Who's worse?

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-02-03 12:21am

In looking at recent history of both franchises, I've come to a conclusion.

1. Berman and Braga hate Star Trek fans.
- They write the same predigested pap for every show.
- They sacrifice the "science" in "science fiction."
- Continuity? What's that?

2. George Lucas hates Star Wars fans.
- He character-assassinates badasses by showing them as whiny children.
- He needlessly throws together as many character from the original trilogy as possible.
- He makes "clever" self-references at every turn. Something only a rabid fan would notice.

Singular Quartet · Post by **Singular Quartet** » 2003-02-03 12:34am

Lucas at least had the Original Trilogy. B&B just have loads of shit.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-02-03 12:35am

At least with SW we can have books considered as canon.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-03 12:37am

GL may not be great in all things but compared to B&B...sorry there is no comparison.

B&B have made Star Trek into complete and total crap in all but the most rabid horndog(Enterprise.....urgh).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 12:38am

Your list for GL seems to reveal some bias.

I don't think I've heard that GL hates fans. The closest thing I've heard is that he doesn't care about or listen to what critics say.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-03 12:42am

GL may have fucked up the new trilogy (TPM

) but it is minusclue in comparison to B&B, who have gone GREAT lengths to purposeley screw up their franchise, for as of yet unknown reasons.

Whereas the OT is a classic and AOTC was dozens of times more watchable/enjoyable then TPM. Voyager and ENT, which are the shows B&B created themselves; as up to then they'd still been using Roddenberrty story lines, are universely reviled by Trek and non-Trek fans alike.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-03 03:22am

Lucas has unfortunately been drawn to special effects to a fault, possibly because thats where millions of his dollars come from ya? Assuming both sides are screwing up equally though (Even though GL puts out a way better product) BnB are putting out crap as to Lucas' 2-3 year intervals.

TPM had its faults but I still liked it. Of course "The Phantom Edit is my favorite cut though... Still Thoe 16 hours waiting in line, cutting class, playing cards, swigs out of a flask. Totally worth it.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-03 05:50am

Baron Mordo wrote:
George Lucas hates Star Wars fans.
- He character-assassinates badasses by showing them as whiny children.

Erm- is this the same George Lucas that gave the fans Jango Fett?

He needlessly throws together as many character from the original trilogy as possible.

This means he hates fans, how?

He makes "clever" self-references at every turn. Something only a rabid fan would notice.

LOL. Putting in stuff for the 'rabid' fan is evidence of hatred?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-03 06:18am

Lucas isn't great, but he chose to have fairly light sided prequels and I can live with that, even though my version of TPM would probably end up unrated.

But B&B just shit on the fans and everyone else at every turn. They're far worse and are intentionally destroying a franchise to avoid having to make any real effort.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-03 07:20am

Trying to compare Lucas, a minor evil, to B&B is like trying to compare the little evil of a shoplifter to the Huge Evil of say a Mass Murderer. This pole is a farce.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 10:34am

Indeed. In my opinion, it is a biased farce.

George Lucas is doing what I only wish I could do: make the films he wants to the way he wants to. In my opinion, he has grasped the impossible dream.

That is why he will always remain a role model of mine.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-02-03 11:58am

SW is GL's baby. He can tweak them because of "artistic vision."

B&B took ST and created crap. Case in point, Enterprise.

Rhoades · Post by **Rhoades** » 2003-02-03 02:11pm

I agree, with mostly everyone is saying. The only thing I feel is truly wrong with Lucas is that the prequal trilogy has lost it's magic that made the original. This could be inpart to the fact that the classic 'feel' could never be reproduced. Or, it could be the fact that he's making the new ones on the 'softer side' theme which to me had made many of the plot point contrived and they should had been done better, IMHO.

B & B, on the other hand. Gone above and beyond. Lucas at least has some creditibility.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-03 02:20pm

We only have a few minor points in TPM to really criticise with Lucas. With B&B we have all of Voyager and a couple seasons of Enterprise flooding the airwaves with crap.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-02-03 02:35pm

Lucas is a lousy dialogue writer, a mediocre plot writer, and a FANTASTIC visual director.

B&B spew acres of shit out of their mutual assholes.

Which do YOU think?

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-03 04:56pm

Who was the asshole who voted Lucas as the worse?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 04:58pm

Probably one of those babies that think Lucas is "ruining" "their" Star Wars...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-03 05:03pm

Who the hell voted for Lucas and didn't justify his opinion?

Anyway, Lucas created Star Wars, thus he can do whatever the hell he wants with it. B&B, on the other hand, have taken Rodennbury's creation and turned it into shit.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-03 07:43pm

Baron Mordo wrote:
2. George Lucas hates Star Wars fans.
- He character-assassinates badasses by showing them as whiny children.

In other words, he changes the trilogy so that instead of an anti-hero, Darth Vader becomes a TRAGIC hero.

- He needlessly throws together as many character from the original trilogy as possible.

In other words, he continues the original theme of the trilogy, which was how the actions of a small group of people could affect the entire Galaxy. Star Wars is, like almost all fantasy, a story about destiny.

- He makes "clever" self-references at every turn. Something only a rabid fan would notice.

In other words, he continues to keep with continuity. Only a rabid-fan would notice if continuity were totally destroyed by the Prequels.

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-03 07:49pm

I would say that B&B (Bullshit & bitch) are so much worse than Lucas. One, Lucas has more critical acclaim and more Oscars TM. Two, Lucas is smarter than a jar of mayo and a potato.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-02-03 08:16pm

I'd definately say B&B.

Lucas did add "midi-chlorians" and Jar-Jar to TPM, but AotC made up for most of it, IMO, and the OT has proven that Lucas can make real classics, as opposed to B&B, who have not demonstrated that ability at all.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-03 08:22pm

Baron Mordo wrote:
2. George Lucas hates Star Wars fans.

- He needlessly throws together as many character from the original trilogy as possible.
- He makes "clever" self-references at every turn. Something only a rabid fan would notice.

Which would please SW fans asshole.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-02-03 11:10pm

I say B&B are the worst of two evils, GL just doesn't know how tomake magic, B&B are just in it for the cashcow and slaughtering the name of Trek as they do it as well.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-03 11:22pm

The SW prequel trilogy aren't as good as the original trilogy for me, but to even THINK of comparing them to B&B is simply ridiculous. Even if you cringe at the dialogue, there are lasting images and wondrous sights to see in both the prequels; what the fuck have B&B given us?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-03 11:41pm

Darth Wong wrote:The SW prequel trilogy aren't as good as the original trilogy for me, but to even THINK of comparing them to B&B is simply ridiculous. Even if you cringe at the dialogue, there are lasting images and wondrous sights to see in both the prequels; what the fuck have B&B given us?

A multitude of different shots in the decontamination chamber.

I don't think that the prequels are as good as the OT as stand-alones, however I think that they enhance the overall impact of the OT tremendously. It's very interesting to see how all six movies are coming together to form a saga.

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