The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion

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McC wrote:In all cases, improving art resolution (vertex count, texture size, etc.) is going to amp up system requirements. In most cases, the visual improvements I've seen come at the expense of perf (terrain being an obvious one, but essentially every visual mod hurts a bit). Bethesda, however, is constrained to produce a game that people can run. And yes, I realize when Oblivion came out, people could barely run it. Keep that in mind. ;)
Absolute nonsense. Tex swaps to similar-sized but better quality does NOT increase resource hit. Changing models to similar poly versions with better UV or whatever does NOT increase performance hit. Several mods improve performance of Oblivion ANYWAY simply by optimising settings Beth are too stupid or lazy to do themselves, and almost immediately after Oblivion was released people were using 'push the LOD way out' mods. Morrowind could barely be played when it was released, Oblivion was nowhere near the same level (which is just due to Beth's horrible coding anyway).
Charlemagne wrote:but I can't help it that Oblivion was still fun, and so was wading through mods - I totally know that this is not for everyone, though. But yeah, I'd like to see Bethesda putting out a game with overall really high quality, because that would make for an even better modder's sandbox.
For sure; I played a fair bit of Oblivion myself and at least at the low end it was fun. The point Zod made was about quality, however, and mods are irrelevant to base game quality. I consider the game basically unplayable without levelling mods, and that's the mark of a totally hopeless game. If it wasn't Elder Scrolls Instant GOTY because Nerds are Predictable, it would have just sunk into obscurity like all the other flawed fantasy games.
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Guys, just a question about my first Side Quest: I got asked by this guy named Glarthir (who's apparently the local "town eccentric" in Skingard) to spy on these people. Yet, at the same time, I was told by the Captain of the City Guard not to trust Glarthir and to report to him if he asks for anything strange. Who should I trust?
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I hate people like you. 'Oh no a decision how do I get the best result????' Jesus fuck go play Witcher and explode under the pressure. :lol:
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Stark wrote:...

I hate people like you. 'Oh no a decision how do I get the best result????' Jesus fuck go play Witcher and explode under the pressure. :lol:
Now that wasn't very nice of you was it?

Ah well, I've already started helping Glarthir so it's a moot point anyway. That gold he promised was too tempting for my thug.
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LOL so NOW you're 'roleplaying', but you still wanted to know the best path to the best loot.

PROTIP - it's a Beth game. With a few exceptions, if the quest is at all ambiguous it's meaningless what you decide. This is Beth's trademark 'awful quest design', because when you've got to cut n paste it into 300 meaningless fedex quests, there's NO TIME for quality. :lol:
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Man up, and save state like the rest of us.
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Stark wrote:LOL so NOW you're 'roleplaying', but you still wanted to know the best path to the best loot.

PROTIP - it's a Beth game. With a few exceptions, if the quest is at all ambiguous it's meaningless what you decide. This is Beth's trademark 'awful quest design', because when you've got to cut n paste it into 300 meaningless fedex quests, there's NO TIME for quality. :lol:
It's it really so bad that my wandering thug wants money to buy pretty death-dealing devices?
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Rawtooth wrote:Man up, and save state like the rest of us.
I had a dream once where simply typing a few words into google could answer all your questions about pretty much any game ever.

Just a dream, though, right?
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Stark wrote:I had a dream once where simply typing a few words into google could answer all your questions about pretty much any game ever.

Just a dream, though, right?
True, the magical answer machine of Google is available. I prefer just dicking around in the game and seeing what comes up though.
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You mean you don't min/max and attempt to best-path on your first playthrough? You mean you actually experience the game as a series of decisions and challenges rather than 'the faq says click 2,1,2,3'?

WHAT INSANITY.
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Stark wrote:LOL so NOW you're 'roleplaying', but you still wanted to know the best path to the best loot.
How much you want to bet he buys strategy guides? :lol:
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Dude collectors edition Fallout 3 guide = more than half the price of the game, to reduce the playing time by 70-80%. BARGAIN.
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CaptHawkeye wrote:
Stark wrote:LOL so NOW you're 'roleplaying', but you still wanted to know the best path to the best loot.
How much you want to bet he buys strategy guides? :lol:
I don't.
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Kaiser Caesar wrote:
CaptHawkeye wrote:
Stark wrote:LOL so NOW you're 'roleplaying', but you still wanted to know the best path to the best loot.
How much you want to bet he buys strategy guides? :lol:
I don't.
Ha! Sure. Seriously though I don't mind. If you want to turn a game into a movie... well that's you. Me and Stark have this strange habit of playing a game and preferring to make world changing or at least character changing decisions of our own accord. Damnedest thing right?

I'm honestly amused that you chose Oblivion of all games to play in such a manner. Oblivion has a hard enough time just pretending it doesn't spoon feed you as it is.
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Stark wrote:You mean you don't min/max and attempt to best-path on your first playthrough? You mean you actually experience the game as a series of decisions and challenges rather than 'the faq says click 2,1,2,3'?

WHAT INSANITY.
I try to min/max character build, and that's about it. Having had too many encounters with poor choices leading to an unplayable character later on is my reasoning for that.

As for the rest, yes. I try the various paths, although I find I have a tendency to cleave close to a certain set once I find a general direction I like. I actually dislike the "best-path" in some games.
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CaptHawkeye wrote:
Kaiser Caesar wrote:
CaptHawkeye wrote:
How much you want to bet he buys strategy guides? :lol:
I don't.
Ha! Sure. Seriously though I don't mind. If you want to turn a game into a movie... well that's you. Me and Stark have this strange habit of playing a game and preferring to make world changing or at least character changing decisions of our own accord. Damnedest thing right?

I'm honestly amused that you chose Oblivion of all games to play in such a manner. Oblivion has a hard enough time just pretending it doesn't spoon feed you as it is.
All I wanted to know is if Glathir was trustable or not. It's a side quest of all things, anyway. It's not like its something major or anything.
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If you want to know if Glarthir is trust able....why don't you play and find out? If you're so scared about what the game will (not) do to you, why don't you save just before making the decision? That way you can have your cake and eat it too.

Clearly you aren't interested in playing the game. Which begs the question, why are you playing it?
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CaptHawkeye wrote:If you want to know if Glarthir is trust able....why don't you play and find out? If you're so scared about what the game will (not) do to you, why don't you save just before making the decision? That way you can have your cake and eat it too.

Clearly you aren't interested in playing the game. Which begs the question, why are you playing it?
I'm playing it because I want to play it.
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Biggest bit of advice if you haven't figured it out, third person mode is utterly useless.
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If they'd let you adjust the camera position it could have been cool, but fixed, far, character centred AND terrible player animations made it a complete waste of time.

What's that? Beth wasting time on a poorly implemented system without ever really thinking about it? :)
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Kaiser Caesar:

Oh what the hell...Glathir is insane. He's a paranoid schizophrenic as best as I can tell and he's off his rocker. Happy?

Listen, sometimes in games it's good to just make a decision and deal with the consequences. What these guys are saying about Bethseda's broken quest system is true - you can never be punished. Ever. If one person doesn't give you gold for finishing a quest, then the other guy who wants you to do XYZ is probably going to hand over near the same amount. As for the rest of the quests they almost all rely on finding something special like a stone, or killing somebody, or traveling to a particular location to enter a dungeon. There's no consequences save for forsaking a gift from a daedric god or something. Oh and there might be a few character's you can let die but the only thing that will happen is that you might go to bed feeling bad that bland character X died.

The bigger point is sometimes you have to deal with making the wrong decision. I already feel like I've repeated too much of what's already been said, but just take a few moments and re-read Stark's and CaptainHawkeye's posts. There's a great deal of truth and them and in fact a great deal of advice on how you should play a game (which is not like a movie which is what role playing should avoid).
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I understand what Stark and CaptHawkeye were telling me now. I wanted other people to play the game for me, rather then trying to play it for myself.
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KC? If you want fun then try and kill every single person you see in the game. :)
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