Trekkies are taking shots at the asteroid calcs again.

boggy b · Post by **boggy b** » 2003-02-01 07:22pm

Even more oddly, I'm not sure why we're argueing about it at all. It's a bit like argueing about apples and bananas.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-01 07:23pm

boggy b wrote:then throwing a pen and catching it would require more complex calculations than a supercomputer is capale of performing.

Well, if that's the case, why don't you go down to Lockheed Martin, and offer to replace their computers with your brain. You could do all sorts of stuff that computers do these days, like test airplane designs, calculate missile trajectories, etc, all in your head. I'm sure they'll offer you a big paycheck with lots of stock option.

boggy b · Post by **boggy b** » 2003-02-01 07:32pm

I suppose they might. But if I went to a big Japanese mega-corporation and offered up my brain to be implanted into a robot (if it was possible) then I would get a lot of money too.

But that's besides the point and this has gotten seriously off-topic. Sorry about this.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-01 07:35pm

boggy b wrote:Implanting a false memory into someone takes years of study.

So does becoming a hacker, unless you use a cheater program. Get a cheater program, you can do it with ease.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-01 08:23pm

boggy b wrote:I suppose they might. But if I went to a big Japanese mega-corporation and offered up my brain to be implanted into a robot (if it was possible) then I would get a lot of money too.

Actually, Japanese mega-corporations generally have superb quality control. They would reject your brain.

But that's besides the point and this has gotten seriously off-topic. Sorry about this.

I seriously doubt that you are sorry in the least for this blatant red-herring of yours.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-01 08:28pm

boggy b wrote:I said myself that calculation was a poor word to use. And besides, if your brain worked on numbers (which it doesn't, so this bit is hypothetical) then throwing a pen and catching it would require more complex calculations than a supercomputer is capale of performing.

Actually, the kinematic calculations required for throwing and catching a pen are trivial for even the simplest computer. An ancient 386 could do it easily. Most robotic arm controllers are based on CPU's which have less raw computing power than a typical gaming platform.

A modern anti-artillery tracking system can locate an artillery shell in flight, perform a curve-fit to determine its trajectory, and then back-calculate its ballistic path to determine the point from where it was launched. Can you do this in your head?

So in all, comparing your brain and a computer isn't really fair. A computer is very good at what it does (adds up numbers), whereas your brain is very good at what it does too.

In other words, you admit that your brain is not intrinsically superior to a computer; it is just different, and its particular characteristics are not suitable for anything besides its present job. Therefore, your bio-bullshit is, indeed, bio-bullshit. Not to mention completely off-topic, you thread-hijacking, trolling moron.

Oh, and hackers consistently show the ability to modify the memory of computers. Hell, even I could do it, and I'm no hacker. Implanting a false memory into someone takes years of study.

You're a fucking moron; computers are designed to permit manipulation of their memory. There is no error involved. Human memory, on the other hand, is prone to actual error. There's a difference, idiot.

Artanis · Post by **Artanis** » 2003-02-01 08:40pm

boggy b wrote:Q has respect for the Federation after they showed him they were primitive and trigger-happy. Now, are you going to try to claim he'd do the same with the Empire?

Somebody please tell me: is this guy suggesting that a government that built no less than 5 superweapons and considered blasting the atmosphere off a planet to be an appropriate response to many situations was NOT TRIGGER-HAPPY?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-01 08:47pm

I think he left a "not" off before the "trigger happy and Primitive" bit.

But yeah, if the Feds were considered trigger happy, what the hell would the Imps be?

Artanis · Post by **Artanis** » 2003-02-01 08:52pm

Either way, the statement screws him. If he meant "not", well...DS9 proved that humans are capable of being dumb enough to punch a Q in the face, and Voyager proved that they're willing to mess in a civil war between "omnipotent"

beings

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-01 08:53pm

One of the morons on the Infoceptor Forum, Nirvana, has fled the field.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-02-01 10:25pm

Master of Ossus wrote:One of the morons on the Infoceptor Forum, Nirvana, has fled the field.

I suddenly picture you dressed u like Sauron in the intro to Fellowship striding in amidst the infoceptoers and swinging the Mace of Logic to send them flying.

Except you dont get your fingers cut off.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-02-01 10:43pm

Wicked Pilot wrote:
boggy b wrote:then throwing a pen and catching it would require more complex calculations than a supercomputer is capale of performing.
Well, if that's the case, why don't you go down to Lockheed Martin, and offer to replace their computers with your brain. You could do all sorts of stuff that computers do these days, like test airplane designs, calculate missile trajectories, etc, all in your head. I'm sure they'll offer you a big paycheck with lots of stock option.

*Snort* I suggest we use him first for tensile strength tests. Then use the pieces for payload testing of scale models of the Atlas 5 Heavy. Whatever's left can be used to check for FOD damage on the F-35's lift fans. That's about all the use LockMart would find for this one.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-02 10:53am

And look, they call the mods in to have them deal with it because they can't handle it. how cute.

firefly wrote: please remove it, doctor. please.

i've been looking at the quality of these posts for the last few days and im really getting sick of it. some people dont stay on topic, others ignore certain aspects, and others still insult the opposition. im losing my patience to reply to this kind of idiotic nonsense. heck, i've even come close to just giving up and letting servo, seggy, and the all at sd.net say they won. but if i stop, then the scenario would be "everyone from sd.net vs boggy b." hardly a fair debate.

so please close this thread. before things get worse.

And I really like this one

Dedman Walkin wrote: Master of Ossus, as I told Darth Servo, Double Posting is not an accepted practice here at Infoceptor. It may be at SD.net but we are here not there so please refrain from doing so. It is very annoying. Edit your previous post!

You require proof for everything then don't you? So then I challenge you to prove that you exist. Otherwise your very foundation is moot and your debate pointless. Don't think that "This posts proves that I exist" because it doesn't. All it proves is that I may be hallucinating.

Lastly before I lose conscious thought, you seem to have a lack of Mutual Respect, something that the Trekkies have showed you but have not recieved back. I find it maddening to see a lack of mutual respect in the Serious Discussions forum.

\\//,DedmanWalkin

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-02 11:00am

*sigh*

His statment of prove you exist is a statement of both complete defeat and/or a person who puts too much stock into the whole thought of I cannot prove anything except myself.

Ah well...and sadly it's funny to see them scream for the mods when they get their ass handed to them(reading Ossus last few posts I want to see them refute it...beyond..."Nu-UH!!!"

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 12:51pm

That's great:

Infoceptor moron wrote:You require proof for everything, don't you?

That belongs in a sig or something. How silly of us to expect evidence! And of course, then he launches into an idiotic solipsist false-dilemma tirade.

Artanis · Post by **Artanis** » 2003-02-02 01:05pm

Infoceptor Idiot wrote:you seem to have a lack of Mutual Respect

Isn't respect usually earned?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-02 03:18pm

Man, this boggy b guy's really annoying on their forum as well as ours. Check out his rhetorical attempts to claim victory.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-02 03:43pm

boggy b wrote:It's a pity that many of your arguments consusted entirely of 'you can't prove it' and 'no you are wrong idiot', because if they didn't you might have gained more respect from Infoceptor forumites.

What say you, people, have the ignorants at Infoceptor had enough?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-02 04:04pm

Darth Wong wrote:
A modern anti-artillery tracking system can locate an artillery shell in flight, perform a curve-fit to determine its trajectory, and then back-calculate its ballistic path to determine the point from where it was launched. Can you do this in your head?

And they can do that before the round even hit the ground. And as an extension, the location data can be transmitted to the best counter battery unit, and that unit can return fire within one minute with accuracy measured in dozens of feet over ranges of 45,000 meters.

I'd really like to see someone do that all by hand at the same speed and accuracy, especially since that's the way it used to be done, and strangely everyone started using as many computers and data links as possibul.

Better yet I'd to meet a person who could track 256 aerial targets at once and constantly produce updated firing data on all of them as AEGIS equipped warships can do.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-02 06:05pm

Another priceless statement from their Infoceptor Forum. This one's from DedmanWalkin.

And, yes, I would respect the creationist. Why? Because they have something you obviously lack, Faith. Faith in the possibility that anything is possible. For once you lose that why live? You are worse than most atheists and my friends that are find you "as repulsive as Jehovah's Witnesses".

We here at Infoceptor have respect for each other because we understand that we are here to have fun and just hang out with others that have similar interests. You seem to be here only to 'get your gun off'. I am guessing you have never been in Theatre.

You may now begin typing your reply post surely filled with many quotes and misinterpretations of my words. Have fun, if possible.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-02 06:22pm

Of course he respects the creationist. The creationist is the only person stupid enough to buy into his line of bullshit.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-02 06:34pm

I see because we(who knows...the board, Ossus/Seggy/Servo alone...etc) do not hold that superior firepower and production will win the day we have no faith?

I mean there is nothing about blind faith when viewing that the GE can build a DE in less than a year and has 24,000....oh never freaking mind.

What faith is there in the pure numbers approach, they either add up or they don't...

And the last two accusations is basically him whimpering because you guys showed logic is brutally in favor of the SWverse compared to the ST...no maybes...no possible. If the Feddies plus allies of AQ...Borg...etc goes agaisnt the GE...they lose. Hell wasn't the original thought some thousands of ships vs the ISD...and the ISD being shown to have enough firepower to overwhelm all of them(though I believe we came up with the number wherein the ISD loses but it was outlandish)

And his generalization is particularly cute....

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-02-02 06:38pm

Darth Wong wrote:Of course he respects the creationist. The creationist is the only person stupid enough to buy into his line of bullshit.

If he changed his argument a little, I bet he could get the white supremecist faction with a bit more politicking (and maybe some sheep-trading)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-02-02 06:40pm

So lets see.. they're complaining about the demands for proof.. they put faith above fact, and they apply healthy doses of style over substance...

Yet they're claiming victory?

This is a Helm's Deep composed entirely of Walls of Ignorance, with the difference that the orcs are on the inside.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-02-02 07:06pm

The "no faith" argument...

Just say you have plenty of faith... faith that your evidence proves you to be right.