Well, well...

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2003-02-03 02:57pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's rather harsh, man.

I think he means he's mad because the media's using the space shuttle part to whore it out and make money.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-02-03 02:57pm

StarshipTitanic wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's rather harsh, man.
I think he means he's mad because the media's using the space shuttle part to whore it out and make money.

That too.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-02-03 02:59pm

Ted wrote:
StarshipTitanic wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's rather harsh, man.
I think he means he's mad because the media's using the space shuttle part to whore it out and make money.
That too.

Well to be honest, fuck the media.

No death should be overly glorified or ridiculed, I agree, they are getting worse now for this and emotion preying.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-02-03 04:03pm

verilon wrote:
2000AD wrote:Me too. I just saw it as another part of the news. If someone i knew, or someone my friends knew, had died then i might be a bit more involved. There's been other major things and i haven't been that bothered about them, but i'm not naming those because i know i'll definately get flamed to hell!
9/11? I wasn't phased. My sentiments exactly, though.

I'll risk the flames. It was 9/11. I just saw it as another piece of news and don't really understand why people like my parents (Who didn't know anybody there and had no connection to it at all ,6 degrees of seperation withstanding) would just sit in front of the telly all day watching the same footage over and over. You know whats happened, you can make an educated guess what else will happen (ie. the tower(s) will fall down) and you've already got a good idea of who had done it (split between Bin Laden, Saddam and Gaddaffi in our house) so why sit in front of the TV watching it over and over again! It was hardly riveting stuff! They showed the video of the crash every five minutes and basically kept on repeating that at <time it happened> jets crashed into the WTC, Pentagon and Pennsylvania (sp).

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-03 04:08pm

2000AD wrote:
verilon wrote:
2000AD wrote:Me too. I just saw it as another part of the news. If someone i knew, or someone my friends knew, had died then i might be a bit more involved. There's been other major things and i haven't been that bothered about them, but i'm not naming those because i know i'll definately get flamed to hell!
9/11? I wasn't phased. My sentiments exactly, though.
I'll risk the flames. It was 9/11. I just saw it as another piece of news and don't really understand why people like my parents (Who didn't know anybody there and had no connection to it at all ,6 degrees of seperation withstanding) would just sit in front of the telly all day watching the same footage over and over. You know whats happened, you can make an educated guess what else will happen (ie. the tower(s) will fall down) and you've already got a good idea of who had done it (split between Bin Laden, Saddam and Gaddaffi in our house) so why sit in front of the TV watching it over and over again! It was hardly riveting stuff! They showed the video of the crash every five minutes and basically kept on repeating that at <time it happened> jets crashed into the WTC, Pentagon and Pennsylvania (sp).

so what has jaded you so much that you are able to watch 3000 people perish on live television without so much as batting an eyelash? i'm not flaming, i'm curious. i know i may have more colored judgement being that it happened so close to me, but if i were to turn on the TV and see 3000 people die in a live broadcast in another country thousands of miles awayi would feel sorrow and anger and a desire for justice.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 04:09pm

It's called detatchment. You end up not really being able to care that much.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-02-03 04:13pm

I don't know whats jaded me (if anything), all know is that to me it was another piece of news.

Skelron · Post by **Skelron** » 2003-02-03 04:13pm

Personally I was more worried that this could mean the end of manned flight into space, something that needs to continue. As a side note I believe that a International consortium of nations should get together and guarentee enough money to ensure that a second generation space Shuttle type craft is produced and maintained.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 04:16pm

2000AD wrote:I don't know whats jaded me (if anything), all know is that to me it was another piece of news.

It probably helps when you're not in the same country that it occurs.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-02-03 04:19pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
2000AD wrote:I don't know whats jaded me (if anything), all know is that to me it was another piece of news.
It probably helps when you're not in the same country that it occurs.

Could be.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-03 04:47pm

Skelron wrote:Personally I was more worried that this could mean the end of manned flight into space, something that needs to continue. As a side note I believe that a International consortium of nations should get together and guarentee enough money to ensure that a second generation space Shuttle type craft is produced and maintained.

that's a good idea, but also i think private interests should be allowed to build and use manned spacecraft within the boundaries of law and government oversight. no big invention, be it the automobile, airplane or computer was ever able to thrive under the exclusive control of government.

Post by **Zaia** » 2003-02-03 05:10pm

It think the Columbia explosion sucked, but I think the main reason it was so emotional for some people was because they were so surprised that it happened at all. All I heard after news broke about it was, "Wow, that sort of thing hasn't happened in a long time." I think it was mostly shock. Some sadness too, obviously, but most just suprise.

I'm personally a little sad for their friends and families, but after 9/11, Columbia seems like next to nothing to me. They chose their jobs; they knew the risks. It's just like how I could die in a school shooting, or my friend Rob could die in Iraq on the battlefield, or my friend Chris could die in an airplane crash on his way to a business meeting. Who knows when that shit's going to happen? Just live your life with no regrets and then you don't have to worry whether you blow up or die of old age; you've made the best of what you have.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 05:14pm

I couldn't have said it better myself, Zaia.

I feel a little differently, but not much differently than that.

Sometimes I do worry that I'd come off as a little insensitive, though.

So far, being in my Playwriting I class can make me a little uncomfortable at times...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-03 05:17pm

I didnt feel a thing on 9/11. said so at the time, too. I knew no one, it was an act of war, and people die in war. course, I felt sad for the challenger, cuz it was just a construction mistake. they signed up for it, but still, losing your life cuz some glue was off is just sad.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-02-03 05:22pm

Wow, I'm suprised, Ted didn't get flamed

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-03 05:26pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I didnt feel a thing on 9/11. said so at the time, too. I knew no one, it was an act of war, and people die in war. course, I felt sad for the challenger, cuz it was just a construction mistake. they signed up for it, but still, losing your life cuz some glue was off is just sad.

so could you sit and watch someone like hitler or pol pot kill by the millions? how many people have to die at the hands of a few lunitics before your brain synapses fire and you say hey, maybe this is bad?

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-03 05:27pm

of course it's *bad*, of course it's unfortunate and miserable for all involved. . . but I dont feel any emotion regarding it.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-02-03 05:28pm

I knew a couple of people that were in the WTC but not anyone that actually got killed so I guess that would qualify me as it not being personalized.

Post by **Zaia** » 2003-02-03 05:28pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I didnt feel a thing on 9/11. said so at the time, too. I knew no one, it was an act of war, and people die in war.

Until that moment, it was merely one group of people plotting to murder another group; no declaration of war had been given. Those people who were killed on 9/11 were not soldiers falling in battle, they were students, businessmen, tourists, bankers, real estate agents, policemen, firemen, hot dog vendors, etc. They did not volunteer to be involved; my heart still goes out to their friends and families, because I easily could have been one of the ones searching for lost family.

course, I felt sad for the challenger, cuz it was just a construction mistake. they signed up for it, but still, losing your life cuz some glue was off is just sad.

You have a right to your opinion, but shrugging off thousands of civilian deaths like it was nothing in an act that STARTED a war and feeling sorry for a handful of people who died because of faulty equipment that has always been a danger of their job seems a bit juxtaposed to me. But maybe that's just me.

ArmorPierce · Post by **ArmorPierce** » 2003-02-03 05:30pm

Col. Crackpot, Zaia, I was thinking the same thing, just didn't want to break this thread's tradition of not flaming anyone for posting their views

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Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 05:31pm

But is there anything wrong if you can't?

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-02-03 05:32pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
2000AD wrote:I don't know whats jaded me (if anything), all know is that to me it was another piece of news.
It probably helps when you're not in the same country that it occurs.

I am in another country.
And when I first saw it in the TV it was, a bit shock, and curious interest.
But after 24+ hours of pics/reports/special shows of a plane crashing into a building, I frankly couldn't care less.
Life goes on.
Call me cynical, or detached, but as long as it isn't related directly to me, it's just news.

2000AD · Post by **2000AD** » 2003-02-03 05:32pm

ArmorPierce wrote:Wow, I'm suprised, Ted didn't get flamed

I'm surprised i didn't get flamed!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-03 05:34pm

Dahak: that's kinda what happened with me. My neutral position generally progressed into irritation as the media coveraged progressed.

But my general attitude concerning the actual event remained neutral. It was like I couldn't care about it.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-03 05:35pm

Zaia wrote:
Enforcer Talen wrote:I didnt feel a thing on 9/11. said so at the time, too. I knew no one, it was an act of war, and people die in war.
Until that moment, it was merely one group of people plotting to murder another group; no declaration of war had been given. Those people who were killed on 9/11 were not soldiers falling in battle, they were students, businessmen, tourists, bankers, real estate agents, policemen, firemen, hot dog vendors, etc. They did not volunteer to be involved; my heart still goes out to their friends and families, because I easily could have been one of the ones searching for lost family.

course, I felt sad for the challenger, cuz it was just a construction mistake. they signed up for it, but still, losing your life cuz some glue was off is just sad.
You have a right to your opinion, but shrugging off thousands of civilian deaths like it was nothing in an act that STARTED a war and feeling sorry for a handful of people who died because of faulty equipment that has always been a danger of their job seems a bit juxtaposed to me. But maybe that's just me.

surprise is essential in war. the u.s. has done it's share of civilian slaughter - carpet bombing works quite well. civilians, as a support to a war machine, are a target. it's sad, yes. I know it causes grief. but on a purely emotional level, I felt nothing.