.

And he is trying to COMPEL IT WITH THE POWER OF CHRIST!!!

I think Cameron needs to beat his ass some more and give him a couple more turtle flips.

Hmm. Now that I look at them, I am not so sure anymore.

It's just an ugly gash. It didn't damage Robot River, it just wounded Meatbag Cameron.

Yeah, okay. I see where you are coming from, but I still don't think it is necessary. For example, John is hardly willing to listen to anyone besides Riley at this point.

Yeah, all I'm saying is that John needs some responsibility beat into him! With a belt or something! If only he had a father figure, why Uncle Bob would've had none of this goddamn lip! You're grounded! Go face the wall! No TV for a week! There goes your allowance, young man!

I doubt even Lauren could do that...although I bet you're just hoping for a catfight. [shroom]Have Robot Rivers and Lauren gang up on her[/Shroom].

Cybernetic strap-ons! Cybernetic organism meets cybernetic orgasm. *cue porno music*

Oh my god.

Besides, bringing a baby inside that world is a bit unfair to it. Now that the Terminator is dead, "all" they will have to do is to lay low. Going back to the Connors would make them a target and would therefore be the very opposite of what Lauren did before.

That's a point. Brave Little Girl is smarts, not like Jackass John. Fuck him. Whiny little piece of shit.

I hope he grows up into a Real Man like Christian Bale.

WHAT did I ask you to do with regards to episode promos? BAD SHROOM. BAD.

WHAT?! Those promos come after the show, IN THE CREDITS! They're about as spoilery as what happens in the show itself!

Besides, leik PREDATOR8045582 said, those promos are grotesquely deceptive - with curseable sudden and inevitable betrayals, deceiving like low down dirty deceivers.

[Thanas]

Well, yeah. Once her servos get smashed, they will be a bitch to replace. But with regards to the leg - I do not really think an awkward bent like that is due to shrapnel. However, all evidence points to her being extremely duable and absorbing damage from Terminators and bullets with relative ease. The only thing that really damaged her was a carbomb, and she shrugged that off by the following episode (except for the chip, which probably suffered shock damage). I always like to compare Cameron to a battleship that is getting pelted with 2-inch guns. Sure, there is wear and tear, but it might as well be minimal.

Maybe her joints got dislocated and she was only later able to pop them back in place, maybe with the help of power tools!

Maybe. Who knows.

I think Cameron needs to beat his ass some more and give him a couple more turtle flips.

There are a lot of characters who could benefit from that treatment. Just sayin'.

Hmm. Now that I look at them, I am not so sure anymore.

It's just an ugly gash. It didn't damage Robot River, it just wounded Meatbag Cameron.

If that is true, I do not think we need to worry that much about wear and tear. Considering that a car bomb only did that, I don't really think we have to worry about punches or bullets. The only thing I would argue that is a danger is furhter shock damage to the chip.

Yeah, all I'm saying is that John needs some responsibility beat into him! With a belt or something! If only he had a father figure, why Uncle Bob would've had none of this goddamn lip! You're grounded! Go face the wall! No TV for a week! There goes your allowance, young man!

Or: "Fuck off, ashole". Strangely appropriate for a lot instances in this show.

WHAT?! Those promos come after the show, IN THE CREDITS! They're about as spoilery as what happens in the show itself!

And I do not watch them. I alsways turn out as soon as the credits start.