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IIRC, the Starforge from KOTOR could only unleash its full potential if "used" (or unlocked, however you call it) by a force user.

There are also ancient swords that can project a force/energyfield (similar to a lightsaber, but around a normal blade) when wielded by a force user.

There are three kinds of force-tech:

-Amplifiers: When used by a force-sensitive user, they use some "energy" from this user to do something (example: the mentioned swords). If you are not force-sensitive, they do nothing. The more powerfull you are, the more powerfull they can get.

-Storage: Some artifacts can storage "force energy", either from living beings of force-intesive places (like the cavern on Dagobah). This energy can be used in multiple ways: Some artifacts limit the ways you can use it, while some function similar to a battery - force-users can acces it.
Most of these artifacts can only be used by force-sensitives, but rare examples can be ues by anyone.
Example: An ancient sith-staff seen in Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

-Locks: Some devices can only be unlocked by a force-sensitive being. Wheter this is only a partial unlock (a normal person can access parts of the device) or the device is completly locked depends on the device.
It is possible that there are artifacts that need certain "power-levels" to unlock more and more functions.
Some Holocrons are examples of this technology (other can be accessed by anyone).

Some technology, while not dircetly respondig to force-sensitives, can only be used if you use telekinesis or other forcepowers. Imagine a closed device where you need to use force-telekinesis to flip switches inside of it (which are otherwise inaccessible).
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Darth Hoth wrote:Sith sorcery and artefacts can grant quite impressive metaphysical powers to individuals who lack Force-sensitivity altogether (e.g., Cartariun, Girov Dza-Tey), so they do appear to have at least some inherent power of their own.
Demonstrate that these people were not force sensitive, as opposed to simply latents or those with undiscovered abilities. Note that character statements won't suffice, as in this era no one was testing for force sensitivity, so they wouldn't know if they had the ability or not.
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Ender wrote:Demonstrate that these people were not force sensitive, as opposed to simply latents or those with undiscovered abilities. Note that character statements won't suffice, as in this era no one was testing for force sensitivity, so they wouldn't know if they had the ability or not.
I believe that outside of character statements, editor Peet Janes said so in answer to a question in the X-wing comic's letter column. Does that count as an official source?
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Aren't there some sources that describe lightsabers as requiring some kind of force input during their creation if the weapon is to work at all?
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Formless wrote:Aren't there some sources that describe lightsabers as requiring some kind of force input during their creation if the weapon is to work at all?
Yep - I, Jedi for one, describes the creation of a lightsabre as using Force meditation to bind the various parts together. Looks like the Wars Galaxy, despite having interstellar travel for hundreds of millenia, has yet to invent the soldering iron.
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Hethrir's lightsaber required the Force to ignite it. Also, Dark Empire II had some wanked-as-fuck droid fighters that were imbued with the dark side of the Force... :wanker:
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Galvatron wrote:Hethrir's lightsaber required the Force to ignite it.
That was just an internal switch that required psychokinesis to complete the activation circuit. Nothing more esoteric than that.
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Formless wrote:Aren't there some sources that describe lightsabers as requiring some kind of force input during their creation if the weapon is to work at all?
Yep - I, Jedi for one, describes the creation of a lightsabre as using Force meditation to bind the various parts together. Looks like the Wars Galaxy, despite having interstellar travel for hundreds of millenia, has yet to invent the soldering iron.
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Also The second Greg Keyes NJO book (Rebirth?) has Anakin performing a similar ritual to get his lightsabre to work with a Vong lambent crystal.

To be fair, I,Jedi and other sources, like Shatterpoint, don't make the ceremony essential to the lightsabre operation but merely it aides in the Jedi's connection to the sabre making it less a weapon and more extension of themselves. (Mace Windu can actually instinctive sense his and his padawan's lightsabre through the force)
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Captain Seafort wrote:
Formless wrote:Aren't there some sources that describe lightsabers as requiring some kind of force input during their creation if the weapon is to work at all?
Yep - I, Jedi for one, describes the creation of a lightsabre as using Force meditation to bind the various parts together. Looks like the Wars Galaxy, despite having interstellar travel for hundreds of millenia, has yet to invent the soldering iron.
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I'm almost certain that I read somewhere that Jedi use the Force to adjust the internal components of the lightsaber on a microscopic (or atomic) level as a rite of passage, but there's nothing in lightsaber construction that couldn't be done with the right technology.

Wookieepedia doesn't offer much in the way of help in this instance.
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DesertFly wrote: I'm almost certain that I read somewhere that Jedi use the Force to adjust the internal components of the lightsaber on a microscopic (or atomic) level as a rite of passage, but there's nothing in lightsaber construction that couldn't be done with the right technology.

Wookieepedia doesn't offer much in the way of help in this instance.
The closest we get in G canon is when Luke Skywalker creates his lightsabre in the radio drama in ROTJ. After he keeps failing to complete his sabre, he mediates and later completes construction of the sabre.......


Given that Young Jedi Academy tells us of the importance of accurate focusing of the crystals, with a hastily built ligthsabre exploding, what this COULD mean is that Jedi could use the force to more precisely align the crystals and other mechanisms in the sabre. Precision engineering so as to speak, one that most humans won't be able to accomplish without the Force.
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Darth Hoth wrote:
Ender wrote:Demonstrate that these people were not force sensitive, as opposed to simply latents or those with undiscovered abilities. Note that character statements won't suffice, as in this era no one was testing for force sensitivity, so they wouldn't know if they had the ability or not.
I believe that outside of character statements, editor Peet Janes said so in answer to a question in the X-wing comic's letter column. Does that count as an official source?
No. Why on earth would it? They Hyperspace article about Aliens and the Empire might say something one way or the other though. I haven't read it.
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Ender wrote:No. Why on earth would it?
Because he was responsible for the series, and it was published in the comic? Are the DE endnotes canon?
They Hyperspace article about Aliens and the Empire might say something one way or the other though. I haven't read it.


Me, neither. Anyone else?
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That was not so much a specific weapon as an amplifier, though, as far as I understood it (it was in TotJ, by the way, not KotOR). Rather, it boosted Naga Sadow's power so that he could use his star-rending TK attack from Dark Lords of the Sith to cause supernovas. Much like the Sith temples, it collected/stored energy to aid him in otherwise difficult tasks.
You know, I wonder what would happen if you try to access Naga Sadow's amulet in a Ysalimari field if the thing is a power amplification device.
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Darth Hoth wrote:
Ender wrote:No. Why on earth would it?
Because he was responsible for the series, and it was published in the comic? Are the DE endnotes canon?
Letters to the editor are only published in the comic in the most pedantic of sense, they in not part of the overall storyline and don't receive canon status. By your logic here the advertisements sandwiched in the pages by Dark Horse would be canon.
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The impression I'm getting from my own research in addition to all of your posts (my thanks to all who've replied for that), is that almost all Force-based technology is Dark Side aspected, with the possible exception of the Jedi holocrons.

I personally don't count the lightsaber as technically Force-based technology; it's nothing that can't be made by machines. The impression I got is that because it requires precision work, it's a great test of an aspiring Force adept's concentration to create one from parts.
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rhoenix wrote:The impression I'm getting from my own research in addition to all of your posts (my thanks to all who've replied for that), is that almost all Force-based technology is Dark Side aspected, with the possible exception of the Jedi holocrons.
Not quite. It is an open question as to whether or not there is force based technology (with LSATSOM very strongly indicating there is not), but when it does appear it is largely utilized by those who practice the dark side. There it is utilized to enhance the individuals force abilities, though whether it does this through the technology altering the force or through the technology altering the individual is again very open to question.

There was a hyperspace article titled something like "Droids, Technology, and the Force" that might shed light on this.
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Ender wrote:Not quite. It is an open question as to whether or not there is force based technology (with LSATSOM very strongly indicating there is not), but when it does appear it is largely utilized by those who practice the dark side. There it is utilized to enhance the individuals force abilities, though whether it does this through the technology altering the force or through the technology altering the individual is again very open to question.

There was a hyperspace article titled something like "Droids, Technology, and the Force" that might shed light on this.
Aha - thank you for that clarification. I'll go look that article up.
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Ender wrote:
Darth Hoth wrote:
Ender wrote:No. Why on earth would it?
Because he was responsible for the series, and it was published in the comic? Are the DE endnotes canon?
Letters to the editor are only published in the comic in the most pedantic of sense, they in not part of the overall storyline and don't receive canon status. By your logic here the advertisements sandwiched in the pages by Dark Horse would be canon.
Even when it concerns the subject matter directly and authors and editors answer questions related to the ongoing series? I can see why it would not be strictly canon, but (like the Chee posts) it should be of some value.
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