Reboot

[Kartr_Kana]

After staging a bloodless coup of Skywalker Ranch and LFL HQ we the august members of this secret societ...erm this board are now in charge of re-writing what is and isn't canon.

Which works should remain canon and which should be "burned"? Is a particular work salvageable? The only works that you cannot touch are Episodes 4, 5 and 6.

Short List:
Keep: both Han Solo trilogies, The Lando trilogy, Dark Forces, Dark Forces 2:Jedi Knight/Mysteries of the Sith, Jedi Outcast, KotOR and the comics, X-Wing/Wraith Series(some need salvaging), Hand of Thrawn Duology(sp), Shadow's of the Empire, Most of the RPG books, the Tales anthologies.

Salvageable: TTT, Episode 1, The NJO, Hard Contact, most prequel novels

"Burn":LoTF, anything by KT other then Hard Contact, Crystal Star, Children of the Jedi, DarkSaber, the Killik Trilogy, Ep 2 & 3,

[Ender]

PM IP and ask to be in on the fanfic project.

[Kartr_Kana]

Thanks Ender I didn't know there was one

[Galvatron]

After staging a bloodless coup of Skywalker Ranch and LFL HQ we the august members of this secret societ...erm this board are now in charge of re-writing what is and isn't canon.

Don't reply on this thread or someone will nag you to death for necromancy.

[Kartr_Kana]

ah but I am not talking about 1980 here, though that was an interesting thread. I'm talking about not touching the OT and mostly focusing on removing shitty stories from canon with minor rewrites to some of the better EU material and a major revision of the PT. However there seems to already be such a project currently in progress that I will hopefully get to participate in.

[Battlehymn Republic]

There already is an in-universe reboot. It's called the Legacy comic.

[Kartr_Kana]

Sorry I should have used a different thread title

[Havok]

There already is an in-universe reboot. It's called the Legacy comic.

I don't know if it is a reboot if you set it in the future and have a somewhat original plot going. Some people might just call that a new story.

[Captain Piett]

There already is an in-universe reboot. It's called the Legacy comic.

I don't know if it is a reboot if you set it in the future and have a somewhat original plot going. Some people might just call that a new story.

Yeah, that's just staking out a an unexplored timeframe in the existing continuity-- sort of like what KOTOR or those comics where the Jedi all wore that dorky armor or whatever, but moving in the opposite direction from the movies.

A "reboot" implies some sort of purge of existing things from continuity.

[Havok]

Heh. Oops. Forgot my little sarcastic wink. Don't want you folks thinking I don't know what a reboot is.

[Captain Piett]

Heh. Oops. Forgot my little sarcastic wink. Don't want you folks thinking I don't know what a reboot is.

Oh, no, I was agreeing with you there.

[Darth Yan]

I don't think episode 3 should be burned, just altered; The whole death of the jedi sequence was very well done, and it's not wholly unsalvegable; but yes, burn everything after TUF

[Kartr_Kana]

Palpantines denunciation of the Jedi, and manipulation of the public mind was great. The whole Order 66 was a pretty good way to start the Purge. However the Purge lasted long after Order 66, the Empire was using everything from bounty hunters, to Gank Killers, to Inquisitors, to Vader himself to hunt down the Jedi for years after the beginning of the Purge. The movie portrayal makes it look much cleaner and swifter then that.

While you can keep that or something very similar, you are going to have to re-write pretty much the entire PT era. It's not the clone wars at all. It's a Republic Civil war, infact it'd make just as much sense to call it "the Droid Wars". In the following era clones are feared and reviled and the clone wars are filled with mad clones going apeshit on their "owners" and launching psychotic wars through out the galaxy. The movies give us no reason to fear clones, in fact they're the hero's!

[Captain Piett]

Palpantines denunciation of the Jedi, and manipulation of the public mind was great. The whole Order 66 was a pretty good way to start the Purge. However the Purge lasted long after Order 66, the Empire was using everything from bounty hunters, to Gank Killers, to Inquisitors, to Vader himself to hunt down the Jedi for years after the beginning of the Purge. The movie portrayal makes it look much cleaner and swifter then that.

While you can keep that or something very similar, you are going to have to re-write pretty much the entire PT era. It's not the clone wars at all. It's a Republic Civil war, infact it'd make just as much sense to call it "the Droid Wars". In the following era clones are feared and reviled and the clone wars are filled with mad clones going apeshit on their "owners" and launching psychotic wars through out the galaxy. The movies give us no reason to fear clones, in fact they're the hero's!

Well, they were the heroes until their pre-programmed clone conditioning was triggered and without batting an eye they turned on their own leaders and then proceeded to murder a bunch of children with Vader. The way that Cody smiles and hands Obi Wan his lightsaber, then tries to gun him down like a minute later because a guy told him too, seems like the movie giving us a reason to hate/fear the clones.

[Kartr_Kana]

Gives us but in universe they're the ones who saved the galaxy by destroying the evil and oppressive Jedi. Like I said hero's not villians so feared that the very thought of a new round of that is enough to frighten the leadership of not only the NR, but the Empire as well.

[Darth Yan]

I also think that the NJO should be kept, but maybe changed a little bit, except make Vergere's theory in line with the Unifying Force and completely cut the bullshit about how she was a sith (maybe have her been a former sith who repented); I mean her being a sith just made Jacen seem less heroic, and it pissed all over the growth the NJO did; Maybe keep the basic skeleton of KT's books but completely remove the anti-jedi, mando-wanking, and minimalism. Just my two cents.

[Kartr_Kana]

I can agree with re-working the NJO, but the bio-wank is going to have to go. No rock-eating colony of polyps is going to fire volcano guns at Star Destroyers and win.

I don't think Veregere was a Sith in the NJO that was added in later by crappy authors writing crappy novels.

KT is getting Hard Contact and that's it.

[Darth Yan]

I agree with Vergere being a sith added by crap writers (I can only stomach it due to it's appearence in Claws of the Dragon), but I don't mind the Bio wank; Indeed, TUF counts as my all time favorite star wars book; however, the NJO could be set several centuries or millenia later then the Hand of Thrawn duolagy, and maybe make the NR less mind bogglingly crippled and deploreably stupid in all of the pre njo books, because it does get tiresome (hell, thats why they started the NJO in the first place, because they were so creatively bankrupt)

[Kartr_Kana]

You can still use the bio-"tech" for things like computers or droids, even the organic bases from the Conquest book are ok. However (I link a previous discussion on this topic after I get off work) once you start talking about space craft on the SW level of capability you can't do it with organics. It has to be fusion or better reactors and exotic metallic and ceramic structures.

[The Romulan Republic]

When you say we can't touch the first three films, do you mean the original versions, or Lucas's new and improved additions?

Beyond that, I'd decanonize almost everything automatically. Works would then be submitted for review. If something failed to pass, it would be granted an official "alternate universe" status.

I would keep the ICS (possibly editted), probably Dark Lord, probably KOTOR, and possibly one of the two Clone Wars shows. And of course Episodes 2 and 3 (1 might or might not get cut). I can't think of anything else to be honest (keeping The Thrawn Trilogy may require decanonizing the entire Prequel Trilogy, though I'm betting their's more than a few of us who'd be cool with that exchange ).

[Kartr_Kana]

I'd definitely trade TTT for the PT. The dark, chaotic, multi-sided conflict raging for several decades that the TTT hints at sounds a lot more interesting then GL's 3 year civil war. Also it seems to mesh better with the way Obi-wan talked about it ever so briefly in ANH.

[The Romulan Republic]

I'd definitely trade TTT for the PT. The dark, chaotic, multi-sided conflict raging for several decades that the TTT hints at sounds a lot more interesting then GL's 3 year civil war. Also it seems to mesh better with the way Obi-wan talked about it ever so briefly in ANH.

Episode 3 and especially Episode 2 I considered decent Star Wars films, plus maybe I have enough respect and good will left for Lucas that I would give his wishes serious consideration.

That's not to say I'll aprove of an EU author just because Lucas was to lazy/uninterested to stop them from publishing. 95%+ of the EU would most likely be labled alt-universe, or in some cases outright disowned, if I was in charge.

[Kartr_Kana]

I enjoy watching Ep2, 3 and even think they'd make decent SWs except for the fact that they don't show an actual clone war. If there had been decade of constant wars with the Republic under Palpantine fighting a war of re-unification with Ep2, 3 being the final battle that defeats the last of the splinter "nations". This would allow Palpantine to ride a wave of acclaim and mistrust of relatively independent partner nations to solidify the government in to an Empire that would keep the horror of the Clone Wars from ever happening again. Think a cross between the US Civil War and Vietnam. Where Palpantine would be a Abraham Lincolnesque figure.

[Battlehymn Republic]

Legacy acts like a Reboot in many ways. By setting it in a far future where the Empire has arisen again and the Jedi are underground they're essentially doing a new version of the classic films, while safely ignoring a lot of the cruft that has built up in the EU. The covers of the original story arc kind of call to mind a retro feel of ANH. Sia Fel is like a new Leia, Cade himself is a mix of Han and the reverse of Luke, and there's other stuff like that.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Legacy isn't ballsy and removed and non-derivative enough for me. I'd put Legacy like 5000 or 10000 years in the future and well into the Second Empire (having been up and running for a hundred year or so) having risen from the Second (New) Republic. And then have a plot more inspired by the early drafts.