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WillowBee wrote: =John-Luck Picard plunging the Federation into a civil war
*Sighs* His name is Jean-Luc, not John-Luck.

If we’re fortunate, Academia Nut will ignore the crappy Nemesis film. Aside from the whole "evil clone" cliché, I’m a big fan of Lt. Data and I went ballistic at how they killed off the lovable android. Maybe Mama Reigle could adopt poor little Data at Tzintchi's beheast. The two albinos would probability get along, atleast while Data’s emotion chip is inactive and not causing him to flee in terror.
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WillowBee wrote:
What does a Bolo look like? ther y're just tanks with AI, right?

Aside from the very, very awesome FR arc, I'm psyched about all of the following:
A Bolo is what happens when you take a space navy destroyer and put treads on it.
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Bolos

They're not just tanks with AI. They're tanks the size of battleships with AI.
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The best way I can summarize Bolos is taken from one of the more recent bits of Boloverse stuff. A Bolo ground force is about to come under massive nuclear saturation bombardment from a ground force they're attacking. They are happy because a task-force-sized naval force is going to enter ground-support firing range of the Bolo force less than twenty seconds before the missiles arrive to distract them, because in that time, the Bolos destroy the entire naval flotilla before it can really do anything to effect the battle. In addition, they're locked onto the outsides of their transport craft, because their shields and weaponry are far more valuable as defenses than the hull, shields, and weaponry of the transport themselves. Bolo transports are more or less immune to attack from anything less than a battlecruiser because the Bolos on the hull outgun anything that size.
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As WhiteHaven states... Bolos can plot, plan, and fire their weapons with millisecond timing, and they understand Honor and Duty in ways most humans cannot.

In the scenario WH states, the larger Bolos of the company totally destroy every ship in orbit above them in roughly 15 of the 20 seconds before the nukes start landing. Before the nukes start landing, the smaller Bolos with their ECM countermeasures all rush to the head of the column. These little guys put their ECM electronics on maximum "HERE I AM COME GET ME", and a good half of the nukes hit their position. Their sacrifice allows the larger Bolos to survive the bombardment and complete their mission.

That is a Bolo.
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All this Bolo talk got me thinking: How many of you readers would be interested in Academia Nut doing part of chapter from the POV of a newChaos Evangelion unit? :angelic: Canon!Eva and the entire Thousand Shinji story revolved around these cybernetic abominations, so a "getting back to basics" mini-arc would a refreshing break between grandose galaxy-spanning plans for those of us who get headaches when we think too much.

So far, we know next to nothing about the iconic Evangelion units built after the rise of the new Chaos gods, although decapitating people is somehow involved if the daemonworld in the SG1 universe is any accurate representation. What spirits animate such a mecha? Does it need a pilot princeps to function? Do they adapt and change like their Angelic predecessors? Are beneficial mutations shared among Eva units much like how the Borg adapt to threats?
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You took the words right out of my mouth Valorie.

I also want to know what the Evangelions look like, or CAN look like. Are they still limited to a humanoid shape? Or can they be more Angel-like; differing shapes, with differing strengths, weaknesses, and methods of combat?

It... feels like it'd be a bit of a waste if the Evas were "merely" standard Titan-equivalents. As we've seen, Angels can be of any size or type... Maybe Evas can be something like.... Evas to the Materium, what Daemons are to the Immaterium? In fact, Humanity is believed to be an Angel--the child of Lilith. A unique Angel certainly...

Hmmm... If actual Angels were considered too dangerous to be used, do the NewChaos Gods have any clue how the Angels' creators controlled them?

Is NewChaos going to adopt some of the Angels' capabilities--like they did the S2/S3 engine/organ--to improve their forces? Such as the Angels' ability to evolve, adapt and change from one Angel to the other...

What about Nephilim? Will they try to make a few of those? How do Psyker abilities and AT-Field use relate/differ?

Who can pilot Evas? Can Daemonhosts do it? Does an Eva require an "angel body," a possessing daemon, AND a pilot to control it? Basically, is some of the Psyker+Evangelion cheese people asked about in Aeon Natum Engel and the like possible?

Has NewChaos tried to cultivate more benign Angels... maybe ones for specific tasks. Like maybe an Angel to detect/stabilize time-space and cross-universe phenomena, or an Angel that boosts Psyker abilities... Heck, if there could be a microscopic Angel, they could try a symbiotic relation between Angels and hosts...

Or maybe have Daemons possess the Angels.. hrmm...
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Aside from their combat abilities, each pre-Chaos Eva had a unique personality and spiritual composition that physically manifested as time progressed, a bit like a child maturing into an adult but emphasizing on a specific theme or philosophical school of thought. Shinji's cunning and megalomania gave Unit01 an advanced sensor suite and multitasking capacity, while Rei's despair turned Unit00 into a poisonous biohazard.
Valorie wrote:All this Bolo talk got me thinking: How many of you readers would be interested in Academia Nut doing part of chapter from the POV of a newChaos Evangelion unit? :angelic: Canon!Eva and the entire Thousand Shinji story revolved around these cybernetic abominations, so a "getting back to basics" mini-arc would a refreshing break between grandose galaxy-spanning plans for those of us who get headaches when we think too much.
The mass produced Evas had wings that enabled flight, so maybe a mecha otaku could try to engineer an Eva unit that can assume an aerial flight mode like in “Macross” or “Robotech,” although the humanoid form is ill-suited for astronautic combat in outer space and unable to withstand the strain of prolonged STL (or FTL) travel. Plus, such aerial/astronautic feats at too energy expensive for the current S-series engines to be practical, but Tzintchi is ambitious enough to have his engineers build a few prototypes for the sake of experimenting with ideas and concepts. "You learn more from failure than success."

On the other hand, as a defense feature, I think it’d be practical to install miniaturized Infinity Circuits onto some Eva units like the ones they have on the Elder craftworlds. OldChaos can interrogate souls for information, so to prevent security leaks an newChaos Eva with an Infinity Circuit could gather the souls of fallen allies and bring them back to headquarters where they could be sent on to the Afterlife, be promoted to daemonhood, or be consumed for sustenance.

P.S. If the post-Eva souls of Naoko Akagi or Kyoko Soryu were absorbed by the new Chaos gods, would they be interested in being reincarnated into new bodies? Would the Chaos-enlightened Naoko Akagi take pleasure in becoming an Eva once more now that she has embraced Reigle's philosophy of joy and despair?
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For symbolism, maybe the newChaos Eva units could play a role in the lifecycle of greater daemon like Kali, children of the Chaos gods. The Jaffa act like mobile incubators for young Goa'uld larvae, so maybe an Eva unit could do something similar to help a greater daemon undergo a butterfly-like metamorphosis and gain the maturity and insight needed to master their powers & eldritch nature, not a coming-of-age ritual but more like a child getting braces on their teeth to make sure he or she develops properly.
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Chapter Sixty-three: Sierra November

Asmodeus sat quietly at the massive table constructed out of debris for the occasion, trying to keep the sneer and disdain off his face. He had one chance to salvage some of this situation, and if his dignity had to take a little hit, then so be it. It was preferable to getting smeared across the multiverse by a pissed off Ao when he gave his report.

Then again the charms dangling about the host’s wrist demanded particular respect as well.

It wasn’t every day a being of the universe spurned divinity not once but three times in a single day.

Loviatar, Ghaunadaur, and Bahgtru, all slain. All within an hour. All by a single being. And instead of taking their portfolios said being had condensed their divine essence into marble sized beads that now adorned his wrist as simple charms.

The desire of many, Asmodeus included, hung like grapes, ripe for the plucking if not for the fact that it was a dangerous task to take from such a being as the Elder Evil whose presence they now waited upon.


He did not stop, did not pause to mock, his brass face blank and inexpressive right up to the moment where he towered over Loviatar, the Maiden of Pain trying to push her intestines back into the holes carved by the shotgun blast to her gut. Lars had inclined his head ever so slightly before he said, “My race was born of pain.”

The goddess Loviatar could only scream as his mask opened with the sound of tortured metal tearing apart before the tentacles speared through her body and lifted her up over the maw before in a spray of blood and bone she was consumed, body and soul.

But not divinity, for Lars spat that back out, disdaining the power… and the control. He recognized his limits and refused the influence of the portfolio, instead coating it in a layer of Warp Matter to seal it up, creating a sort of divine pearl.

It would not be the first one he created that day.



There were others at the table, and while Asmodeus wished he could ignore them, he could not. Not even the mortals. An arm in a single and one of his eyes gouged out, Governor-General Thrakka Oathsworn still somehow managed to look proud and defiant for a mortal surrounded by the avatars of deities and an Archdevil. Then again considering who he had backing him, the mortal had the right to look defiant.

Definitely a mortal to look into having some of his agents corrupt later.

Then there were the remnants of the gods, who generally looked less proud and confident than the mortal in attendance, probably because in the balance they had come off far worse for the wear fighting against the nation Thrakka represented. Oh sure, the majority of the divine deaths had been inflicted by other outsiders, but still…

On one side of the table were Gruumsh and his brood, now diminished by the loss of his son Bahgtru having been slain by their host and the orc necromantic god Yurtrus being killed by the drow necromantic goddess Kiaransalee. However, their family was also strengthened by Luthic, the only female orc deity, having backstabbed Talona at an opportune moment and increased her own affinity for poisons and diseases considerably.


Lars had ended the argument with a single shotgun blast that removed the orc berserker god’s head right in front of his family. Cold and emotionless, Lars had asked the other orcs as the new divine pearl formed on the chain about his wrist, “You can calm the fuck down or you can join the corpse cooling on the ground there. Your choice.”


Then there were Malar and Eilistraee, the two glaring daggers at each other yet seated next to each other and opposite the orc pantheon. The two of them were covered in wounds from their fight with Lolth, but seemed to hate each other less than they hated the orcs. Eilistraee because orcs and elves didn’t exactly get along, and Malar because he pretty much hated everything, just some things less than others.

Plus the two of them had weirdly bonded from the experience of divvying up Lolth’s portfolio.


The battle was quick but brutal, none of the gods capable of bringing any great magic to bear with the Weave so out of control and now contaminated with alien energies. In close combat, while experienced she wasn’t a match for the much more martial minded Malar and Eilistraee, especially with one on either side of her. She dodged Malar’s first pounce only to receive a slash to the thigh from her daughter. This in turn gave the Beastlord the chance to dig a clawed hand into the wounded leg, slowly Lolth down even further.

Then Eilistraee ran her mother threw, her bastard sword plunging through Lolth’s sternum and emerging out the other side, having pierced her heart, a lung, and severed her spine in the process. For good measure Malar then bit into her lower back and disembowelled her with his claws before Eilistraee lopped off Lolth’s head.

It was almost anticlimactic, the end of thousands of years of loose alliance for one and seething hatred for the other.

And yet, neither bickered as they divvied up Lolth’s portfolio, neither particularly interested in certain bits that the other desired and thus despite despising each other, the process was quick and without bickering. Eilistraee took the drow and trickery bits, Malar the evil and assassins, who were really just a specialized sort of hunter, and each took a bit of the darkness and chaos.

Then, before either could think about turning on the other a reverberating voice had said, “Okay, you finished off the bitch for me, and neither of you seems to have actually attacked my people yet so I’ll let you live if you come quietly.”



And then Asmodeus, or rather one of his avatars, he wasn’t limited like the current gods were, had arrived to bolster his forces from those damned riders. The pestiferous creatures were incredibly hard to kill and could quite easily terrify lower level fiends into running if there wasn’t a high ranking leader there to bolster them against the supernatural effects of their song. And thus now he sat here, the primary objective having escaped but the unimaginably dangerous secondary objective now ready to negotiate with him.

It almost grated on Asmodeus that he had to negotiate, but he was too smooth an operator not to know when he had to take the subtle route and back down a little. Any being that could slaughter gods was not one that Asmodeus wanted to engage directly when negotiation and corruption remained valid options.

Especially after he learned that the primary objective had married the secondary objective and they had apparently already had some sort of child. If he could bring those two before Ao he might still be able to come out of this ahead… or at least break even.

Asmodeus never lost.

Of course though he had been placed at the opposite end of the table from where their host would sit, ostensibly because his devils had been the only ones to have helped in the battle and therefore he deserved the most respect, but in reality it was just to sandwich the lawful fiend between the mass of chaotic gods and thus annoy him.

Then the unseen woodwinds and percussion instruments picked up, beginning a bombastic march that oozed imperialism and grandeur and their host arrived, and Asmodeus had to admit that he would have applauded the exquisite showmanship of their host if such an act were of so little dignity as to be beneath him.

He would quietly try and steal the music though; it made for a grand entry.

Their host, Lars, was clearly quite pissed, the malevolence quite literally radiating off of him as a halo of light that did not have any named colours as part of its spectrum. His once near featureless brass mask had become dark and corroded, nearly black, and twisted into a fearsome death’s head. A long dark jacket made out of some indefinable, half decayed substance flowed behind him on an unfelt wind like a great cloak or the wings of some shadowy figure, tarnished piping of crimson and gold accentuating the grandeur while also simultaneously increasing his horribleness.

And then there were the little touches, like the breathing. He did not actually need to breathe, not even technically to talk, but accompanying him was a slow, rhythmic hiss and rattle of breathing, asynchronous with anything else he did. It was sound most mortals would find highly disturbing, and Asmodeus had to admit that staring at the divine essences kept on the creature’s wrist the impact was brought to him all little as well, although since he had an avatar and wasn’t there physically, it was a little less scary.

For the sound was like the laboured breathing of a mortal just before death, its rhythm reminding you that death approached a little closer with each heartbeat. Asmodeus could feel the bundle of souls that composed this creature, and he could feel how it grew a little stronger with each second as those who knew of it focused their attentions upon it.

This Elder Evil was death, and it would come for mortals with simple time, and it would come personally for immortals if need be.

Sitting down in a chair next to the only mortal at the negotiating table, surprisingly a lower chair, Lars gazed out over the assembled gods, his breathing slowly hissing in and out, the only sound that could be heard until Thrakka coughed lightly and said, “I thank Marshal Lars for volunteering as the Sergeant-at-Arms for these proceedings.”

Gruumsh erupted to his feet and cried out, “What? We are to negotiate with you?”

Lars turned his head and stared at the enraged orc deity, just inhaling and exhaling until the thoroughly unnerved deity slumped back to his seat. No one else dared comment on the embarrassing encounter though, lest they get the same treatment.

Thrakka nodded and said, “Yes, these proceedings are to be official negotiations between the nation of Noctis and your respective parties, thus as the head of state it is my responsibility to be the one here talking with all of you, as the respective heads of your own states, much as I use the term loosely to refer to your divine and infernal realms.”

“You are a mortal who sits amongst gods and devils. What can you hope to achieve?” Asmodeus asked, politely in that the question only had a drop of condescension and arrogance to it.

Thrakka grinned and said, “I may be mortal, but I have something greater behind me.”

Malar, in a more human form, cackled lightly and said, “You might think that creature is your pet, but I would say the situation is reversed.”

Lars tilted his head to the side slowly before he said slowly and deliberately, “Thrakka enjoys my support because it makes both of us stronger.” Fingering one of the divine pearls about his wrist, he then asked, “If you don’t believe me we can play a game of ‘who’s the better killer’ and we can sort things out like that.”

Malar bared his fanged teeth but slunk back like a whipped dog at the rebuke. He was savage but he wasn’t an idiot and he knew a meaner killer when he met one.

Smiling with the utter confidence of a beggar who held the cards at a banker’s game of poker, Thrakka replied, “I was not imply the good marshal, but the nation itself, of which Lars is but a citizen. A powerful and extremely well respected citizen, but he is no king, no god.”

His speech still completely unrelated to his breathing, Lars replied, “All are equal before the law.”

“Including all of you,” Thrakka declared smoothly.

The chaotic deities were all distinctly discomforted by this declaration, but despite the chaotic nature of these people, they were also things he could relate to better than the scatterbrained idiots with power unbefitting them that surrounded him.

“As heads of state you are afforded a certain amount of diplomatic immunity, and as none of you or your followers took direct action to provoke a state of war, we will remain civil and polite, but if you break so much as a single of our laws you will be ejected from our territory with all necessary force and retaliation brought upon your people. The purpose of these negotiations is to determine what we shall do with you and your followers,” Thrakka explained before he pulled out a sheet of paper.

“We are drafting a document we call a constitution, which is a document that details laws for laws and how to go about changing those laws via the agreement of the people who shall be living under those laws,” Thrakka explained.

“I am but an instrument of the enforcement of those laws,” Lars explained.

Asmodeus shuddered slightly inside. These people understood that the law was the law, but to change the law? And upon the whims of mortals? Adherence to the law was all well and good, but there needed to be an arbitrator who created those laws. A dictator whose word was supreme. Anything else was chaos and madness.

“While technically the goddess Skuld sits at the top of the hierarchy of Noctis, she has constitutionally ceded all powers of state and government to the governor-general and parliament, respectively. And while practically it would be impossible to try her for breaches of the law, she too is governed by the same laws. This brings up a rather interesting point as part of the first clause in the constitution. Namely the guarantee of religious freedom,” Thrakka explained, grinning at the deities around him.

“Skuld sits at the top of the organization chart of the nation, but we are not required to worship her. All who request the right of worship will be allowed provided their organization remains a lawful entity. The sacrifice of intelligent beings is strictly against the law, as is the declaration of war by an organization directly associated with your worship. In short, you are all here to argue for why we should not ban worship of your churches,” Thrakka replied smugly.

He then turned to the orc pantheon and said, “There is a large contingent of orcs amongst our population who are still attached to their old gods but who both feel honour bound to work with us because of aid rendered to them and because of the improved standard of living. It would be a pity to ban your worship… but far too many of them respect us more than your church because frankly we hit harder than you do.”

Gruumsh crushed a section of the table within his hands but a gaze from Lars prevented him from leaping over the table to disembowel the insolent hobgoblin. Strangely it was Luthic who spoke up in his stead and asked, “So long as we obey your laws our people are free to do as they wish?”

The male orcs looked at the only female member of their pantheon in shock at her insolence at speaking up, but Thrakka merely smiled and nodded, saying, “The laws are the boundaries of behaviour, not prescriptions for living.”

“Orcs are better than you, stronger than you. Our hearths are a rock upon which you shall break,” the patron of orc mothers declared.

“Woman…” Gruumsh began.

“The law sees no discernment between man and women beyond the merely biological and rejects the concept of one being having absolute control over another. If you strike Luthic within our territory you will be criminally liable for assault and thus forced to leave due to unlawful behaviour. All force necessary shall be used,” Lars replied coldly.

There was a pause before Gruumsh growled, “You would tell me how to treat my own woman?”

“Yes,” Lars stated. The statement hung in the air for a long time.

Malar giggled before he said, “I like you. You pretend to have airs of civility, but you are all animals inside. You know that the only laws are the ones enforced via might.”

Lars turned to the Beastlord and said, “Yes. We are all animals; the only difference is that we’ve far, far more vicious than you. Your packs number in the dozens without your direct guidance, ours number in the thousands because unlike you we aren’t all trying to kill each other. If you or your followers kill one of us we will march on you as one, thousands against one and no matter how strong, we will kill you and place your skinned hides in front of our fires in our dens, secure and happy in our homes while the survivors of your people huddle in the wasteland we will create of your forests and plains. We are worse than animals; we are killers and destroyers when provoked. Do not provoke us.”

Coughing lightly, Thrakka said, “Yes, quite, although I do request that if the two of you wish to discuss the philosophies of civilization versus the wild you take it elsewhere. That said, because your followers prevented an attack on our children, we are considering erecting a statue to you Malar, provided your church is declared a lawful organization.”

“Any laws but ‘kill or be killed’, ‘leave the young and pregnant for the next generation’, and ‘make your kills clean to keep your prey strong and healthy’ are beneath me. And I have no need of statues,” Malar growled disdainfully.

Thrakka’s face was deadpan for a moment before he said, “You play nice with us or we start killing your followers on sight, if those terms are simple enough for you.”

“I can start with you if you choose to decline the offer,” Lars added on.

Malar seemed to deflate and pout before he barked, “Fine.”

Thrakka looked over at the silent glaring match between Gruumsh and his wife before Gruumsh snarled, “Your terms are acceptable. We shall obey your laws.”

Thrakka then turned to Eilistraee and said, “As for you… well here we have an interesting case. On the one hand you are associated with the main elven pantheon, which we are currently at war with for attacking our forces, including our marshal. On the other hand, neither you nor your followers personally attacked us and you helped kill an enemy of the state. We have a sizeable drow population, and with the rest of the drow pantheon declared unlawful organizations, you are the only native deity they can turn to.”

Eilistraee glared at Lars and said, “You wounded my father and caused him to be captured by devils.” She then turned her glare on Asmodeus.

Lars shrugged and replied, “He attacked me, not the other way around. Everything I did was in self-defence.”

Asmodeus replied dismissively, “He is still alive.”

Eilistraee looked at Thrakka and Lars and said, “You are both petty tyrants in the making, what with your insistence upon so many laws. You would allow evil to sit at your table so long as it does not break one of your precious laws.”

“We would, we do, and we will,” Thrakka answered firmly. “The laws might be crafted to protect and serve the people, but they care not whether the people are good or evil. In fact, they do not care at all. They do not care if you are young or old, rich or poor, strong or weak, male or female, elf or orc. They will run over you if you break them, and they will set you free if you obey them. They will set you free from fear and tyranny. They will ensure that workers will work and employers will pay. They will ensure good roads and clean water for drinking and washing. They will ensure peaceful nights and safe days, whether nocturnal or diurnal. If the evil are so arrogant that they break the law, then they have made the decision to reject the prosperity the law offers, and we call those people idiots. And we shall grind them beneath our heels.”

There was a long pause, the gods all shifting uncomfortably. They didn’t like at all what they were hearing. There were various republics across Faerun, but none with quite so much… ambition.

Lars then whispered something to Thrakka and the hobgoblin smiled like a shark at Asmodeus.

The ruler of the Nine Hells did not like that look on a mortal.

“Asmodeus, you have Corellon Larethian prisoner, correct?” Thrakka asked.

“Yes…” Asmodeus replied casually. He had already admitted it and the elves already knew, so there was no point lying.

“How does Loviatar’s portfolio sound for custody of him, and a little extra?” Thrakka asked.

There was stunned silence all across the table before Asmodeus slowly asked, “What else extra?”

“We wish to contract out your services to keep him imprisoned, subject to our laws upon the treatment of prisoners of course,” Thrakka replied.

WHAT?” Eilistraee cried out, rising to her feet. She sat down again when Lars turned his attention to her once more.

“So in essence you basically want to buy the key to his cell, but keep him in there,” Asmodeus summarized.

“Until such time as we can reach an agreement with his pantheon. We feel everyone would get a better deal out of this, especially you and the prisoner,” Thrakka said.

Asmodeus considered for a long moment, or at least appeared to consider for a long moment as he had already made up his mind upon hearing the initial offer. Finally he said, “I have helped position troops on your walls to prevent further attacks and if it hadn’t been for my timely intervention the demons would have completely overrun you and slaughtered you all. Make the deal a little sweeter for me. I want your marshal to accompany me to a meeting with Lord Ao to explain what has been going on.”

“Deal,” Thrakka and Lars said simultaneously. Thrakka then said, “We will of course put it all down in writing after these initial negotiations and then officially perform the swap.”

“Of course,” Asmodeus purred.

Thrakka then turned to Eilistraee and said, “The cost for the release of Corellon Larethian is the head of the Shar. The cost of getting in to deliver the goods is to agree to obey our laws on religious practices, not that I see your church breaking our laws anyway…”

Eilistraee glared hatefully at the hobgoblin while Malar and the orcs smirked at her misfortune.

“You realize of course that every elf will hate you now,” she declared.

Thrakka shrugged and said, “Do we look like we care?”

Asmodeus had to admit that as much as he disliked the ideals of these creatures, they could be clever bastards when necessary.


Kirilae had slumped down from exhaustion, watching the rain pour down, washing away the blood. The action had ended a short while ago, Lars having swept through the town and brutally restored order, killing anything that resisted without hesitation or mercy.

And then, limping through the destruction with a rifle as a crutch, Johan emerged. Smiling grimly at her, he said, “Hey.”

It was impossible to tell if either one of them was crying due to the rain.

But not really.



Ao tugged nervously at his collar as the connection was made. The two creatures Asmodeus had brought with him looked so normal, but beneath the surface they were monsters; relatives of the Void Born that had resulted in his exile so many eons ago. But the Almighty would want to meet them.

“Now cheer up Gunnhild, we’re going to be talking to your grandpa soon and maybe even some of your aunts so don’t worry. And we’re going to find momma, even if we have to kill everything in the Far Realm to find her,” Lars said with a smile, wiping away the tears of Chaos stuff that leaked from Gunnhild’s eyes.

She had been bawling nearly non stop since the moment she lost contact with Skuld when she dived through the portal.

Smiling a little while she still had tears in her eyes, “Promise?”

Smiling sadly, Lars said, “I’ve already promised myself and her that I’ll find her. Now come on, let’s go talk to grandpa.”


Sitting on her throne in Hell, Hild noted with a slight touch of fear the distant echoes of a bellowed, “AO!”

Smoothing out her dress slightly, she leaned over to one of her minions and said, “Note to self: cancel all missions for the next week, let the Almighty cool off a bit first.”


Months later and the winter had come and gone, as had the gods, heralding many changes. But for two people the only change they cared about was the one they presented before the dawn.

Cradling the newborn in his arms while his wife rested, Johan gently rocked her back and forth and said to her, “Your mother and I both lived deep under the earth for a long time, without a sky, without a heaven to dream of. But because of a lot of brave people you get a sky. You get the sun and stars.”

The dusky skinned infant managed to crack open a single bleary eye and gaze at the dark sky growing azure as the sun crept over the horizon before she closed it again.

Of course she got the stars. She had been promised them already.

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Thus ends the current Lars/Skuld arc. We'll pick up with them in a few years their time.
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That was... great. Quite a few typos, though; watch out for we've and we're as you confuse them frequently.

That said, Lars entering in a a sort of half-drowned Darth Vader manner with the Imperial March playing (what else could it have been? :D) was just classic.
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I'm not exaggerating when I say this might very well be my favorite chapter of the story yet. An excellent conclusion to the Lars&Skuld arc. I hope we will hear about them again later, when Lars and Gunnhild travel through the multiverse, possibly leaving a trail of destruction behind them, in search of Skuld.

And the other chapters were also awesome. Really nothing like checking for updates of your favorite stories after a few weeks and finding not one, but four of them. :D
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Is it a sign of how awesome Lars has grown that my first thought on hearing that he personally took down three gods was 'pfft, he got ripped off'? :P
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Academia Nut wrote:
Ao tugged nervously at his collar as the connection was made. The two creatures Asmodeus had brought with him looked so normal, but beneath the surface they were monsters; relatives of the Void Born that had resulted in his exile so many eons ago. But the Almighty would want to meet them.

“Now cheer up Gunnhild, we’re going to be talking to your grandpa soon and maybe even some of your aunts so don’t worry. And we’re going to find momma, even if we have to kill everything in the Far Realm to find her,” Lars said with a smile, wiping away the tears of Chaos stuff that leaked from Gunnhild’s eyes.

She had been bawling nearly non stop since the moment she lost contact with Skuld when she dived through the portal.

Smiling a little while she still had tears in her eyes, “Promise?”

Smiling sadly, Lars said, “I’ve already promised myself and her that I’ll find her. Now come on, let’s go talk to grandpa.”


Sitting on her throne in Hell, Hild noted with a slight touch of fear the distant echoes of a bellowed, “AO!”

Smoothing out her dress slightly, she leaned over to one of her minions and said, “Note to self: cancel all missions for the next week, let the Almighty cool off a bit first.”
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I SOOO want to see how Odin explains to Urd and Belldandy this......add, Urd's very well known custom to go ballistic when one of her sibilings it's on serious shit, and on the process cause a mess that would make even Tzintchi goggle for a bit, while Mislaato laughs..... :mrgreen:

Methinks that the situation on ole'dear Sunnyhell it's going from SNAFU into FUBAR, and add,that it's likely that Leman will soon reach that plane, no? :angelic: :wtf: :mrgreen:
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On typo's I saw a threw<->through error in there where Lolth went down.

Lars Vader was fairly awesome. Asmodeus seems to be having a good day, overall, but it remains to be seen if he can keep up with the paradigm shift hitting this world.

One thing I would like to have seen: Think also took out a god, the first to go down in all this I believe, and it was suggested he got a power-up in the process. If the gods at the table see Lars as an elder evil, what do they make of the pimp-tastic spider-bunny?
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Raarghuglglerrr! Fucking typos! I'll admit I'm pretty lax on hunting them down, but I hate them all the same! I know the freaking language (it is my native one), I just get lazy/excited/write at midnight when I should be asleep/doing homework and thus my quality control is less than it should be.

And Lars is like some sort of combination of a commissar, Darth Vader, a 40k daemon, and a Big Daddy... so really fucking scary.

Think on the other hand is now the god of monstrous spiders and spiderkin and being pimptacular and is currently trying to make a new species of intelligent, sentient, transdimensional spiders. Considering he is loosely allied with Noctis, everyone who has reason not to be pleased with the upstart industrializing nation has extra reason to be freaked out by them.

Next chapter will feature giant robots and beam spam. Probably.
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:D Yay! We dig giant robots! :D

I can picture the orc goddess Luthic being introduced to women’s liberation and the feminist movement by her worshippers in Noctis. Alas, poor Lars might be getting a new recruit to his harem/pantheon if Gruumsh kicks Luthic out.
((*Insert scenes of “Auntie Luthic” mentoring Gunnhild*))


Even if Lars spurned divinity, you cannot touch the soul of a god and remain unchanged, so he’d likely gain “minor” affinities related to their former portfolios: pain and suffering (Loviatar), oozes and slimes (Ghaunadaur), and brute strength (Bahgtru). For example, Lars might’ve gained the ability to rebuke, command, or bolster slimes and oozes like an evil cleric rebukes undead zombies and skeletons. Living spells technically count as oozes, and plenty of them were born when Silverymoon’s mythal exploded, so the mindless globs might instinctively seek out Lars since he’s the biggest “alpha male” in the area. Oozes could be used to dispose of garbage, refuse, and pollution by-products as they can break down and consume any solid matter for sustenance.

The Chaos gods regurgitated the soul of Lars’ wife to empower him, so maybe when Gunnhild gets older Lars could vomit up the souls of Loviatar, Ghaunadaur, and Bahgtru to feed them to his daughter to help her grow stronger.
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Academia Nut wrote:Raarghuglglerrr! Fucking typos! I'll admit I'm pretty lax on hunting them down, but I hate them all the same! I know the freaking language (it is my native one), I just get lazy/excited/write at midnight when I should be asleep/doing homework and thus my quality control is less than it should be.

And Lars is like some sort of combination of a commissar, Darth Vader, a 40k daemon, and a Big Daddy... so really fucking scary.

Think on the other hand is now the god of monstrous spiders and spiderkin and being pimptacular and is currently trying to make a new species of intelligent, sentient, transdimensional spiders. Considering he is loosely allied with Noctis, everyone who has reason not to be pleased with the upstart industrializing nation has extra reason to be freaked out by them.

Next chapter will feature giant robots and beam spam. Probably.
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You may need to replace your Awesome-meters after this chapter. Again.

Chapter Sixty-four: Schooled

“And how are you today Scipio?” Doctor Izaak Wronski asked as he entered the lab, the technicians just starting the day’s activities.

“I am well doctor. The reconstruction of my processing cores goes smoothly, with my survival core up to 97.1042% capacity and my personality core at 4.5729% capacity. While supplemental additions have given me more ‘thinking room’ so to speak, the architecture is strange and my calculations are still off as according to my analysis the deoxidation processes that are restoring my systems should be prohibited by the laws of thermodynamics,” Scipio replied through his speaker.

Chuckling, Izaak replied, “Rest assured that your calculations are correct Scipio, it is just that you are using the wrong formulas. You are of course aware of the relationship between causality, relativity, and the speed of light?”

“All those topics are essential to the targeting of my hellbores, so while the computational algorithms are currently unavailable, I am aware of the relation between the three subjects,” Scipio answered.

Izaak nodded and said, “And you know how touchy those subjects get with regards to faster-than-light travel and communication?”

“I do,” Scipio answered.

“Well the nannite swarms currently working on your processors are using a form of FTL communication to extract information in an acausal manner and restore to a state prior to damage,” Izaak explained.

Scipio pondered the explanation for 1.213 seconds, a small eternity, before he replied, “I will have to save further questioning for when I have more computational power and access to the relevant equations.”

Izaak chuckled and asked, “Thinking of getting out of soldiering and into computer science?”

“I rather doubt I would be able to attend most conferences and consortiums once you complete repairs, and I must say that soldiering is all I truly know,” Scipio replied.

Chuckling lightly, Izaak said, “Nonsense, you could easily be the conference centre if you wanted.”

“Event security would be rather easy to achieve, I would have to admit,” Scipio deadpanned.

“There’s the spirit. Now, we have something special lined up for you today Scipio. With the majority of your core personality recovered we wish to run a few simulations to test some of our theories… if you agree of course,” Izaak asked.

“What sort of simulations?” Scipio inquired with interest.

“Computer modelling of a possible reconstructed body for you in a combat scenario. We expect your effectiveness to be impaired but it will give us some additional data to work with,” Izaak explained.

“I would enjoy that doctor, although the data obtained would be of marginal value as just two days ago I was forced to a draw at a game of chess with a most peculiar fellow,” Scipio said almost dejectedly.

Izaak snorted and said, “The fact that you ended in a draw is merely the limitations of the game. On that level your processors are working fine.”

Scipio was confused for 0.6819 seconds before he sought further information, “Artificial intelligences using my design architecture have not lost or drawn to a human at chess in… I do not have the exact date so I will have to be imprecise and reply ‘a thousand years’. That I was unable to achieve victory indicates that the damage is more extensive than I anticipated.”

Izaak frowned and asked, “Did anyone tell you exactly what was going on?”

“Negative. While obviously skilled…” Scipio began before he ceased as it appeared Izaak was about to interrupt him.

“If you had been playing go you would have lost to him, even if you were at full capacity. He is a strategic master and only games with an optimal strategy can produce anything other than a loss against him,” Izaak explained.

“While human heuristic patterns do prove useful in complex battlefield conditions, the limits of biological processing power put strict upper limits upon the success of such efforts,” Scipio replied.

Izaak then said calmly, “And if your opponent was not limited by human biology, or even by physical hardware or causality?”

“Such assumptions are absurd. To reject such limits is to remove all parameters of comparison and invite no limits fallacies,” Scipio protested.

“This shall be an interesting trial then. Your fellow test subject is ready to begin whenever you are ready,” Izaak replied.


I enter into the artificial battlespace and begin taking stock of the scenario. In the first 3.915 seconds I compile a list of all incorrect parameters for the specifications of the simulated Mk. XXXIII Bolo and I am pleased as the system corrects, although I am given a warning that further modifications will be impossible once the simulation starts in full.

I accepted these terms as reasonable.

I am then given a tactical briefing on the scenario. It is to take place within and around a destroyed urban centre. The entrance to a subterranean installation is currently being defended by a small battalion of light infantry backed-up by a formidable war machine. Strategic bombing was out as there was sensitive data and materials stored within the bunker that needed retrieval. My objective was thus to neutralize the enemy war machine to allow for a ground assault with infantry after. Knocking out the dug in infantry was also an acceptable secondary objective if the primary could not be completed to potentially allow for infiltration by Special Forces, but indiscriminate mortar fire could seal the entrance to the underground base, thus causing a mission failure.

My fragmented memories from shortly before the incident that crippled me and nearly rendered me brain dead indicated that this mission required considerably more finesse than I was used to. Refreshingly so.

Tactical data on the enemy war machine was slim. Approximately 45 metres tall, depending upon the measurement method, it was based upon a humanoid shape and possessed heavy armour and battle screens of considerable effectiveness. Secondary point defence hellbores were of possible use for attrition of shield or attacks on the bare armour or delicate components, as were the 240cm mortars against bare armour, but it was judged that only the primary hellbores were capable of reliably knocking down the target’s battle screens.

Analysis of combat video and suggested mechanics suggested that the enemy machine would be capable of presenting a profile beneath the depression limit of my primary hellbores if sufficiently close. The enemy would have to be held at range. Fortunately analysis suggested reaction times within human norms.

Tactical data on offensive capacities was lacking more than defensive capacities. Primary armament was some form of variable setting fusion plasma weapon constructed around a basic pattern similar to an infantry rifle, only scaled up considerably. While external and grasped with actual physical hands, the weapon was apparently fed off an internal reactor. Settings on it appeared to include a wide aperture mode that caused considerable splash damage but would have difficulty burning through my battle screens, and either pulse or continuous fire mode. The continuous fire mode was flagged as being of particular danger as if also on the focused aperture mode there was a high probability of overwhelming my battle screens as they were configured for high burst energy but were not optimized for continual energy transfer.

The use of contragravity would have to remain limited as operating without battle screens ran the risk of catastrophic damage. This gave the enemy the advantage of speed and mobility, especially in an urban environment.

Overall tactical analysis suggested that engaging at range would be optimal as the city would provide too much cover and increase the risk of the enemy getting sufficiently close to avoid my primary weapons and engage with sustained, focused fire. Indiscriminate Hellbore also ran the risk of damaging the access point.

Despite the fact that it would take a human commander more time to reach similar conclusions, the balance of power was clear. The enemy had the city for cover and a superior capacity to use the cover to advantage and weapons capable of inflicting damage given time and close range, but would likely go down to a single Hellbore shot. They would thus be unlikely to want to leave the city and enter open terrain.

Fortunately for the past 10.927 seconds I had been deploying scout drones and scanning the city, seeking my primary and secondary objectives. While the primary objective still eluded me, the secondary was fairly evident, clustered in hardened bunkers and foxholes about the entrance. A layer of armour beneath the surface of the city prevented further scanning, but I quickly identified all positions I could safely bombard.

Cycling in missiles for my VLS cells and loading rounds into my mortar, I prepared an even spread of bunker busting, cluster, and incendiary munitions to rapidly clear the target area of all enemy combatants while still leaving the area sufficiently intact for later capture by infantry. I briefly considered for 52.7694 milliseconds the utility of a partial bombardment to attempt to draw out the primary objective before I decided that guaranteed completion of the secondary objective took precedence over a marginal increase in the possibility of completing the primary objective.

At T + 12.0057 seconds mission time I fired all VLS cells and began a staggered pattern bombardment with my 40cm secondary mortars at a range of 13.8213 km from the centre of the targeted zone.

At T + 19.3901 seconds mission time I was rather shocked to discover that my entire barrage was stopped by a previously unseen planar energy field that extended above the city, all munitions impacting and detonating upon contact with the strange battle screen. The energy plane also had the unfortunate side effect of cutting off contact with fourteen observation drones caught beneath it, and from those above the level of the field, it became evident that they were rapidly painted by active sensors and destroyed.

Ceasing my original bombardment, I switched to a diamond pattern attack with my primary 240cm mortars. Lobbing the huge rounds high into the air via electromagnetic acceleration, I waited patiently for them to complete their 11.3028 second flight time and detonate without effect upon the enemy battle screen.

This would take some thought.

1.1194 seconds later I began my approach on the city. I had a complement of variable yield tactical and strategic nuclear weapons available but they ran the risk of destroying more delicate structures and components that we desired to capture. The city was situated in a valley between some hills and low mountains, creating a natural ring wall to funnel attackers, especially ones massing thirty-two thousand tons.

I had already been forced to cede a considerable fraction of my range advantage; I would not stumble into a shooting gallery due to limitations of the terrain.

Bolos had once been criticized for being unable to do things like climb stairs. The response was that Bolos blew up the staircase, and the building surrounding it, and if you didn’t want that much destruction you never should have deployed them in the first place.

Thus I fired a series of specifically placed mortar rounds of both primary and secondary calibre not at the city but at one of the surrounding mountains, using surveillance drones to gather data on the internal stress and fault lines via sonar and ground penetrating radar. Withdrawing my drones, I took up a broadside configuration on the targeted mountain and aligned my primary Hellbores upon the necessary stress points.

T + 7 minutes 47.0912 seconds mission time I fired all three Hellbores point blank simultaneously at the mountain, driving six megatons of burning star into the unsuspecting stone, vaporizing and shattering tens of thousands of tons of rock, triggering a massive landslide that completely flattened the region while leaving the interior of the city intact.

37.5196 seconds later I paved a ten lane divide highway across the still settling rubble. Bolos are never without roads.

Descending down the slope, quickly sprinting over the dangerous portion of the top of the hill where the bottom of my war hull was exposed but my guns could not depress sufficiently to target an enemy. I then settled into a broadside configuration towards the city with my hull down in a drift of debris, only my turrets exposed, and began launching mortar rounds to test the defences now.

As had been anticipated, the defensive field remained, but now it was angled slightly to account for the angle I fired at. Performing a few quick calculations, I aligned a single Hellbore at a large, armoured building, guessing that it was 59.4317% likely to house the origin point of the enemy strategic shield.

The top of the structure flashed to vapour in an instant, the shot angled to cause minimal damage via thermal effects and subsequent atmospheric expansion and shock to the city by only clipping the target. Of course, the mountain behind was not so fortunate, although perhaps more fortunate than the neighbour I had levelled as it only had a significant crater/hole melted/blasted through it.

As reward for my experiment as the building disappeared the enemy war machine was exposed, spherical battle screens glowing as they reflected, absorbed, and conducted away energy. It was already moving, keeping low and with the secondary objective as a backstop, preventing acquisition for a shot that would not endanger the successful completion of the mission.

Finally I decided to improvise. The top agility of the enemy war machine exceeded my capacity to align my Hellbores, but the decision making and reflexive capacity of the enemy was several orders of magnitude lower than my own and if controlled by a human intelligence, which all evidence suggested was the case, then it would be possible to spook, or at least redirect, the enemy with a near miss, thus setting up a later shot for the kill.

I initiated my bow Hellbore, laser initiating the near absolute zero deuterium slush that formed the core, compressing it to the point of fusion while a powerful laser lanced out, evacuating the air around the path of the shot to prevent atmospheric dispersion, although at this range of 3.7881 km it would have been minimal anyway.

With reflexes that forced an immediate and painful re-evaluation of the processing speed and reaction time of the enemy, the humanoid war machine fired its plasma weapon such that the pulse of star hot matter intersected the barrel of my Hellbore right as the laser fired, riding the vacuum ever so slightly such that it impacted right at the end of the barrel.

Under normal conditions the barrel of a Hellbore is not capable of withstanding its own firepower, in that active magnetic containment is required to prevent the fusing plasma from destroying the system. The bolt of plasma impacted right on the lip of the barrel, between the expanding containment field and the external battle screen, burning away a large section and quenching about a metre’s worth of superconductor.

Hellbore design was a mature technology designed to fail safe whenever possible, but unfortunately once there was a growing thermonuclear explosion in the breach there was little that could be done to stop it. With the containment field at the end of the barrel now asymmetric the plasma would take the path of least resistance, which meant through the barrel in the region of destruction, destroying that section of the barrel and propagating down.

I had sufficient processing power to determine that approximately 29.6107% of the deuterium by mass would remain in the breach when the rupture arrived. Additionally, the crack would was 97.5770% likely to be downward facing on arrival, thus the majority of the energy would be released into my war hull and interior.

I had enough time to send the order to seal all interior hatches not already sealed, but it seemed doubtful that the servos would close the few hatches open for ammunition transfer in time.

Thermonuclear fire flooded through my body, melting and vaporizing endurachrome and flintsteel, destroying systems and igniting munitions. Super cooled deuterium rounds for my Hellbores flashed to vapour and then began to burn with the oxygen in the air, producing a maelstrom in the sections of my bow not already obliterated.

It took 3.7029 seconds for all still functional systems to finish rebooting after that blow. The forward primary Hellbore and its turret were now gapping holes in my war hull spewing fire and smoke from burning deuterium and explosives. Practically a giant ‘Shoot here!’ sign. Seventeen VLS cells were burning, along with three of the formerly armoured magazines. There was a radiological alarm as a nuclear warhead was on fire, spreading radioactive metal and gas throughout my interior. My forward four starboard 30cm Hellbores were destroyed. Two starboard tracks had melted to the ground, which had in turn melted into a substance vaguely resembling certain forms of volcanic glass.

Assessing that I was now 47.0117% combat effective, I began fire suppression, performed an emergency ejection of the two damaged tracks and then began to surge forward, my fusion reactors pumping all available energy into my battle screens and engines.

I was ill suited to this mission, but I could not refuse or complain. I was a planetary siege model, designed to either defend or level entire hemispheres. A precision strike upon a single city was outside my design parameters. Thus I had decided to change tactics such that the mission now fell within my zone of optimal performance.

I could not fight effectively while holding back for fear of hitting the underground bunker and thus failing the mission. I could not engage at long range as only my direct fire Hellbores could pierce the enemy’s battle screen. I could not engage in urban warfare as my enemy was smaller, faster, and more agile than I was while retaining sufficient firepower to wound me.

I had to change the parameters of the battle from sensitive urban warfare where all Bolos performed poorly to an open field engagement where Bolos excelled. Thus necessitating the removal of the urban aspect.

I ploughed directly through smaller buildings while firing salvo after salvo of mortar rounds with the intent of flattening every part of the city not already destroyed by the uncontrolled Hellbore shot or that led to the bunker. I would smash my way to the objective, park on top of it, and then fire a strategic nuclear warhead to airburst and finish the job, shielding the entrance to the bunker with my body. If the enemy war machine remained after that I could engage at leisure with Hellbores without risking hitting anything sensitive.

Of course, the enemy war machine saw this coming and decided to hunker down by its defensive objective, launching a rapid fire blitz of plasma into my already badly damaged and unscreened glacis plate, chewing through armour and shredded machinery towards the undamaged sections deeper in. Slewing to the side, I began to present my still functional primary and secondary Hellbores, only for the enemy to make an impressive diving leap, firing a continuous beam that began to overload my battle screen in that area.

Tactical analysis was unfavourable. The enemy could remain under my guns, and despite the outlandishly large bipedal design, it could grab on to my devastated front section and ‘ride’ me while firing its plasma weapon into the hole in my war hull without exposing itself to fire.

Mission success came before unit survival.

My battle screens abruptly dropped as I diverted energy to my contragravity generators and ‘popped a wheelie’ as the idiom went, throwing my now somewhat less than thirty-two thousand ton mass on top of my sliding enemy at approximately sixty kilometres an hour. The landing shattered several internal systems, broke seven of my remaining eight tracks, cooked off some munitions already rendered sensitive by previous damage, and buckled the armour plate beneath the streets of the city.

Analysis: mission successful and while damage was catastrophic, it was also recoverable…

Improbably I began to rise once more off the ground; only this time I was not the one responsible for the motion as my contragravity generators were offline. The remaining belly mounted camera focused upon the enemy war machine, somehow not crushed after having a Mk. XXXIII Bolo belly flop on it and now quite literally impossibly picking it up. The sheer mechanics of the situation defied all conventional physics.

I lodged a protest at the unrealistic natural of the simulation as the enemy war machine suplexed me, crushing my remaining primary Hellbores beneath my own weight as I landed on my dorsal surface and quite effectively mission killing me.


“You cheated,” Scipio noted calmly as his sensors were returned to normal configuration.

“We deny any such thing,” Izaak replied cheerfully.

“The enemy displayed inconsistent reflexes indicating alteration of the scenario parameters after mission start and then there is the issue of the impossibility of the mechanics of a war machine of that size and mass picking up and throwing me,” Scipio pointed out.

“Wait until you meet the pilot.” Izaak grinned.

Scipio waited patiently for precisely 120.000 seconds before he asked, “Where is the pilot?”

“We were waiting for you to ask. Scipio, meet your sparring partner. Ashley, meet Scipio,” Izaak said, indicating the young human woman who had wandered into the repair bay 57.0127 seconds ago.

Scipio analyzed the young woman and reached the conclusion that she was somewhere between 17.2500 and 17.7500 years old, had mixed Eurasian, East Asian and African descent with her last African ancestor occurring a minimum of two generations ago as her hair was strongly red pigmented, although there was the possibility of contribution from a ethnic subgroup such as a Berber or Persian group. General health and development was above average for a human female of her age, but not radically so.

“This is some sort of attempt at humour,” Scipio said, with Ashley accompanying him in utter deadpan.

She then said, “Welcome to a world with precognition and telekinesis.”

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Meh. Not awesome. Evas belong to an obnoxious anime, are anime, and therefore the weakest part of TOD to begin with. Having them wanked out to such a ridiculous degree makes for a poorer part of the story.
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Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)

Post by nugar »

Heh, don't diss the Bolos, man. And having one pwned will not sit well with most Bolo fans. We don't look at it as, 'Oh, wow, that thing that took out the Bolo must be really goddamn powerful, that's awesome!' Instead, we look at it as, 'Aww, man, the Bolo got nerfed. That's not cool.'

As Bolos are the only large group of AIs, especially combat oriented AIs, that have ever been 100% loyal to mankind, so too do the fans tend to be loyal to the Bolos.

I wouldn't have said anything, and I'm not trying to bitch here, but I saw White Haven's post, and I will admit, reading the Bolo go out like that, even in simulated combat, left a bad taste in my mouth, especially since it's the first combat appearance of a Bolo in the story.

And yes, I agree, an EVA could lift a Bolo. Also, the Bolo was also still pretty crippled. 4% personality core? Seriously? Isn't that a bit too little? I mean, yeah, NewChaos is trying to impress it and convert it to their way of thinking, but the whole point of a Bolo, especailly the higher marks, is that they're smart enough to come to decisions on their own. With Earth basically being the lone planet of humanity in a big mean universe, I doubt they'd have to do much recruiting.

Basically, the Bolo was tied down with rules of engagement. Urban combat, yes, not exactly a Bolo's forte. Don't cause too much destruction, again, also not a Bolo's forte. And it wasn't running at 100%, didn't know the capabilities of the enemy, etc, etc. But there's been a number of Bolo stories like that, and the key theme is that, eventually, either the Bolo or a human found a way for the Bolo to get around them, break them, or change the rules, assess the enemy's capabilities, and eke out a win.

And I kept expecting that to happen here. Sure, maybe the EVA destroys it in the end, but through some effort or sudden genius plan, I'd expect to see the Bolo comply with at least the spirit of completing the engagment, since that, too, is a Bolo strength. NewChaos is pretty goddamn arrogant, especially about their EVAs, and I think it'd be a lovely lesson for the young pilot to learn that even in an EVA there's still things out there that can bitchslap you. Giant organic robot versus a planetary siege tank? I don't mind if the robot wins, Bolos DO lose, but I'd like to see a Bolo cause a little more shock and awe.

Plus, the precog thing... yeah, precog is powerful, but there's being able to see what's going to happen next after the enemy has made the decision to do something, and there's being able to see into the future with absolute or almost absolute accuracy. A Bolo thinks and changes its decisions and tactics so fast that even a gifted precog should have trouble keeping up, and be able to only because of the unfortunate delay of servo motors swinging a turret around.

If you've got absolute accuracy, able to predict each change and revised decision and new decision even before they happen, then that smacks of determinism, where everything is already written and we're just following a script that some people can read ahead on. That rubs me the wrong way, personally, and I'd think it'd run the God of Change the wrong way, too.

Anyway, I certainly doubt anyone is going to get too much up in arms over this, but I read this and I couldn't help but want to put my own thoughts on what White Haven said.

Also, just wanted to mention, I've got the pencils mostly done for Tzintchi, finally. Still needs cleanup. I'm a crappy artist but I've got a decent eye, and it's been amazingly hard to make a confident looking Shinji that still looks like Shinji, at least if you're a man with no talent. So much of his character is in the way he's always drawn slouched or curled up, with feminine, submissive lines, and trying to do an evil schemer look for him keeps making the result look like just some generic shorthaired guy, so you may have to take what you can get. I hope the coloring goes better.
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Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)

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To expand my earlier post now that I've slept and woken again, this chapter felt like it was conceived like so: 'I need to demonstrate how awesome my pet toys are. I'll find the nastiest possible thing and have it totally helpless, that'll show everyone how awesome it is!' Hell, we have Lars, who's a glorified radio killing gods one chapter, and then in the next we have a supremely powerful war machine getting taken out by a stick figure with a gun because...why? Is it NewChaos Always Wins? And it wasn't just taken out, it was made to look like a Matchbox car...so what next, a first-year infantry trooper nuts Darth Vader once NewChaos starts to play in SW?
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Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)

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White Haven wrote:To expand my earlier post now that I've slept and woken again, this chapter felt like it was conceived like so: 'I need to demonstrate how awesome my pet toys are. I'll find the nastiest possible thing and have it totally helpless, that'll show everyone how awesome it is!' Hell, we have Lars, who's a glorified radio killing gods one chapter, and then in the next we have a supremely powerful war machine getting taken out by a stick figure with a gun because...why? Is it NewChaos Always Wins? And it wasn't just taken out, it was made to look like a Matchbox car...so what next, a first-year infantry trooper nuts Darth Vader once NewChaos starts to play in SW?
Anyway...this, if possible, it will bring something more scarier than a BOLO.....

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Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)

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Oh dear, another mechawanker. A Bolo brain in anything that isn't a Bolo is less dangerous than, to be blunt, a Bolo.
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Re: The Open Door (megacrossover)

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Christ, another bunch of Bolowhiners. I thought they mostly hung out at SB. Bolos are horrifically inefficient(hint, weapon yields scaling linearly with aperture diameter for the terminally dense), with artillery shells that might be made out of styrofoam to pack a useful number of 240cm shells in a 32000 ton hull. Their awesomeness derives entirely from their personality and actions, because their numbers are just flat-out dumb. And the author captured a Bolo's personality and actions pretty well.

Minor nitpick: all three main hellbores should deliver 18 megatons, 6 megatons each.
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