Star Wars vs. Star Trek vs. Halo vs. Star Gate post asgard

[HolyReaperX01]

i've gotten tired of SW vs. ST threads 'cause it's either point out the obviouse SW fans or data neglegent ST fans but so i added Halo and Star Gate post asgard[because thats when Earth ships got weapons that could destroy the Ori which other than that could only be destroyed by vortex of a wormhole or other Ori ships, though the asgard can be used as a factor becuase a shootoff faction live in Peguses,though not so benevlolent] and im wondering how people think that would change the equation and in whose favor[please have valid data to support ur viewpoint] and u have to consider all the aspects including who would be most likely to ally w/ eachother if anyone...

[Erik von Nein]

Star Wars wins. End of story.

Wait, you want more? Well, look up the old threads where people have already pitted these individual universes against Star Wars to see how badly they all get mauled. Sure, the Star Gate and Star Trek universes all have their little one-off devices but, like has been pointed out in those threads, they don't win against the sheer mass of Star Wars' ability to mass-produce weapons and soldiers.

[HolyReaperX01]

[quote="Erik von Nein"]Star Wars wins. End of story.quote]

if the most advanced stargate ships have the power travel within the galaxy within seconds[same speed it takes to dial and step through a stargate] when it can take days for star wars ships that right there shows that they also have weapons power more then comparible w/ star wars...

...the sheer mass of the covenent would stand up to star wars for a long while plus there ground capabilities match if not outmatch star wars foot soldiers...


...star trek dies in a matter of days...

[Batman]

Here's 5 bucks. Buy yourself some punctuation. It's going to save you grief and us headaches. If you have money left over buy yourself some proper spelling, too.

And care to give as an even MORE undefined scenario? Is it a free-for-all for all 4 universes meaning Trek can bring the Organians, the Q, Trelane's parents, the Dowd, Wormhole Aliens and other assorted superbeings, Wars gets Vuffi Ra's parents and the Aing-Tii monks, and the Ancients get involved on the Stargate side for a change? Do the Ori ally with the Tau'ri and the Jaffa against an external threat (and is there one to begin with)? Are the Goa'uld still a factor? Is this about mutual annihilation, a war for conquest, arbitrary encounter that must result in battle because this is a vs, what?

If it's AQ powers vs Empire vs Tau'ri/Jaffa vs WHOEVER is the prime player in Halo, Trek as usual gets steamrolled in passing without the Empire even noticing, and Stargate is screwed, too. If memory serves their firepower is in the MT to GT range. Unless they can technobabble their way around Wars shields that's going to do dick against Wars shields (and might still do dick against Wars hulls).
Can't comment on Halo.

[Erik von Nein]

if the most advanced stargate ships have the power travel within the galaxy within seconds[same speed it takes to dial and step through a stargate] when it can take days for star wars ships that right there shows that they also have weapons power more then comparible w/ star wars...

No, that shows they have travel technology that's sort-of better than Star Wars, only not since it only allows travel between pre-set destinations with limited mass-per-transportation. That says nothing about it's weapons technology.

...the sheer mass of the covenent would stand up to star wars for a long while plus there ground capabilities match if not outmatch star wars foot soldiers...

The "mass" of the Covenant took, what, years to defeat Earth's forces? Sure, they had to go a-hunting, but their ground troops were apparently on par, if not worse than, Earth's own forces ... who had barely better weapons than modern-day Earth. Their ships were, at least, better than Earth's, but they're in no way comparable to any capital ship from Star Wars. Like I said, there's been dozens of topics about this already. They're not going to last more than a couple volleys, if that.

...star trek dies in a matter of days...

If Star Trek dies in a matter of days all three of them die within a week.

I don't remember numbers off the top of my head, so how about you just look up the topics, like I said already? There's a search function for a reason. I don't think anyone wants to post (yet again) numbers just so another stupid VS match up can be soundly brought to a conclusion.

[SilverWingedSeraph]

if the most advanced stargate ships have the power travel within the galaxy within seconds[same speed it takes to dial and step through a stargate]

I can't recall a single instance where a ship in hyperspace travels faster than a stargate, without some weird thing helping it out. In fact, the "anywhere in the galaxy within seconds" is pure bullshit. True, Asgard and Ancient hyperdrives are shown to be faster than Star Wars, but not by a massive amount.

that right there shows that they also have weapons power more then comparible w/ star wars...

No, it doesn't. Just because their hyperdrive is faster, doesn't mean their weapons are comparable with those of a Star Wars ship. They can walk all over Trek, but I'd say they're not even close to the power of an ISD. And their numbers are CERTAINLY no match for Star Wars. They have a handful of ships. Even if they had Wars-level firepower, they wouldn't stand a chance.

...the sheer mass of the covenent would stand up to star wars for a long while plus there ground capabilities match if not outmatch star wars foot soldiers...

The Empire has the resources of an entire galaxy. The Covenant would likely be small fries in comparison. And while perhaps their ground forces might be a match for Imperial forces, their ships doubtfully are.

[Batman]

Star Wars wins. End of story.

if the most advanced stargate ships have the power travel within the galaxy within seconds[same speed it takes to dial and step through a stargate] when it can take days for star wars ships

Try hours.

that right there shows that they also have weapons power more then comparible w/ star wars...

It does most certainly not. The only thing that would show them having firepower on par with Star Wars would be them showing firepower on par with Star Wars.
Their stardrive speeds says something about-their stardrive speed and that's it.

...the sheer mass of the covenent would stand up to star wars for a long while plus there ground capabilities match if not outmatch star wars foot soldiers...

Hey, thanks for providing all the valid data supporting that.

[Ghost Rider]

1. We've had these before and really Stargate provides the most interesting because of the variety of upper powers and oddball deus ex devices.

2. Make a concise topic, this is near blithering.

3. Why have so many powers? Star Trek dies, Halo gets raped even further, and Stargate is the only one that is kinda interesting. Not because of any hint of victory, but they at least have something slightly better then the average garbage scow in SW.

So I'll ask this. Provide something to give something to debate beyond your personal navel gazing.

[Erik von Nein]

How are their ground forces a match for Star Wars, anyway? They're elites and hunters are their best ground-troop asset and the elites most certainly don't match the fire-power of the basic blaster pistol. Did the plasma riffle ever blast fist-sized chunks out of sci-fi concrete? I can't remember any such instance. So a few of them can turn semi-invisible and have swords. Wee. Hunters are probably on par with crew-served heavy weapons.

Like I said, Earth's forces in Halo were on par or better than The Covenant's own forces, which is why so many ground encounters ended up resulting in the planet getting glassed from orbit by The Covenant's ships. All the human weapons were comparable to today's assault riffles, shot-guns, pistols and rocket launchers, let alone tanks and Humvees.

[HolyReaperX01]

when it comes to the ftl flight...if u have the ability to power hyperdrive more effectively than star wars why can't they take that same power source/technology and use w/ weapons or shields...let me rephrase the speed, it takes them seconds to minutes to cross the galaxy w/ the most advance ships while the inferior ships take hours to 3 or 4 days but those rank in the thousand.when i came started this arguement i intended that u guys came w/ the evidence..the entire corusca galaxy for star wars the entire "known galaxy for st and halo" and both the milky way and peguses galaxys for star gate where the intended topics of arguement im not discarding any force that could change the equation now instead of telling me how stupid everyone but star wars is and how all powerful they are please actually have a actual debate...

[SilverWingedSeraph]

I'm sorry, I need to understand you in order to debate you.

Come back when you understand the basics of capitalisation and grammar. Jesus Christ.

[Erik von Nein]

First: GOD DAMN IT LEARN TO TYPE PROPERLY!

when it comes to the ftl flight...if u have the ability to power hyperdrive more effectively than star wars why can't they take that same power source/technology and use w/ weapons or shields...let me rephrase the speed, it takes them seconds to minutes to cross the galaxy w/ the most advance ships while the inferior ships take hours to 3 or 4 days but those rank in the thousand.

Um, what? Anyway, the reason why they can't take the same energy and power weapons is because they've never demonstrated the ability two. Never mind that your mode of transportation and your weapons systems are completely different systems designed in different ways.

when i came started this arguement i intended that u guys came w/ the evidence..

Exactly the kind you're not presenting?

As I said, just look up the old threads pertaining to old SW VS SG or SW VS Halo that already exist. It'll save everyone time and frustration.

the entire corusca galaxy for star wars the entire "known galaxy for st and halo" and both the milky way and peguses galaxys for star gate where the intended topics of arguement im not discarding any force that could change the equation now instead of telling me how stupid everyone but star wars is and how all powerful they are please actually have a actual debate...

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Are you a non-native English speaker by chance? I think you just said that everyone's including, in which case the various ST and SG gods wage war among themselves or ignore each other entirely. Like, oh, I don't know, exactly like they have in their respective series. Except to throw in a token Deus Ex Machina every now and again.

The galaxy in Star Wars doesn't, if I recall correctly, have a name. It most certainly isn't "Corusca."

[Batman]

when it comes to the ftl flight...if u have the ability to power hyperdrive more effectively than star wars why can't they take that same power source/technology and use w/ weapons or shields...

Because faster hyperdrive does NOT automatically mean higher power generation. Neither does higher power generation (which you have yet to show) automatically mean higher shield strength and firepower. And I want my 5 bucks back.

let me rephrase the speed, it takes them seconds to minutes to cross the galaxy w/ the most advance ships while the inferior ships take hours to 3 or 4 days but those rank in the thousand.

And this is relevant how, exactly? Wars hyperdrive can CONSISTENTLY cross the galaxy in a matter of hours (in civilian ships no less) and the bare bones ludicrously minimalistic low end for Imperial fleet strength is 25,000 Star Destroyers.

when i came started this arguement i intended that u guys came w/ the evidence

We do. You don't. Numbers and firepower on the Stargate and Halo forces, if you could be bothered.

..the entire corusca galaxy for star wars the entire "known galaxy for st and halo" and both the milky way and peguses galaxys for star gate where the intended topics of arguement im not discarding any force that could change the equation

IOW, a free-for-all including all the superbeings from all the universes meaning it's fucking IMPOSSIBLE to properly debate thanks to a lot of the participants being walking(/floating) Talking No Limits Fallacies.

now instead of telling me how stupid everyone but star wars is and how all powerful they are please actually have a actual debate...

Not possible. Against the AQ powers (and the Borg, if you want), the Tau'ri/Jaffa/Goa'uld and apparently, the Halo forces, Wars has a field day. If we include the superbeings, all bets are off because their powers are effectively unquantifiable.

[HolyReaperX01]

whatever.

[Batman]

For someone who demands WE actually debate and have valid data at hand YOU are curiously reluctant to actually do the same.
I have yet to see you post a single solid number, or even an order of magnitude approximation. And you still owe me 5 dollars.

[Ghost Rider]

whatever.

Navel gazing it is!