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SIMPSONVILLE, S.C. -- Teens who take a pledge to abstain from sex until marriage are no less likely than their peers to actually refrain from sexual activity, according to a study published Monday.

And those teens are more likely to engage in sex without protection from disease or pregnancy, the research by Johns Hopkins University indicates.

The study by Johns Hopkins researcher Dr. Janet Elise Rosenbaum was released in the January edition of the Journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The findings come as no surprise to Mandy Black, founder of the Little Steps mentoring program in Simpsonville, S.C.

Little Steps was developed as a place where pregnant teens and young parents can find a sympathetic ear and advice from someone who's been there.

"We have a big belief here in being real about these kinds of things," Black told WYFF News 4's Beth Brotherton.

Black said she was unmarried when she had her first child at 18 -- after taking the pledge.

"I was heavily involved in an abstinence program through our church -- right before I got pregnant," Black said.

The Johns Hopkins study compared the attitudes and behavior of about 1,000 high school students who had taken a virginity pledge to those who hadn't.

Researchers said that they found no significant difference in sexual activity, including the number of partners or the age at which the teen lost his or her virginity.

The study also found that teens who had taken a virginity pledge were less likely to use condoms or other birth control.

Black said that she understands the appeal of abstinence programs and that many parents fear sending a mixed message by encouraging abstinence but still talking about birth control.

"We'd like to think the morality of it and that sort of thing is enough," Black said. "I think if we are not being real about the fact that teens are tempted with this, then we are missing the boat."

Lauren Kramer, a teen mother and visitor to Little Steps, said that peer pressure is stronger than ever.

Kramer said she adores her 11-month-old son but still preaches the virtues of abstinence to anyone who will listen.

"Once you lose your virginity, you've lost it, you can't gain it back," Kramer said. "Once you have a child, it changes everything. No more going to the mall, having fun."

Both Kramer and Black said that they believe morality taught at home is the most powerful lesson, but that just making a pledge isn't enough.

Previous studies have shown some success among abstinence programs.

Attempts to contact the pro-abstinence organization "True Love Waits" were not successful on Monday.
Time Magazine does an interview with the researcher who did the study.

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Tuesday, Dec. 30, 2008
Do Virginity Pledges Work?
By Alex Altman

The debate over sex education has long been a heated one. A new study released Dec. 29 found that a popular method of promoting abstinence — pledging to remain a virgin — doesn't appear to be the answer. To reach this conclusion, Janet Rosenbaum, a postdoctoral fellow at Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health, analyzed information gathered from nearly 1,000 teenagers, of which approximately 30% took a virginity pledge. Parsing the data, Rosenbaum found that the teenagers who took chastity vows were just as likely to have premarital sex as their peers—and significantly less likely to use protection. TIME talked to Rosenbaum, whose study appears in the January 2009 issue of Pediatrics, about her findings.

Can you walk me through how you did this?

The data I analyzed was from a federal study commissioned by Congress in the early 1990s. They collected data in 1995, 1996 and 2001. I analyzed this data using a statistical method that lets me compare pledgers with similar non-pledgers.

[Between the two groups, I measured, among other factors,] whether they'd feel guilty if they had sex; how often they go to church or attend religious youth groups; whether they identify as born-again Christians; their level of sexual experience; their friends' risk behaviors; whether they think their friends know how to use condoms; and their knowledge of condoms and birth control [as demonstrated by] a quiz that was part of the survey.

And what common threads did you discover?

I found that five years later, pledgers and non-pledgers don't differ at all in their sexual behavior. That includes oral and anal sex, which previous studies had speculated might be used as substitutes for vaginal intercourse. In this data, that seems not to be upheld. They don't differ in their age of sexual initiation; both groups initiated around 21 years old. That shows that this is quite a conservative group, because that's four years later than the American average. And they don't differ in number of lifetime partners. Each group had about three partners by age 21.

What aspects of your findings struck you as most surprising?

The fact that there was a difference in birth control use — especially in condom use — was really surprising. It's problematic for public health. Pledgers are 10 percentage points less likely than similar non-pledgers to use condoms.

Do you think that your findings will inform the debate over allocating federal or state resources to abstinence education?

States have actually already started to move away from requesting abstinence funds. We're down to about half of them that request funds currently. I think that they'll continue to move away unless the federal program changes. It's currently defined so that abstinence education is required to give the advantages of abstinence and the disadvantages of sex, which means that we can't teach birth control. The whole idea of abstinence education comes from this idea that if you teach birth control, that's going to cause kids to have sex. That's been tested probably over 100 times — certainly dozens of times — and it's never been shown as having any basis in reality.

Do you expect pushback from groups that advocate virginity pledges?

I see myself primarily as a researcher, not as an advocate. They're free to dislike the research but they can't dispute it unless they have a specific statistical basis on which to do so.

I ask because this is such a contentious issue.
I don't see myself as part of a culture war. I don't feel any particular glee in finding that virginity pledges don't work. Certainly it would be great if we had something that caused teenagers to delay sex. We do actually have these programs, but they're all sex education programs that actually teach birth control.

Stepping back from your role as a researcher, what method would you advocate schools or parents teach to get kids to delay sex?

Parents are absolutely crucial. They have to talk to their kids at every teachable opportunity. It can't just be one conversation, but repeated efforts. These have to include teaching kids to use condoms, which is something many are reluctant to do. Even parents who approve of premarital sex are still afraid that if they teach their kids to use condoms, it might be misconstrued as encouraging sex. And there's no basis for that.
Color me unsurprised. We have all known that abstinence only education is an absolute failure. Ignorance is not education. As predicted by anyone with a shred of expertise in the field, teenagers screw like rabbits and without knowledge of proper birth control techniques are at a greater risk of both STDs and pregnancy. Score another DUH moment for religious stupidity.
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The thing I've alwasy found silly about high-school virginity pledges is that by the time people end up in university they are so far removed from those early teen years. They are more mature, more in control of their emotions, and they can handle sex in a more responsible manner. Its not like every person on earth gets married at 20-25.
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TrailerParkJawa wrote:The thing I've alwasy found silly about high-school virginity pledges is that by the time people end up in university they are so far removed from those early teen years. They are more mature, more in control of their emotions, and they can handle sex in a more responsible manner. Its not like every person on earth gets married at 20-25.

Well, I agree with the sentiment but disagree with the specifics. College kids are no different than high school kids on the average, rather they are removed from their support system of parents, extended family, religious system, and all the other trappings of home.
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By the way has anyone done any studies to see how regular sex-ed compares to abstinence only in terms of results?
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TrailerParkJawa wrote:The thing I've alwasy found silly about high-school virginity pledges is that by the time people end up in university they are so far removed from those early teen years. They are more mature, more in control of their emotions, and they can handle sex in a more responsible manner. Its not like every person on earth gets married at 20-25.

Well, I agree with the sentiment but disagree with the specifics. College kids are no different than high school kids on the average, rather they are removed from their support system of parents, extended family, religious system, and all the other trappings of home.
Fair enough. I sometimes forget I wasnt the most mature person at 18-20 either. It just alwasy struck me as wrong headed that people would remain virgins indefinately.
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Compared to high school, yes, there is a dramatic increase in maturity level; but it is the first tenative steps into the world of maturity overll. :wink:

As for the sex ed and abstinence... oy vey, the ignorance is appalling. I wish there was some way to bill the churches & other organizations that push this silliness when a teen shows up at a clinic with a case of saber-tooth crotch crickets or something.
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Has it not gotten to the point yet that this is "water is wet, sky is blue" territory? For us at any rate?
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Norseman wrote:By the way has anyone done any studies to see how regular sex-ed compares to abstinence only in terms of results?
You mean studies like the one mentioned in the OP?
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US states with comprehensive sex education have lower rates of teen pregnancy and AIDS. This is invariably true, from numbers I've seen.
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The Spartan wrote:Has it not gotten to the point yet that this is "water is wet, sky is blue" territory? For us at any rate?
Because it a battle which seems to have to be fought over and over again.....
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I wanted to add a question.....

Are there any prominent medical groups which actually advocate Abstinence Only education? I was looking at the list on Wiki of Medical Groups against it.
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Kitsune wrote:I wanted to add a question.....

Are there any prominent medical groups which actually advocate Abstinence Only education? I was looking at the list on Wiki of Medical Groups against it.
Err... the Christian Council of Medicine?


Sorry just making shit up.
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Knife wrote:
Kitsune wrote:I wanted to add a question.....

Are there any prominent medical groups which actually advocate Abstinence Only education? I was looking at the list on Wiki of Medical Groups against it.
Err... the Christian Council of Medicine?


Sorry just making shit up.
Just give it a few years and you will see such an organisation in fact.
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Norseman wrote:By the way has anyone done any studies to see how regular sex-ed compares to abstinence only in terms of results?
You mean studies like the one mentioned in the OP?
No it says that abstinence only doesn't work, it doesn't say anything about how regular sex-education works.

Also that states with good sex-education have lower STD and pregnancy rates could also be due to selection bias, let's face it do you honestly think that the problem in say Alabama is bad sex-ed? I mean Norway has excellent sex-ed, to the point that pre-schoolers get little books explaining the facts of life to them, but disadvantaged areas still suffer from teen pregnancy.

So I ask again has anyone done any suitable double-blind, or as close as you can get to double blind, studies on the subject? If not then there ought to be one.
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Norseman wrote: No it says that abstinence only doesn't work, it doesn't say anything about how regular sex-education works.

Also that states with good sex-education have lower STD and pregnancy rates could also be due to selection bias, let's face it do you honestly think that the problem in say Alabama is bad sex-ed? I mean Norway has excellent sex-ed, to the point that pre-schoolers get little books explaining the facts of life to them, but disadvantaged areas still suffer from teen pregnancy.
And your claim of selection bias is based on. . .what? Either you have an STD or you don't, it's not as if you can twist any type of legitimate questionnaire about this to get a "maybe".
So I ask again has anyone done any suitable double-blind, or as close as you can get to double blind, studies on the subject? If not then there ought to be one.
You really don't need a double blind study for something like this, just a good sample. Because there's really only a handful of legitimate questions any reputable study would need to ask. "Did you pledge abstinence or did you have comprehensive sex ed?" "How old were you when you first had sex?", "Do you regularly use birth control?", etc. It would be very difficult to come up with questions capable of skewing the results on something like this. Especially given that the purposes of each are entirely different.
The data I analyzed was from a federal study commissioned by Congress in the early 1990s. They collected data in 1995, 1996 and 2001. I analyzed this data using a statistical method that lets me compare pledgers with similar non-pledgers.

[Between the two groups, I measured, among other factors,] whether they'd feel guilty if they had sex; how often they go to church or attend religious youth groups; whether they identify as born-again Christians; their level of sexual experience; their friends' risk behaviors; whether they think their friends know how to use condoms; and their knowledge of condoms and birth control [as demonstrated by] a quiz that was part of the survey.

And what common threads did you discover?

I found that five years later, pledgers and non-pledgers don't differ at all in their sexual behavior. That includes oral and anal sex, which previous studies had speculated might be used as substitutes for vaginal intercourse. In this data, that seems not to be upheld. They don't differ in their age of sexual initiation; both groups initiated around 21 years old. That shows that this is quite a conservative group, because that's four years later than the American average. And they don't differ in number of lifetime partners. Each group had about three partners by age 21.

What aspects of your findings struck you as most surprising?

The fact that there was a difference in birth control use — especially in condom use — was really surprising. It's problematic for public health. Pledgers are 10 percentage points less likely than similar non-pledgers to use condoms
The highlighted quote is the most damning against abstinence only in terms of effectiveness.
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So I ask again has anyone done any suitable double-blind, or as close as you can get to double blind, studies on the subject? If not then there ought to be one.

How the hell would you do a double blind study on sex education?
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Knife wrote:
Norseman wrote:
So I ask again has anyone done any suitable double-blind, or as close as you can get to double blind, studies on the subject? If not then there ought to be one.
How the hell would you do a double blind study on sex education?
Find two areas with roughly the same wealth and education, and then have one do abstinence only (or no sex ed) and the other run a more standard package. Mind you it seems that the United States will, at some point or other, provide us with a wide variety of samples to work with.

That said Sex ed doesn't work, but abstinence is worse: researcher
Sex education doesn't work, a team of McMaster University researchers has found.

And neither do the other methods of preventing teen pregnancies, a study headed by Alba DiCenso, a professor Faculty of Health Sciences, shows.

She called for new pregnancy-prevention programs that delay intercourse and improve birth-control use, thereby reducing teenage pregnancy rates.

The researchers reviewed other published studys, and concluded "the prevention strategies evaluated in these studies – sex education, abstinence programs, family planning clinics, and community based programs – did not achieve their intended effect," they said in a release.

Abstinence programs, which are very popular in the Unites States since the Bush administration has backed them, are the worst, she said. The pregnancy rate of young women in abstinence studies actually went up.

On the other hand, sex ed does not lead to higher rates of pregnancy, as some have claimed, she said.

Pregnancy rates among young women aged 15 to 19 are 93 per 1,000 in the United States and 43 per 1,000 in Canada.

For the teenagers who do get pregnant, life is often hard. "I wouldn't have chosen to be a young mom," a teenage mother said.
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Norseman wrote:
Knife wrote:
Norseman wrote:
So I ask again has anyone done any suitable double-blind, or as close as you can get to double blind, studies on the subject? If not then there ought to be one.
How the hell would you do a double blind study on sex education?
Find two areas with roughly the same wealth and education, and then have one do abstinence only (or no sex ed) and the other run a more standard package. Mind you it seems that the United States will, at some point or other, provide us with a wide variety of samples to work with.
Your missing the point, how do you have a tester provide a treatment on the issue of sex on teenagers without the tester knowing if the treatment is a placebo? That's a double blind test. How the hell do you do that with sex ed?
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Since when was sex ed ever just about reducing pregnancies? The fact that nobody in that article bothered to mention a thing about STDs is rather suspicious.
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Strange Question with "Purity Only" pledges, does t include swearing off masturbation as well?
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Offhand I don't think any of them specifically mention masturbation, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are along the lines of "only use sex to please God -- only in marriage, and only to make babies". The trend in mainstream Christianity is to consider masturbation bad.

If someone else doesn't beat me to it, I'll see if I can't dig up the actual text from some pledges.
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"Only use sex to please God" has a weird voyeuristic feel, to it.

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Kanastrous wrote:"Only use sex to please God" has a weird voyeuristic feel, to it.

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You're telling me. I grew up in the Christian mainstream, and looking back at it now, there are all sorts of things that seemed normal then that are creepy as fuck when I think about them critically.

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The TLW Pledge wrote:"Believing that true love waits, I make a commitment to God, myself, my family, my friends, my future mate, and my future children to a lifetime of purity including sexual abstinence from this day until the day I enter a biblical marriage relationship."
Of course, purity means: what? in this context? Only what Ogd wants obviously. My dad gave me a book called "The Purity Principle". I'm sure I could dig up all sorts of fun quotes from that.
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I've said it before and I apparently must say it again and again. I went through abstinence-only sex-ed. A big chunk of their spiel is that contraception does not work. Not for birth control and not for STDs. They tried to force-feed me lies like how supposedly how sperm swim through the 'weave' in condoms and I know my classmates ate it up. My school had a higher pregnancy rate than the average for Georgia, which is one of the highest in the U.S. They don't much advertise the parts where they poison the well for actual sex ed that might come from other sources but that is one of the cornerstones of their process.

It makes sense because abstinence-only advocates are not actually interested in real-life results (like reducing rates of pregnancy out of wedlock or STDs) but instead spreading their religion. It's a wedge strategy.
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Mayabird wrote:I've said it before and I apparently must say it again and again. I went through abstinence-only sex-ed. A big chunk of their spiel is that contraception does not work. Not for birth control and not for STDs. They tried to force-feed me lies like how supposedly how sperm swim through the 'weave' in condoms and I know my classmates ate it up. My school had a higher pregnancy rate than the average for Georgia, which is one of the highest in the U.S. They don't much advertise the parts where they poison the well for actual sex ed that might come from other sources but that is one of the cornerstones of their process.

It makes sense because abstinence-only advocates are not actually interested in real-life results (like reducing rates of pregnancy out of wedlock or STDs) but instead spreading their religion. It's a wedge strategy.
Seriously? I mean, I'd understand the "the only 100% guarantee against pregnancy/STDs is abstinence", in fact I believe I went through a health class to that effect down in VA Beach(with my Dad pulling me aside and saying "always wear a Jimmy Hat"). I've never heard of "contraceptives don't WORK!"
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."
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