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Child maid trafficking spreads from Africa to US

By RUKMINI CALLIMACHI, Associated Press Writer Rukmini Callimachi, Associated Press Writer – Sun Dec 28, 3:16 pm ET
Shyima Hall, 19, who was 10 when she was trafficked to a gated community as a AP – Shyima Hall, 19, who was 10 when she was trafficked to a gated community as a domestic worker, is shown …

IRVINE, Calif. – Late at night, the neighbors saw a little girl at the kitchen sink of the house next door.

They watched through their window as the child rinsed plates under the open faucet. She wasn't much taller than the counter and the soapy water swallowed her slender arms. To put the dishes away, she climbed on a chair.

But she was not the daughter of the couple next door doing chores. She was their maid.

Shyima was 10 when a wealthy Egyptian couple brought her from a poor village in northern Egypt to work in their California home. She awoke before dawn and often worked past midnight to iron their clothes, mop the marble floors and dust the family's crystal. She earned $45 a month working up to 20 hours a day. She had no breaks during the day and no days off.

The trafficking of children for domestic labor in the U.S. is an extension of an illegal but common practice in Africa. Families in remote villages send their daughters to work in cities for extra money and the opportunity to escape a dead-end life. Some girls work for free on the understanding that they will at least be better fed in the home of their employer.

The custom has led to the spread of trafficking, as well-to-do Africans accustomed to employing children immigrate to the U.S. Around one-third of the estimated 10,000 forced laborers in the United States are servants trapped behind the curtains of suburban homes, according to a study by the National Human Rights Center at the University of California at Berkeley and Free the Slaves, a nonprofit group. No one can say how many are children, especially since their work can so easily be masked as chores.

Once behind the walls of gated communities like this one, these children never go to school. Unbeknownst to their neighbors, they live as modern-day slaves, just like Shyima, whose story is pieced together through court records, police transcripts and interviews.

"I'd look down and see her at 10, 11 — even 12 — at night," said Shyima's neighbor at the time, Tina Font. "She'd be doing the dishes. We didn't put two and two together."

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Shyima cried when she found out she was going to America in 2000. Her father, a bricklayer, had fallen ill a few years earlier, so her mother found a maid recruiter, signed a contract effectively leasing her daughter to the couple for 10 years and told Shyima to be strong.

For a year, Shyima, 9, worked in the Cairo apartment owned by Amal Motelib and Nasser Ibrahim. Every month, Shyima's mother came to pick up her salary.

Tens of thousands of children in Africa, some as young as 3, are recruited every year to work as domestic servants. They are on call 24 hours a day and are often beaten if they make a mistake. Children are in demand because they earn less than adults and are less likely to complain. In just one city — Casablanca — a 2001 survey by the Moroccan government found more than 15,000 girls under 15 working as maids.

The U.S. State Department found that over the past year, children have been trafficked to work as servants in at least 33 of Africa's 53 countries. Children from at least 10 African countries were sent as maids to the U.S. and Europe. But the problem is so well hidden that authorities — including the U.N., Interpol and the State Department — have no idea how many child maids now work in the West.

"In most homes, these girls are not allowed to use so much as the same spoon as the rest of the family," said Hany Helal, the Cairo-based director of the Egyptian Organization for Child Rights.

By the time the Ibrahims decided to leave, Shyima's family had taken several loans from them for medical bills. The Ibrahims said they could only be repaid by sending Shyima to work for them in the U.S. A friend posed as her father, and the U.S. embassy in Cairo issued her a six-month tourist visa.

She arrived at Los Angeles International Airport on Aug. 3, 2000, according to court documents. The family brought her back to their spacious five-bedroom, two-story home, decorated in the style of a Tuscan villa with a fountain of two angels spouting water through a conch. She was told to sleep in the garage.

It had no windows and was neither heated nor air-conditioned. Soon after she arrived, the garage's only light bulb went out. The Ibrahims didn't replace it. From then on, Shyima lived in the dark.

She was told to call them Madame Amal and Hajj Nasser, terms of respect. They called her "shaghala," or servant. Their five children called her "stupid."

While the family slept, she ironed the school outfits of the Ibrahims' 5-year-old twin sons. She woke them, combed their hair, dressed them and made them breakfast. Then she ironed clothes and fixed breakfast for the three girls, including Heba, who at 10 was the same age as the family's servant.

Neither Ibrahim nor his wife worked, and they slept late. When they awoke, they yelled for her to make tea.

While they ate breakfast watching TV, she cleaned the palatial house. She vacuumed each bedroom, made the beds, dusted the shelves, wiped the windows, washed the dishes and did the laundry.

Her employers were not satisfied, she said. "Nothing was ever clean enough for her. She would come in and say, 'This is dirty,' or 'You didn't do this right,' or 'You ruined the food,'" said Shyima.

She started wetting her bed. Her sheets stank. So did her oversized T-shirt and the other hand-me-downs she wore.

While doing the family's laundry, she slipped her own clothes into the load. Madame slapped her. "She told me my clothes were dirtier than theirs. That I wasn't allowed to clean mine there," she said.

She washed her clothes in a bucket in the garage. She hung them to dry outside, next to the trash cans.

When the couple went out, she waited until she heard the car pull away and then she sat down. She sat with her back straight because she was afraid her clothes would dirty the upholstery.

It never occurred to her to run away.

"I thought this was normal," she said.

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If you could fly the garage where Shyima slept 7,000 miles to the sandy alleyway where her Egyptian family now lives, it would pass for the best home in the neighborhood.

The garage's walls are made of concrete instead of hand-patted bricks. Its roof doesn't leak. Its door shuts all the way. Shyima's mother and her 10 brothers and sisters live in a two-bedroom house with uneven walls and a flaking ceiling. None of them have ever had a bed to themselves, much less a whole room. At night, bodies cover the sagging couches.

Shown a snapshot of the windowless garage, Shyima's mother in the coastal town of Agami made a clucking sound of approval.

"It's much cleaner than where many people here sleep," said Helal, the child rights advocate. He explains that Shyima's treatment in the Ibrahim home is considered normal — even good — by Egyptian standards.

Even though many child maids are physically abused, child labor is rarely prosecuted because the work isn't considered strenuous. Many employers even see themselves as benefactors.

"There is a sense that children should work to help their family, but also that they are being given an opportunity," said Mark Lagon, the director of the U.S. State Department's Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons.

That's especially the case for well-off families who transport their child servants to Western countries.

In 2006, a U.S. district court in Michigan sentenced a Cameroonian man to 17 years in prison for bringing a 14-year-old girl from his country to work as his unpaid maid. That same year, a Moroccan couple was sentenced to home confinement for forcing their 12-year-old Moroccan niece to work grueling hours caring for their baby.

In Germantown, Md., a Nigerian couple used their daughter's passport to bring in a 14-year-old Nigerian girl as their maid. She worked for them for five years before escaping in 2001. In Germany, France, the Netherlands and England, African immigrants have been arrested for forcing children from their home countries to work as their servants.

In several of these cases, the employers argued that they took the children with the parents' permission. The Cameroonian girl's mother flew to Detroit to testify in court against her daughter, saying the girl was ungrateful for the good life her employers had provided her.

Shyima's mother, Salwa Mahmoud, said her father believed she would have better opportunities in America.

"I didn't want her to travel but our family's condition dictated that she had to go," explained Mahmoud, a squat, round-faced woman with calloused hands and feet. She is missing two front teeth because she couldn't afford a dentist.

"If she had stayed here in Egypt, she would have been ordinary," said Awatef, Shyima's older sister. "Just like us."

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On April 3, 2002, an anonymous caller phoned the California Department of Social Services to report that a young girl was living inside the garage of 28 Pacific Grove.

A few days later, Nasser Ibrahim opened the door to a detective from the Irvine Police Department. Asked if any children lived there beside his own, he first said no, then yes — "a distant relative." He said he had "not yet" enrolled her in school. She did "chores — just like the other kids," according to the police transcript.

Shyima was upstairs cleaning when Ibrahim came to get her. "He told me that I was not allowed to say anything," said Shyima. "That if I said anything I would never see my parents again."

When police searched the house, they turned up several home videos showing Shyima at work. They seized the contract signed by Shyima's illiterate parents.

Asked by police if anyone other than his immediate family lived in the house, Eid, one of the twins, said: "Hummm ... Yeah ... Her name is Shyima," according to the transcript. "She uh ... She works — she works for us at the house, like, she cleans up the dishes and stuff like that."

Twelve-year-old Heba got flustered: "Yeah. She's uh — my — uh — How do I say this? Uh ... My dad's ... Oh, wait, like ... She's like my cousin, but — She's my dad's daughter's friend. Oops! The other way. Okay, I'm confused."

Heba eventually admitted that Shyima had lived with the family for three years in Egypt and in California.

The police put Shyima in a squad car. They noted her hands were red and caked with dead, hard-looking skin.

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For months Shyima lied to investigators, saying what the Ibrahims had told her to say.

She went without sleep for days at a stretch. She was put on four different types of medication. She moved from foster home to foster home. Her mood swings alarmed her guardians. In school for the first time, she struggled to learn to read.

Investigators arranged for her to speak to her parents. She told them she felt like a "nobody" working for the Ibrahims and wanted to come home. Her father yelled at her.

"They kept telling me that they're good people," Shyima recounted in a recent interview. "That it's my fault. That because of what I did my mom was going to have a heart attack."

Three years ago, she broke off contact with her family. Since then she has refused to speak Arabic. She can no longer communicate in her mother tongue.

During the 2006 trial, the Ibrahims described Shyima as part of their family. They included proof of a trip she took with the family to Disneyland. Shyima's lawyer pointed out that the 10-year-old wasn't allowed on the rides — she was there to carry the bags.

The couple's lawyers collected photographs of the home where Shyima grew up, including close-ups of the feces-stained squat toilet and of Shyima's sisters washing clothes in a bucket.

In her final plea, Madame Amal told the judge it would be unfair to separate her from her children. Enraged, Shyima, then 17, told the court she hadn't seen her family in years.

"Where was their loving when it came to me? Wasn't I a human being too? I felt like I was nothing when I was with them," she sobbed.

The couple pleaded guilty to all charges, including forced labor and slavery. They were ordered to pay $76,000, the amount Shyima would have earned at the minimum wage. The sentence: Three years in federal prison for Ibrahim, 22 months for his wife, and then deportation for both. Their lawyers declined to comment for this story.

"I don't think that there is any other term you could use than modern-day slavery," said Bob Schoch, the special agent in charge for Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles, in describing Shyima's situation.

Shyima was adopted last year by Chuck and Jenny Hall of Beaumont, Calif. The family lives near Disneyland, where they have taken her a half-dozen times. She graduated from high school this summer after retaking her exit exam and hopes to become a police officer.

Shyima, now 19, has a list of assigned chores. She wears purple eyeshadow, has a boyfriend and frequently updates her profile on MySpace. Her hands are neatly manicured.

But in her closet, she keeps a box of pictures of her parents and her brothers and sisters. "I don't look at them because it makes me cry," she said. "How could they? They're my parents."

When her father died last year, her family had no way of reaching her.

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EPILOGUE: On a recent afternoon in Cairo, Madame Amal walked into the lobby of her apartment complex wearing designer sunglasses and a chic scarf.

After nearly two years in a U.S. prison cell, she's living once more in the spacious apartment where Shyima first worked as her maid. The apartment is adorned in the style of a Louis XIV palace, with ornately carved settees, gold-leaf vases and life-sized portraits of her and her husband.

She did not agree to be interviewed for this story.

Before the door closed behind her, a little girl slipped in carrying grocery bags. She wore a shabby T-shirt. Her small feet slapped the floor in loose flip-flops. Her eyes were trained on the ground.

She looked to be around 9 years old.

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EDITOR'S NOTE — This story is based on interviews in Los Angeles, Irvine and Beaumont, Calif., and in Cairo and Agami, Egypt, in September and October. In addition to interviews with Shyima, her mother and nine of her brothers and sisters, the AP also interviewed her neighbors in Irvine, law enforcement officials and the lawyer who prosecuted her case. Quotes and scenes were observed by the reporter or described by Shyima and confirmed in police transcripts and court records.
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The last paragraph before the editor's note is haunting......
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I have the utmost empathy. However the very way this article is written seems to want to squeeze the absolute largest amount of emotion out of it. I don't find it haunting, I find it manipulative. Not to say I'm thrilled with slavery in the US.
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Slavery is one of the few things I believe should be an automatic mandatory death sentence crime, both for the actual slavers and for their customers.
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Knife wrote:I have the utmost empathy. However the very way this article is written seems to want to squeeze the absolute largest amount of emotion out of it. I don't find it haunting, I find it manipulative. Not to say I'm thrilled with slavery in the US.
I don't think working people's emotions in this case is necessarily a bad thing. If it was written "objectively" then they'd have a much harder time bringing readers to care about the problem.
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JCady wrote:Slavery is one of the few things I believe should be an automatic mandatory death sentence crime, both for the actual slavers and for their customers.
I guess it never occurs to you the problems this would cause with getting convictions or leaving the door open to plea-bargains which may catch other criminals? Turns out it's not as simple as 'lol kill them all' as this has knock-on effects right from policing/investigation to the trial itself.
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It's nothing new, and I've been saying for a long time that slavery is just as big today (even in the US) than it was 200 or even 2000 years ago. The difference is that we've applied so many other labels to it to hide just what it is. We call it people smuggling, illegal immigrants, undocumented workers and shit like that. The US has [IIRC] ~10m "illegal immigrants", remember that a slave not getting paid is a relatively new invention - in antiquity slaves were paid (often quite well), but lacked the full rights of a citizen - how is this too different from the situation that exists around the world today?
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No words can properly convey my thoughts and emotions on this.

The only thing I can think of is, when a slavery situation is encountered, backwages should have to be paid (at 24/7/52 instead of 8/7/52) for the time of slavery. That way, the former slave has a chance at a new life.
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Do they have some type of thing where they can basically ban you from every legally entering the United States again, even on matters of business and vacation? That would probably hit a bunch of these asshats pretty hard, or at the very least bring them very quickly to the table to make a plea bargain to avoid it.
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JCady wrote:Slavery is one of the few things I believe should be an automatic mandatory death sentence crime, both for the actual slavers and for their customers.
Please do not make the mistake of thinking that somthing as horrible as slavery should be coupled with somthing equally horrible. The death penalty should be only applied in cases of murder and in even more isolated incidents for rape and repeat offenders. Death has been proven to have a great means to put an end to repeating criminals. It's just not the best solution or the most ethical. You are right to assume that no one is deserving of degrading treatment, but not at the expense of a life. You don't get to decide who dies for what thing that they did. This incident is not isolated and certainly has come to the light only since it is now in a western country. Think of how many years practices like this have been done and nothing has been said of them until now. Ignorance is bliss for some people, unless it's on their own country's soil.
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So am I the only one who's just a tiny bit ambivalent about the case?

Let me be clear: in general slavery is wrong, and in particular this couple emotionally abused the girl. They should have been sent to prison for a few years and then deported. If the bit at the end of the article is true, they need to be further investigated.

However, materially she was at least no worse off than she would have been at home. As awful as her living conditions were to us, they are better than most poor people's lots in third or second world countries. Even forty five dollars a month could be a real boon to a family living in squalor. And there is a tiny difference between true slavery and indentured servitude, which this practice sounds like. That is not to say that the custom is good, or that such slaves/servants should be allowed in civilized countries, but I have a hard time working up a lot of anger towards her parents. The whole situation makes me more sad than outraged.
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I have seen similar arguments used by pro-slavery people before the American Civil War that teh slavery in the South was better than the life they would have lived in Africa.

The family with the child as their "Slave" knew it was wrong by United States standards or they would not have lied. They had plenty of money.....They could have sent her to school and paid her a decent wage for her services.
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JCady wrote:Slavery is one of the few things I believe should be an automatic mandatory death sentence crime, both for the actual slavers and for their customers.
I guess it never occurs to you the problems this would cause with getting convictions or leaving the door open to plea-bargains which may catch other criminals? Turns out it's not as simple as 'lol kill them all' as this has knock-on effects right from policing/investigation to the trial itself.
Nonsense. Surely there must be steps we can take that would let us get the benefits of these "plea-bargains" without having to compromise and let criminals walk free, walk free sooner, or live any longer than they should.

For example, we could make the bargain with the bastard, get the information, and then quietly toss them into some sort of ridiculously high-security prison anyways. Or just off them, whichever's more appropriate.
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Instant death? Perhaps not. 'Lol 3 year sentence?' Fuck that shit. Punishment for this sort of thing, I feel, should be measured in decades, not months, to drive home just how very, very wrong it is.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:
Stark wrote: I guess it never occurs to you the problems this would cause with getting convictions or leaving the door open to plea-bargains which may catch other criminals? Turns out it's not as simple as 'lol kill them all' as this has knock-on effects right from policing/investigation to the trial itself.
Nonsense. Surely there must be steps we can take that would let us get the benefits of these "plea-bargains" without having to compromise and let criminals walk free, walk free sooner, or live any longer than they should.

For example, we could make the bargain with the bastard, get the information, and then quietly toss them into some sort of ridiculously high-security prison anyways. Or just off them, whichever's more appropriate.
:roll: And when it's gets out to the public that your justice system can't keep it's promises, the plea-bargains will be usesless because the criminals caught will have less incentive to give out information. It's "just" other knock-on effects on the whole process like Stark said.
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Johonebesus wrote:So am I the only one who's just a tiny bit ambivalent about the case?
I'm not ambivalent at all here.
However, materially she was at least no worse off than she would have been at home.
Her parents were unable to give her better. Her "employers" certainly could have given her better with almost no effort on their part.
As awful as her living conditions were to us, they are better than most poor people's lots in third or second world countries.
Again - those people are UNABLE to do better - the people who abused this poor child could have provided more with almost no effort.
Even forty five dollars a month could be a real boon to a family living in squalor.
And are you saying that meanwhile it is somehow OK or that this somehow makes up for a child being beaten and forced to live in a dark, unheated garage while mere feet away even a couch in the living room would provide significantly more physical comfort?
And there is a tiny difference between true slavery and indentured servitude, which this practice sounds like.
The difference is not significant in my mind, particularly not in this case.
but I have a hard time working up a lot of anger towards her parents.
I don't blame her parents, I blame the couple who bought another human being.

Really, what would have been the outcome here without intervention? The child would have grown up completely illiterate. At 18 she would have been an undocumented, illegal alien with no ID, no education, and little in the way of job skills. Would she even know English? Or how to call for help? I expect she'd be deported back to her home country (possibly after a stint in jail) with no way to contact her family. She'd be alone, destitute, uneducated, and discarded. Odds are high she'd end up a prostitute. Or slave to someone else.

There is NO excuse for this, NO justification, NO "it's alright somehow". The couple who brought her to the US knew they were breaking the law (more specifically, child labor laws, general labor laws, minimum wage laws, immigration law, child abuse, child neglect, truancy violations.... I'm sure there's more, that's just what comes to mind)

Part of the problem is that in places like Egypt this sort of exploitation is seen as perfectly OK. In reality, it brings NO opportunity to the slave - she keeps none of her own wages, after all, she receives no education and will eventually be discarded for someone else. The wages are not sufficient to lift her family out of poverty, merely enough to ensure there will be yet another generation to exploit, use up, and throw away.
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Personaly, I think it's a disgrace that the worst penalty leveled against them was just three years in prison. You can get more time than that for stuff that's relatively trivial.
These people got off far too lightly in my opinion.
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Guardsman Bass wrote:Do they have some type of thing where they can basically ban you from every legally entering the United States again, even on matters of business and vacation?
Certainly.
That would probably hit a bunch of these asshats pretty hard, or at the very least bring them very quickly to the table to make a plea bargain to avoid it.
They'll just go back to their original country and whine about how unfair it is that they were penalized for one of their traditional cultural practices by those uppity Americans. They really see nothing wrong with what they do.
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Johonebesus wrote:So am I the only one who's just a tiny bit ambivalent about the case?
I'm not ambivalent at all here.
Excellent post, Broomstick. I just feel the need to butt in here and say that in addition to agreeing, I'd be incensed (though probably less so) even without the flagrant physical abuse. Because even without those circumstances, this girl was treated like a slave. Like a subhuman. Told that she was different and inferior, that she could stand outside of an inconceivable paradise but never be let in because she was worthless.

How would it be like to grow up in such circumstances? How would it be like to grow up like that alone?

I'm not seeing the ambivalence either.
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There is a circumstance where I would accept letting them out after three years in prison.

Namely, the utter and complete confiscation of all their property, to either be given to their victim or victims or to be sold to provide financial restitution.

It is quite fitting. For the crime of making another human being a piece of property, one should be denied all of their property.

Maybe it's time to give up the War on Drugs and begin a War on Slavery.....
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Steve wrote:There is a circumstance where I would accept letting them out after three years in prison.

Namely, the utter and complete confiscation of all their property, to either be given to their victim or victims or to be sold to provide financial restitution.

It is quite fitting. For the crime of making another human being a piece of property, one should be denied all of their property.

Maybe it's time to give up the War on Drugs and begin a War on Slavery.....
It would be a good start. Problem is, these people likely had enough resources remaining in their home country to continue enjoying a serviceable -- or even opulent -- lifestyle.
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I guess, in my mind, it comes down this:

I wouldn't force a dog to live in a dark garage and work 18 hours a day. How could doing that to a human being ever be justified?
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Broomstick wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote:Do they have some type of thing where they can basically ban you from every legally entering the United States again, even on matters of business and vacation?
Certainly.
That would probably hit a bunch of these asshats pretty hard, or at the very least bring them very quickly to the table to make a plea bargain to avoid it.
They'll just go back to their original country and whine about how unfair it is that they were penalized for one of their traditional cultural practices by those uppity Americans. They really see nothing wrong with what they do.
True, but the article mentioned that it was a problem with a number of wealthy African immigrant families - being forced out and never let back in, along with a long prison sentence (a decade, or more) would probably make other families think twice about bringing their slaves with them here.
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Most of what affords us our current lifestyles is resultant from complex supply chains that ultimately lead back to third world (and sometimes child) labour.

Bit harder to ignore when the labourers are living next door isn't it?
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Kitsune wrote:The family with the child as their "Slave" knew it was wrong by United States standards or they would not have lied. They had plenty of money.....They could have sent her to school and paid her a decent wage for her services.
Precisely what irks me. As Broomstick points out, many of these people don't see anything wrong with what they are doing, and in many cases it is in fact an improvement over their previous circumstances. Although it doesn't mean it should be tolerated, the problem is that, to solve this, you have to go and actually solve the issues of the original country, both socio-economical and educational.

But, on the other hand, and going back to what Kitsune said, this particular family was perfectly aware of how wrong what they were doing is, they might justify that they were protecting their customs from the unsympathethic US laws, but that's bullshit, if they really thought there was nothing wrong, they would have fought for their "tradition".

Also, a servant is still human. If you can't relate to another human, and can subject them to things you wouldn't do to your own children, then there is something wrong with you. Blame it on your culture or your education if you like, but the fact remains.
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What blows me is that the parents were able to stop the kids from letting on about it at school, particularly the younger ones. I say this because I assume that the parents would have told them 'we don't talk about the slave', but often a young child will have a hard time not sharing their secret, unless they fear some consequences... Hmm.
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