SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread IV

[Zor]

I see no problem with Wilkonia dropping by at the Pacifica conference.

Zor

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Shinn Langley Soryu: Yeah the prices are fine. Usual goodies like training and so forth gets thrown in. Also, I will add that the order will take 2-3 years to complete. The Tu-142 is out of production but I can bring that back online (or buy airframes from CSR And refit them). All other aircraft are in production now.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

THE BILL

WIlkonia

48 x AH-1Z Viper
72 x SH-60R Seahawk
24 x SH-60S Seahawk
108 x UH-60M Black Hawk
[total cost of all helicopters: $7.75 billion]
4 x AC-130V Heavy Plus
4 x C-130J Super Hercules
[total cost of all fixed-wing aircraft: $1.1 billion]

Total: $8.85 billion, paid over seven years (installments of $1.26 billion/year)

Tian Xia

48 x A-7L Corsair II [$624 million total]

Total: $624 million, lump sum

Byzantium [FINALIZED]

64 x Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche IV (48 x single-seater, 16 x double-seater) [trade-in deal for F-16E/F Fighting Falcon] [$1.92 billion total]
12 x Tupolev Tu-22BM [$480 million total]
16 x Tupolev Tu-142 [$640 million total]

Total: $3.04 billion, lump sum

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A few final questions:

CmdrWilkens: $8.85 billion, split over seven years. How about I just pay both the initial down payment and the Year 1 deposit now, pay the deposits for Years 2-4 as they are, and pay the final settlement alongside the Year 5 deposit when the last of the CH-53Ks finally come in? Would that sound good?

Beowulf: How much would it cost for a license to produce additional A-7Ls in my own factories?

[PeZook]

BTW, Wilkens asked me for perliminary outline for FASTA launch capacity, so here it goes:

Current

8K series (R-7 family): 1.5 tonne to LEO
11K series (R-7 family): 6 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance IIA: 9 tonnes to LEO

By 2015

11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO

By 2016

11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO
Saturn I: 9 tonnes to LEO, 2.2 tonnes to TLI

By 2017

11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO
Saturn IB: 15 tonnes to LEO

By 2018

11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO
Saturn III: 60 tonnes to LEO ; Moon rocket

By 2019

11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO
Saturn III: 60 tonnes to LEO ; Moon rocket
Energia: 120 tonnes to LEO

By 2020
11A series (R-7 family): 10 tonnes to LEO
Lucrelance III: 22 tonnes to LEO
Saturn III: 60 tonnes to LEO ; Moon rocket
Energia/Vulkan: ~200 tonnes to LEO


Green is operational in the time period, red is "final flights in time period"

[Beowulf]

Beowulf: How much would it cost for a license to produce additional A-7Ls in my own factories?

Same as for Karmic: $50 mil or $1 mil/plane, whichever is greater. Oh, and the bill for all of this goes to LTVR.

[PeZook]

Ding, motherfuckers! A comprehensive list of planned Soyuz flights fer you.

And we come back to the issue of who should be the first man on the moon

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

There's still my deep space probes...

[PeZook]

There's still my deep space probes...

Oh! Yeah! I'll append the bulletin shortly

[Ryan Thunder]

Hey, SeigeTank? Spectres are high-mach recon planes, not interceptors. I suppose you could try to tack a few missiles on with some clever thinking, but really, they just aren't designed for that sort of mission.

[Siege]

Hey, SeigeTank? Spectres are high-mach recon planes, not interceptors. I suppose you could try to tack a few missiles on with some clever thinking, but really, they just aren't designed for that sort of mission.

If Skunkworks can develop an SR-71 and an YF-12 from the same plane, I bloody well can develop an YF-12 from an SR-71. And for my next trick, I'll develop a strike version too .

[PeZook]

What for?

Seriously, what for? You can buy purpose-designed Mach 3 interceptors from the SNC. They're called the Mig-31, and we're making fuckloads of those

[Master_Baerne]

What for?

Seriously, what for? You can buy purpose-designed Mach 3 interceptors from the SNC. They're called the Mig-31, and we're making fuckloads of those

For that matter, I make MiG 31's.

[Siege]

Seriously, what for? You can buy purpose-designed Mach 3 interceptors from the SNC. They're called the Mig-31, and we're making fuckloads of those

Because I think I can make good money from selling those planes, which I won't if I buy 'em from you guys. I could've waited for FASTA to develop a booster rocket too, instead I developed Lucrelance and made good money off it (some of it by licensing the design to FASTA, no less ). I could buy pretty much anything I need from the Great Powers, but I'd rather not if I can help it.

That aside, I bought the entire factory primarily because it manufactures fancy hybrid jet engines. The technical expertise required to fabricate variable cycle turbojet/ramjet engines I believe is vital to developing my ultimate goal and dream: a functioning jet/ram/scram/rocket. SSTO, baby!

PS: And I don't think the MiG-31 beats the SR-71 in terms of raw speed, either.

[Karmic Knight]

So, Siege, can Gizmonic work with Ralson to create Goddamn Fucking Continent Brand Carrier Aircraft?

[Beowulf]

Yeah, except the Lockheed (Tian-Xia) has gained approval to sell F-12s to other countries. Of course, the price is a bit steep, but not much different from a F-22. That said, it's probably time to do more with Blackswift .

[Siege]

So, Siege, can Gizmonic work with Ralson to create Goddamn Fucking Continent Brand Carrier Aircraft?

Certainly- what kind of aircraft were you thinking of though? Ralson Aerospace already manufactures the Rafale-M, though I guess there might be a market for a Super Etendard/A-5 Vigilante type of aircraft.

Yeah, except the Lockheed (Tian-Xia) has gained approval to sell F-12s to other countries.

Whatever do you mean to say by that? Buying aircraft from you doesn't get me the technical expertise to construct those engines myself, buying the factory does. Furthermore, you selling the aircraft to other nations only proves that there's a market for them, e.g. there's profit to be made. And finally, like I said before, I don't buy from Great Powers unless I absolutely have to. Particularly when that Great Power is Tian Xia, who still haven't gotten back to me on that inquiry concerning the future of Tian Jiao .

[CmdrWilkens]

CmdrWilkens: $8.85 billion, split over seven years. How about I just pay both the initial down payment and the Year 1 deposit now, pay the deposits for Years 2-4 as they are, and pay the final settlement alongside the Year 5 deposit when the last of the CH-53Ks finally come in? Would that sound good?

Truth be told I don't mind either way I put he number out there to give you a baseline. You've got good credit so you can either pay over 7 years, lump sum everything upfront or you could do something in between.

The other thing I'm willing to do is let your guys start an exchange program to start familiarizing themselves with the next gen stuff (AC-130V and CH-53K in paticular). I mean you could just buy the simulators from me and do it yourself but that's a whole chunk of extra change on top of the parts orders that would be a subsidiary contract. So long story short your pilots can come train with mine a few at a time if you like.

[CmdrWilkens]

BTW, Wilkens asked me for perliminary outline for FASTA launch capacity, so here it goes:
<snip>
Green is operational in the time period, red is "final flights in time period"

Cool, it looks like the MSA will have a crapload more heavy booster capacity until around 2019/2020 when you get the Energia fully up and running while I am waiting on the Ares V to finish certification which wouldn't be until 2022. So at that point you'd have the biggest rocket until you get leapfrogged, right about that time is when either of us could, theoreticlly put somewhere in the 50-60 tonnes range into TLI.

I'm partial to the current theory of staging some equipment at Earth Moon L1 but that would be something on the order of mission planning circa 2018+ timeframe. Oddly enough since Coyote is putting the money in NOW to develop the lunar landers, crew modules, etc we are in the weird place that the landing tech will be sitting around waiting a few years for boosters big enough to get it there. The plus being that Canisia can run a shitload of stress tests on the system to capture as many bugs as possible.

[CmdrWilkens]

I see no problem with Wilkonia dropping by at the Pacifica conference.

Zor

Cool, like I said I'm just gonna send observers who will be there to hawk WIlkonian merchandise, stir support for BIOCOM and generally wine and dine themselves on the government's dime.


For everybody:

RE: BIOCOM

I figured the problme wouldn't so much be that nobody offered facilities btu rather EVERYBODY offered facilities with the hope of getting prestige out of it. I'm personally footing a good chunk of the upfront costs because I happened to host the conference and I'd be happy to host but the final site needs to be agreed upon by all of us (since we're all voting member) and no I'm not going to post a vote poll on it .

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

What for?

Seriously, what for? You can buy purpose-designed Mach 3 interceptors from the SNC. They're called the Mig-31, and we're making fuckloads of those

For that matter, I make MiG 31's.

Not MiG-31Ts. Only those go MACH 3.2 and above.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

Beowulf: How much would it cost for a license to produce additional A-7Ls in my own factories?

Same as for Karmic: $50 mil or $1 mil/plane, whichever is greater. Oh, and the bill for all of this goes to LTVR.

I figured as much; I just wanted confirmation. $50 million it is, then.

CmdrWilkens: $8.85 billion, split over seven years. How about I just pay both the initial down payment and the Year 1 deposit now, pay the deposits for Years 2-4 as they are, and pay the final settlement alongside the Year 5 deposit when the last of the CH-53Ks finally come in? Would that sound good?

Truth be told I don't mind either way I put he number out there to give you a baseline. You've got good credit so you can either pay over 7 years, lump sum everything upfront or you could do something in between.

The other thing I'm willing to do is let your guys start an exchange program to start familiarizing themselves with the next gen stuff (AC-130V and CH-53K in paticular). I mean you could just buy the simulators from me and do it yourself but that's a whole chunk of extra change on top of the parts orders that would be a subsidiary contract. So long story short your pilots can come train with mine a few at a time if you like.

Half now, half next year so I won't have to worry about it too much.

An exchange program sounds excellent. Consider the first of my pilots sent as soon as possible.

[Ryan Thunder]

Hey, SeigeTank? Spectres are high-mach recon planes, not interceptors. I suppose you could try to tack a few missiles on with some clever thinking, but really, they just aren't designed for that sort of mission.

If Skunkworks can develop an SR-71 and an YF-12 from the same plane, I bloody well can develop an YF-12 from an SR-71. And for my next trick, I'll develop a strike version too .

Well fuck me sideways. I didn't even know those existed.

Since its your development, you should use a different name or designation to avoid confusion. Just my 2 cents.

I'll buy a wing or two off you for S&G when I have some excess capital.

What for?

Seriously, what for? You can buy purpose-designed Mach 3 interceptors from the SNC. They're called the Mig-31, and we're making fuckloads of those

Sorry, YF-12s just have more awesome.

They look kickass, too.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Sorry, YF-12s just have more awesome.

They look kickass, too.

And way too expensive for your nation to fly more than 2 squadrons.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

THE BILL

WIlkonia [FINALIZED]

48 x AH-1Z Viper
72 x SH-60R Seahawk
24 x SH-60S Seahawk
108 x UH-60M Black Hawk
[total cost of all helicopters: $7.75 billion]
4 x AC-130V Heavy Plus
4 x C-130J Super Hercules
[total cost of all fixed-wing aircraft: $1.1 billion]

Total: $8.85 billion, paid over two years (installments of $4.42 billion/year)

Tian Xia [FINALIZED]

48 x A-7L Corsair II [$624 million total]
License for local A-7L production [$50 million total]
12 x F-12L Habu [$1.92 billion total]

Total: $2.59 billion, lump sum

Byzantium [FINALIZED]

64 x Eurofighter Typhoon Tranche IV (48 x single-seater, 16 x double-seater) [trade-in deal for F-16E/F Fighting Falcon] [$1.92 billion total]
12 x Tupolev Tu-22BM [$480 million total]
16 x Tupolev Tu-142 [$640 million total]

Total: $3.04 billion, lump sum

[Lonestar]

F/A-18Fs probably would be a better bet than Typhoon Tranche IVs.