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Fred Phelps

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An overview of Phelps

By Tim Richardson
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The Rev. Fred Phelps had a typical Southern upbringing in a highly respected family.

Those who knew Phelps in Mississippi during his childhood say he was a model citizen. He earned the rank of Eagle Scout with Palms, played in the high school band and graduated with honors. In his graduating class of 213 students, Phelps ranked sixth and was the class orator at commencement on May 28, 1946.

He carried a strong presence into the courtroom and garnered several civil rights awards for representing minorities.

In recent years, Phelps is a changed man.

A Topeka lawyer testified in 1995 that he wanted to hit the Rev. Fred Phelps after the anti-homosexual minister directed derogatory comments at him.

Other Topekans, regardless of whether they wanted to deck the man, have noticed his presence in the community. The spotlight has expanded in recent years, bringing national attention to a controversial man with Topeka roots.

The disbarred lawyer and his clan from Westboro Baptist Church, 3701 S.W. 12th, travel the nation to picket. With signs in hand, they are often spotted at Gage Park, The Topeka Capital-Journal and other areas of town. The picketing hasn't slowed since the newspaper published a special report about the group almost a decade ago.

Phelps made headlines when he and others from WBC picketed the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the gay man beaten to death in Wyoming.

"I found it almost impossible to believe that human beings could be so brutal and vicious to a hurting family," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell.

Phelps says he brought "a little sanity" to Shepard's funeral.

Did he worry about hurting Shepard's family? "Yes, I worry about that," he said. "But my mom's words come back to me all the time. She'd say a little hurt now saves a big hurt later. I'm talking about living people who are headed straight for hell."

National publications have showcased Phelps in their glossy pages.

The April 1999 issue of "George" magazine featured "The 20 Most Fascinating Men in Politics." Phelps is No. 5.

"These men startle, scintillate, and shock," says the article, which has a five-sentence blurb on Phelps next to a full-page photo. "Sometimes for better, sometimes for worse, they're not afraid to say the things we don't want to hear."

Phelps recently appeared in "Rolling Stone" magazine, as well. This isn't the first time Phelps has been featured nationally, but recent high-profile pickets seem to have rekindled national interest. Phelps has said he hadn't read any of the articles, but he appreciates the coverage.

In 1993, tax-payers learned they footed the $26.69-an-hour bill to protect WBC protestors.

About three years later, the State Board of Tax Appeals ruled the 1995 Ford F-150 pickup truck purchased by Phelps' church didn't qualify for a tax exemption. The ruling forced him to pay property taxes on the new blue pickup truck he uses to haul about picket signs.

The news wasn't all bad for the Phelps family.

The Kansas Court of Appeals reversed a disorderly conduct conviction of a WBC picketer, saying "it's not a crime in America to say something offensive," a church lawyer said.

A Riley County district judge signed an order saying there wasn't probable cause to issue warrants for criminal defamation against Phelps. The question of criminal defamation is linked to fax messages sent to Shawnee County Sheriff Dave Meneley.

In the second case, the court of appeals ruled that a judge made an erroneous instruction to the jury in a May 1996 trial in which Westboro member Jonathan B. Phelps was convicted of remarks allegedly made to two women.

Phelps also ran for governor of Kansas in 1990 and 1994,the U.S. Senate in 1992 and Topeka mayor in 1993, losing in the primary each time.

In 1997, then-Mayor Joan Wagnon sent an e-mail to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in Little Rock, where former President Bill Clinton was scheduled to attend an event.

"As Mayor of Topeka, the Capital City of Kansas and a former Little Rock resident, I want to state unequivocally, that the views of the Westboro Baptist Church and its followers are not shared by the overwhelming majority of Topeka residents," she wrote.

"While we decry the message of hate and the linking of that hate message to Christian beliefs, Kansans are a tolerant people and also respect the freedom of speech guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights."

Strange how he changed so quick.

And catch this:

"I found it almost impossible to believe that human beings could be so brutal and vicious to a hurting family," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
This coming from Falwell?! :shock: :shock:
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Ah, the Good Reverend Phelps. The fundie you love to hate. :twisted:
...This would sharpen you up and make you ready for a bit of the old...ultraviolence.
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When Falwell says someone has taken gay-bashing too far, you know that someone is really fucked up.
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Phelps is just showing us what happens when you think the Old Testament should be used as a basis for law in the modern age.
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As terrible as it sounds, Phelps is the one person who I would go out of my way to harm. :D
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Re: Fred Phelps

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jaeger115 wrote:
"I found it almost impossible to believe that human beings could be so brutal and vicious to a hurting family," said the Rev. Jerry Falwell.
This coming from Falwell?! :shock: :shock:
Just goes to show you Falwell has a tiny glimmer of deceny still left in him.
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Fred Phelps : 0 to Complete asshole in less than a femetosecond......
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Oh my god... Look at this! Taken from godhatesfundies.com!

http://www.godhatesfundies.com/misc/ath/ch2.shtml

Phelps must DIE!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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He is a truly despicable individual. A man who kicks and punches his children in the stomach while laughing at them and spitting in their faces. A man who is caught beating his sobbing son with a broom handle and who merely chuckles. People like this simply do not deserve to live.
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:evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

I seriously feel like beating the shit out of him with a very large stick with a nail stuck on top of it...
Its a wonder people still follow him despite how he treats his children.

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Though he believes he should be the next governor of Kansas, Pastor Phelps has never believed in Christmas. A mattock is a pick-hoe using a wooden handle heavier than a bat. Fred swung it with both hands like a ballplayer and with all his might. "The first blow stunned your whole body," says Mark. "By the third blow, your backside was so tender, even the lightest strike was agonizing, but he'd still hit you like he wanted to put it over the fence. By 20, though, you'd have grown numb with pain. That was when my father would quit and start on my brother. Later, when the feeling had returned and it hurt worse than before, he'd do it again. "After 40 strokes, I was weak and nauseous and very pale. My body hurt terribly. Then it was Nate's turn. He got 40 each time. "I staggered to the bathtub where my mom was wetting a towel to swab my face. Behind me, I could hear the mattock and my brother was choking and moaning. He was crying and he wouldn't stop." The voice in the phone halts. After an awkward moment, clearing of throats, it continues: "Then I heard my father shouting my name. My mom was right there, but she wouldn't help me. It hurt so badly during the third beating that I kept wanting to drop so he would hit me in the head. I was hoping I'd be knocked out, or killed...anything to end the pain. "After that...it was waiting that was terrible. You didn't know if, when he was done with Nate, he'd hurt you again. I was shaking in a cold panic. Twenty-five years since it happened, and the same sick feeling in my stomach comes back now..." Did he? Come back to you?
Motherfucking son of a bitch... :evil:

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I can't really think of a punishment suitably brutal for ol' Freddie. Maybe it'd be better to just shoot him and let Satan take care of the rest.
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Why don't we RayCav him?
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I hate having to say this, because it really pushes the edge of my morals, but there are some people who do not deserve to live. Phelps might have been a boxer, but he apparently never learned the self-discipline that's supposed to go along with the sport. I just feel sorry for that boy Jacob, having to grow up today with Phelps as his grandfather and a Phelps-worshiping daughter for his adoptive mother.
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Dale, RayCav is too gentle. This man deserves to be tortured for as long as possible and as painfully as possible in the most despicable ways possible.
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If I ever see that piece of shit, child beating, homophobic disgrace to humanity, I will have a very difficult time keeping myself from killing him. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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kojikun wrote:Dale, RayCav is too gentle. This man deserves to be tortured for as long as possible and as painfully as possible in the most despicable ways possible.
In other words he's exactly what RayCav is looking for.
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Kidnap him, then air mail his ass to Saudi.
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Wicked Pilot wrote:Kidnap him, then air mail his ass to Saudi.
They'd probably end it too quickly. He deserves something more along the lines of the rest of his life in some brutal third-world prison, being beaten daily.
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All I would need is an alibi, I would have very few qualms with killing him
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With a guy who can easily beat his own 12 children, hound his wife into submission, and rail against homosexuals all in the same sentence, I wonder why the feds haven't arrested him yet. :evil: :evil: :evil:
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lord wong, he would be accepted as a spiritual leader in Saudi Arabia..

jaeger, the world will never know why such things are permitted.
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jaeger115 wrote:With a guy who can easily beat his own 12 children, hound his wife into submission, and rail against homosexuals all in the same sentence, I wonder why the feds haven't arrested him yet. :evil: :evil: :evil:
Freedom of religion.

If you beat the living shit out of your kids and you're not religious, you go to jail. If you beat the living shit out of your kids and you say the Bible made you do it, then you're just expressing your beliefs. Hell, there are more than a dozen states which have EXPLICIT exemptions from their child-abuse laws for religious people, so that Jehovah's Witnesses won't go to jail for refusing medical treatments for their kids and thus causing them to die through what would normally be classified as parental negligence/abuse.
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Freedom of religion.

If you beat the living shit out of your kids and you're not religious, you go to jail. If you beat the living shit out of your kids and you say the Bible made you do it, then you're just expressing your beliefs. Hell, there are more than a dozen states which have EXPLICIT exemptions from their child-abuse laws for religious people, so that Jehovah's Witnesses won't go to jail for refusing medical treatments for their kids and thus causing them to die through what would normally be classified as parental negligence/abuse.
Another reason why America needs me for president. No one seems to have the balls to confront this issue head-on. :evil: :evil:
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jaeger115 wrote:Oh my god... Look at this! Taken from godhatesfundies.com!

http://www.godhatesfundies.com/misc/ath/ch2.shtml

Phelps must DIE!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
What The Goddam Fuck?!?!?!!! :evil:

I just read that linky. It is a wonder Phelps has not been reported to some agency with this admission.
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