Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
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Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Just something I've been wondering about. Let's say immediately post-Quantum of Solace, Bond is sent to infilterate a branch of the Quantum organization operating in Gotham. This takes place immediately after the events of The Dark Knight. During the course of the mission Bond assassinates someone/blows up a building/whatever. Batman heres about it, believes Bond is a mafia hit man, and goes after him. Bond, meanwhile, is ordered to take the Dark Knight down. Bond wins if he captures or kills Batman. Batman wins if he captures Bond. Again, the time period is immediately post-Quantum for Bond, and just after the end of The Dark Knight for Batman. Batman has access to all his equipment from Batman Begins or The Dark Knight minus that thing he was using to spy on the city with, and Bond has access to any equipment from Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
So, pitting the darker, grittier remake of each character against the other, who wins?
(Also, if this has been done before I'm sorry, but I did a search and found nothing).
So, pitting the darker, grittier remake of each character against the other, who wins?
(Also, if this has been done before I'm sorry, but I did a search and found nothing).
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Batman. For all Casino and Quantum's grimdark, Bond there is still a mere mortal man. In Begins and TDK, while Batman is presented in a more realistic and serious way than in any of the previous movies, I think he's actually far more ridiculously awesome than any of the previous Bats in the movies - save for sky-surfing Batman from that most awesome movie Batman & Robin. For all the realisticalism of the new movies, Batman is still as ridiculous as ever - maybe even more so than his preceding incarnations.
In a straight fight, Batman wins. He's got armor, and he's got his ridiculous ninja skills, and while Bond beats people up in nitty gritty fights where he too is beaten and bloodied, Bats dispatches people with contemptuous ease.
In a straight fight, Batman wins. He's got armor, and he's got his ridiculous ninja skills, and while Bond beats people up in nitty gritty fights where he too is beaten and bloodied, Bats dispatches people with contemptuous ease.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
I think the thing that evens it out is that Bond can kill, and Bond will have a gun. Granted, Batman takes out goons with guns all the time, but they're usually not very good fighters. The Joker (who's hardly a master Ninja) plus a couple of dogs damn near kicked his ass during the final fight in The Dark Knight. Ras al Ghul lost in Begins because he was too stupid to use a fucking gun. Hell, Harvey Dent almost killed him (presumably just a poor shot, if he'd hit a gap in the armor...) Also, I think you are underrating Bond. His fighting style is not as skilled, precise, or sophisticate as Batman's. But he's pulled off some pretty crazy stunts in his time (the opening chases of both Quantum and Casino Royale come to mind).Shroom Man 777 wrote:Batman. For all Casino and Quantum's grimdark, Bond there is still a mere mortal man. In Begins and TDK, while Batman is presented in a more realistic and serious way than in any of the previous movies, I think he's actually far more ridiculously awesome than any of the previous Bats in the movies - save for sky-surfing Batman from that most awesome movie Batman & Robin. For all the realisticalism of the new movies, Batman is still as ridiculous as ever - maybe even more so than his preceding incarnations.
In a straight fight, Batman wins. He's got armor, and he's got his ridiculous ninja skills, and while Bond beats people up in nitty gritty fights where he too is beaten and bloodied, Bats dispatches people with contemptuous ease.
I agree that, combining the Ninja training with the armor and gadgets, Batman can take Bond in hand to hand. However, Bond is more than just some goon, and he only needs to get off one good shot.
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You realise the second Bond decides to capture Batman, MI6 and the CIA are getting called in. Hell, the second Bond and Batman tangle without a conclusive winner, the CIA + MI6 are getting called in.
Batman's good, but he's not that good. Unless he can deal with Bond quickly and cleanly on his first attempt, and then disappear from sight for a least 6 months, he's boned.
Short term, Batman might win the battle, but Bond wins the war.
Batman's good, but he's not that good. Unless he can deal with Bond quickly and cleanly on his first attempt, and then disappear from sight for a least 6 months, he's boned.
Short term, Batman might win the battle, but Bond wins the war.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Neither MI6 nor the CIA could legally run operations of this kind on American soil. This is not saying that they would not break the law, I'm just saying that they would be very constrained in any operation in Gotham, especially one centering on an high profile target like Batman.Solauren wrote:You realise the second Bond decides to capture Batman, MI6 and the CIA are getting called in. Hell, the second Bond and Batman tangle without a conclusive winner, the CIA + MI6 are getting called in.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
And, realistically, what can they do to Batman? Run sting operations? Wiretap some dudes?
In terms of surveillance, Batman can already run circles around them with his preposterous Bat-sonar. In terms of capabilities, just looking at him hauling Lao out via Skyhook shows you what the guy's capable off. Hell, he's got more Bond gadgets than James Bond himself. Does that sound right to you?
Bond has been portrayed realistically. Batman, on the other hand, is ridiculous and preposterous despite the serious business presentation of the Nolan films. I really think he'd be more suited to taking on someone as equally preposterous as him, like Riddick or JOHN RAMBO or something.
In terms of surveillance, Batman can already run circles around them with his preposterous Bat-sonar. In terms of capabilities, just looking at him hauling Lao out via Skyhook shows you what the guy's capable off. Hell, he's got more Bond gadgets than James Bond himself. Does that sound right to you?
Batman deals with heavily armed criminals, not just thugs but organized crime guys and assassins (some of those League of Shadows ninjas were carrying firearms), and beats them up with his fists all the time and has constantly avoided getting hit by bullets.Romuloid Republic wrote: I agree that, combining the Ninja training with the armor and gadgets, Batman can take Bond in hand to hand. However, Bond is more than just some goon, and he only needs to get off one good shot.
Bond has been portrayed realistically. Batman, on the other hand, is ridiculous and preposterous despite the serious business presentation of the Nolan films. I really think he'd be more suited to taking on someone as equally preposterous as him, like Riddick or JOHN RAMBO or something.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Because neither organization took any interest in batman after the events of The Dark Knight?? If according to this scenario they are in the same universe, and they didn't then that either decreases their competence/intelligence gathering ability, or it increases Batman's stealthiness.You realise the second Bond decides to capture Batman, MI6 and the CIA are getting called in. Hell, the second Bond and Batman tangle without a conclusive winner, the CIA + MI6 are getting called in.
As ruggedly as he is portrayed in quantum of solace and casino royale, Bond is still not a brawler, whereas batman can be. he could TRY shooting Batman with the gun, but batman will just disappeare temporarily and disarm him from the shadows. When it comes down to hand to hand Bond is completely fucked.
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Roughly pat. Batman is strange sort of superhero. Heis human - has no powers, he just goes to gym alot. That is the same as Bond.
Both ruthless and capable fighters, Bond is more into improvisation, Batman often relies on prepared plan and technical gimmick - which Bond does not hesitate to use if he has oportunity either.
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Both ruthless and capable fighters, Bond is more into improvisation, Batman often relies on prepared plan and technical gimmick - which Bond does not hesitate to use if he has oportunity either.
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whaaaaaa? You interpret batman having the apropriate tool for the job as "relying on a plan" and not just being a well prepared problem solver?hawkwind wrote:Roughly pat. Batman is strange sort of superhero. Heis human - has no powers, he just goes to gym alot. That is the same as Bond.
Both ruthless and capable fighters, Bond is more into improvisation, Batman often relies on prepared plan and technical gimmick - which Bond does not hesitate to use if he has oportunity either.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
If you're refering to the thing he was using to spy on the whole city at the end of The Dark Knight, I specifically stated in the OP that he doesn't get it.Shroom Man 777 wrote:And, realistically, what can they do to Batman? Run sting operations? Wiretap some dudes?
In terms of surveillance, Batman can already run circles around them with his preposterous Bat-sonar. In terms of capabilities, just looking at him hauling Lao out via Skyhook shows you what the guy's capable off. Hell, he's got more Bond gadgets than James Bond himself. Does that sound right to you?
Batman deals with heavily armed criminals, not just thugs but organized crime guys and assassins (some of those League of Shadows ninjas were carrying firearms), and beats them up with his fists all the time and has constantly avoided getting hit by bullets.[/quote]Romulan Republic wrote: I agree that, combining the Ninja training with the armor and gadgets, Batman can take Bond in hand to hand. However, Bond is more than just some goon, and he only needs to get off one good shot.
Did any of the League of Shadows ninjas actually try to use firearms against him? I just remember a lot of melee fighting. And for that matter, how do you rationalize the Joker almost beating him in hand to hand?
If Bond is "realistic", then he's at the pinicle of realistic abillity. I'm thinking of the opening chases from Casino and Quantum, which had quite a high level of wank for a "realistic" film.Bond has been portrayed realistically. Batman, on the other hand, is ridiculous and preposterous despite the serious business presentation of the Nolan films. I really think he'd be more suited to taking on someone as equally preposterous as him, like Riddick or JOHN RAMBO or something.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Don't be daft, he had two rottweilers set on him. His feat in dispatching two huge, vicious dogs with nothing but protective armor and his own hands was considerable, not to say basically impossible. While he was disoriented and momentarily exhausted, the Joker came up and beat on him with a pipe. You know what James Bond would have done in the same situation? He'd have got his throat torn out by a vicious dog.The Romulan Republic wrote:Did any of the League of Shadows ninjas actually try to use firearms against him? I just remember a lot of melee fighting. And for that matter, how do you rationalize the Joker almost beating him in hand to hand?
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Well, the best solution to problem is one simpliest, not the one which uses the most advanced technology availble. Batman obviously likes his toys. "Apropriate tool for the job" - in his case would be 9 mm pistol, which he hapilly discards in favor of toys which do the job - barelly. Also batman likes to play cop and has scrupules, which is something I have yet to see on modern Daniel Craig Bond.Themightytom wrote:whaaaaaa? You interpret batman having the apropriate tool for the job as "relying on a plan" and not just being a well prepared problem solver?hawkwind wrote:Roughly pat. Batman is strange sort of superhero. Heis human - has no powers, he just goes to gym alot. That is the same as Bond.
Both ruthless and capable fighters, Bond is more into improvisation, Batman often relies on prepared plan and technical gimmick - which Bond does not hesitate to use if he has oportunity either.
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I mean - Batman is a vigilante, Bond is exterminator. Bond solution of Joker problem will be very short and it would involve HK MP5 and lots of ammo.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Fair point about the dogs, but even with the dogs out of the way, the Joker seemed to be doing pretty well.Pablo Sanchez wrote:Don't be daft, he had two rottweilers set on him. His feat in dispatching two huge, vicious dogs with nothing but protective armor and his own hands was considerable, not to say basically impossible. While he was disoriented and momentarily exhausted, the Joker came up and beat on him with a pipe. You know what James Bond would have done in the same situation? He'd have got his throat torn out by a vicious dog.The Romulan Republic wrote:Did any of the League of Shadows ninjas actually try to use firearms against him? I just remember a lot of melee fighting. And for that matter, how do you rationalize the Joker almost beating him in hand to hand?
However, I ultimately agree that Batman could take Bond down in hand to hand. The question is weather he could take Bond down with a gun, shooting to kill. So I ask, how often has a highly skilled opponent attempted to engage Batman with firearms?
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The Joker's initial success was due to his use of the two dogs and a malfunction in Batman's equipment. IIRC Batman couldn't see during part of that fight because of damage to his cellular phone sonar gear.
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Alright, conceded that under normal conditions, Batman would have kicked the Joker's sorry ass imediately.Crom wrote:The Joker's initial success was due to his use of the two dogs and a malfunction in Batman's equipment. IIRC Batman couldn't see during part of that fight because of damage to his cellular phone sonar gear.
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"Obviously" batman has a problem with guns because his parents were killed by one. I think the whole theme of Batman "becoming more than a man" flew right over your head hawk (I love my puns) If batman used a gun he would be significatnly less effective. he is one man against a huge criminal population. While the reality is that he can't be everywhere at once, he compensates for this by creating an environment of fear among criminals. He does this by using unconventional methods centered around superstition.hawkwind wrote:
Well, the best solution to problem is one simpliest, not the one which uses the most advanced technology availble. Batman obviously likes his toys. "Apropriate tool for the job" - in his case would be 9 mm pistol, which he hapilly discards in favor of toys which do the job - barelly. Also batman likes to play cop and has scrupules, which is something I have yet to see on modern Daniel Craig Bond.
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With this in mind, you make a pretty weak argument that batman is not a well prepared problem solver, because you completely misunderstand the problem he solves. While potentially ineffective against James Bond it is not innapropriate for the job, as Batman's "job" is to hunt cowardly and superstitious criminals, and bring them to justice. Regardless, if batman decides to engage Bond, he will adapt his strategy accordingly.
if you believe that a "Lack of scruples" gives bond an advantage I really want to hear you elaborate on how that works. Falconey didn't have scruples, Scarecrow didn't have scruples, Ra's Al Ghul didn't, and they didn't defeat batman. I suppose you imagine batman will beat up bond, and turn his back, allowing bond to grab a gun and shoot him???
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Its something patently absurd he devised within a week within the timespan of TDK. Despite its serious nitty gritty presentation, the Nolan films are still basically adhering to true Batman form by having Bats pull out his anti-shark spray at a convenient time and ruining everyone's shit. Against these patently absurd things, really, Bond has as much a chance of taking Bats as he does Tony Stark.The Romulan Republic wrote:If you're refering to the thing he was using to spy on the whole city at the end of The Dark Knight, I specifically stated in the OP that he doesn't get it.
Hell, since Stark is a womanizing drunkard, Bond might actually be able to take him down easier than someone as preposterous as Batman.
Nolan's Batman is just as absurd and as preposterous as Burton's Batman (Batman, Batman Returns) or even Joel Schumacher's Batman (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin).
The Joker's no slouch in hand to hand, he murdered a mob goon in less than a second with nothing but his hands and a pencil. When he got off Gamble's pool table, he was able to knife two of his goons before sticking his switchblade into the man's mouth. In the precinct he was able to overpower a trained police officer and subdue him with a shard of broken glass after he had his shit ruined by Batman going Guantanamo on him.Did any of the League of Shadows ninjas actually try to use firearms against him? I just remember a lot of melee fighting. And for that matter, how do you rationalize the Joker almost beating him in hand to hand?
Plus, by the time Batman took on the Joker, he was probably rather tired from having to neutralize an entire building's worth of hostage takers and SWAT teams before any of them could've fired off a single shot.
If in the end of Quantum, Dominic Greene had a bunch of pitbulls with him or something, the fight would've gone rather differently as well.
In terms of wank, those are just pre-cum compared to the full Bat-bukkake of wank-splooge from the Bat movies.If Bond is "realistic", then he's at the pinicle of realistic abillity. I'm thinking of the opening chases from Casino and Quantum, which had quite a high level of wank for a "realistic" film.
I take it back, man. The Nolan movies are far more preposterous than either the Burton of Schumacher films. But the presentation makes the patent absurdity, uh, "believable". And also very awesome.
Do you think in all the time Batman has been ruining the crap out of an organized crime syndicate that has been strong enough to cow down the government and law enforcement agencies of one of the biggest cities in the world, that he hasn't encountered a single proficient gunman in his career of beating criminal asses and ruining their shit? More than that, he's taken on everything from ninjas to SWAT teams, and he still came out on top.However, I ultimately agree that Batman could take Bond down in hand to hand. The question is weather he could take Bond down with a gun, shooting to kill. So I ask, how often has a highly skilled opponent attempted to engage Batman with firearms?
If we're counting the Gotham Knight series of animated shorts released to tie in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as a kind of "Bat-Animatrix", Batman was able to defeat the assassin Deadshot - who's kind of like Bullseye, but with sniper rifles and wrist-machineguns.
Of course, that short involve Batman saving Commissioner Gordon from sniper fire by punching the incoming bullet away, so...
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Fair enough. I'll concede that that device was pure wank. However, I would ask weather you have anything to back up "within a week."Shroom Man 777 wrote:Its something patently absurd he devised within a week within the timespan of TDK. Despite its serious nitty gritty presentation, the Nolan films are still basically adhering to true Batman form by having Bats pull out his anti-shark spray at a convenient time and ruining everyone's shit. Against these patently absurd things, really, Bond has as much a chance of taking Bats as he does Tony Stark.
I won't comment one way or another on this, except to say that I'm guessing you'll get flamed for this.Nolan's Batman is just as absurd and as preposterous as Burton's Batman (Batman, Batman Returns) or even Joel Schumacher's Batman (Batman Forever, Batman & Robin).
Looking back, you're correct. The Joker is definitely a decent hand to hand fighter. However, he strikes me as being a good fighter in much the way Bond is (dirty brawler, as opposed to precise martial artist).The Joker's no slouch in hand to hand, he murdered a mob goon in less than a second with nothing but his hands and a pencil. When he got off Gamble's pool table, he was able to knife two of his goons before sticking his switchblade into the man's mouth. In the precinct he was able to overpower a trained police officer and subdue him with a shard of broken glass after he had his shit ruined by Batman going Guantanamo on him.
Conceded. One of my complaints with The Dark Knight is that the hostage sequence went over the top and damaged suspension of disbelief in a number of ways.Plus, by the time Batman took on the Joker, he was probably rather tired from having to neutralize an entire building's worth of hostage takers and SWAT teams before any of them could've fired off a single shot.
Yeah, and come to think of it, Bond didn't do that well against Greene as it was.If in the end of Quantum, Dominic Greene had a bunch of pitbulls with him or something, the fight would've gone rather differently as well.
We never saw him take on a proficient mob gunman so far as I am aware, but the SWAT fight definitely counts. Conceded.Do you think in all the time Batman has been ruining the crap out of an organized crime syndicate that has been strong enough to cow down the government and law enforcement agencies of one of the biggest cities in the world, that he hasn't encountered a single proficient gunman in his career of beating criminal asses and ruining their shit? More than that, he's taken on everything from ninjas to SWAT teams, and he still came out on top.
I don't know about the shorts, or what their canon status is.If we're counting the Gotham Knight series of animated shorts released to tie in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as a kind of "Bat-Animatrix", Batman was able to defeat the assassin Deadshot - who's kind of like Bullseye, but with sniper rifles and wrist-machineguns.
I don't see that fitting in the Nolan continuity. In Begins, Fox told him that his suit would stop "anything but a strait shot." Then in The Dark Knight, he tells Batman that his new suite will be more vulnerable to knives and gunfire.Of course, that short involve Batman saving Commissioner Gordon from sniper fire by punching the incoming bullet away, so...
In The Dark Knight, Batman is an extremely skilled martial artist with top of the line equipment. He is not Superman.
I don't know, you're probably right about Batman vs Bond. The only way Bond would have much of a chance is if he took Batman by suprise and blew his head off from a distance or something. However, that requires that he find Batman before Batman finds him, or finds a way to draw him into an ambush. However, Batman's identity is still a secret, and he's on Batman's home turf. The only way he has much of a chance is if he calls in a lot of support from M16 and/or the CIA. But I'm not sure that's entirely fair.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Bond can utilize any firearms from sniper rifles to RPGs were he so willing to kill Batman. Unless the fight is in close quarters, Bond will kill Batman from afar and that would be it.
The "wank" is not important when we are talking about firearms with substantial power. Urban environment is, and the ability to detect your foe before he detects you will decide who wins.
If we're talking about Batman and Bond engaging each other in "spherical vacuum" - say, a grassy plain 10x10 km wide with each put 10 km away from the other, and a full arsenal of hand weapons to boot laid down right next to them on the grass, Bond would easily win since firearms rule the field... but since the fight has some sort of urban search-and-destroy scenario, it's not as clear cut.
The "wank" is not important when we are talking about firearms with substantial power. Urban environment is, and the ability to detect your foe before he detects you will decide who wins.
If we're talking about Batman and Bond engaging each other in "spherical vacuum" - say, a grassy plain 10x10 km wide with each put 10 km away from the other, and a full arsenal of hand weapons to boot laid down right next to them on the grass, Bond would easily win since firearms rule the field... but since the fight has some sort of urban search-and-destroy scenario, it's not as clear cut.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
A month or a couple of weeks then. The movie was very kinetic, so while a lot seemed to happen, it didn't seem too long. Even though the sequence of events would've taken some time.The Romulan Republic wrote:Fair enough. I'll concede that that device was pure wank. However, I would ask weather you have anything to back up "within a week."
Comparing Nolan's movies to Batman & Robin is not a bad thing since Batman & robin is one of my favorite movies.I won't comment one way or another on this, except to say that I'm guessing you'll get flamed for this.
Besides, it's a testament to Nolan's work that he presented TDK and Batman in such an awesome way that the absurdity was acceptable as awesomeness.
Yeah. But I don't think he's much of a brawler, either. He doesn't brawl, he capitalizes on one hit and stuff. He's clean in a very dirty, very underhanded, and very lethal kind of way.Looking back, you're correct. The Joker is definitely a decent hand to hand fighter. However, he strikes me as being a good fighter in much the way Bond is (dirty brawler, as opposed to precise martial artist).
Eh, microwaves, sonars, taking down hostage takers and SWAT goons, bat nipples, freeze rays, subhuman penguin-man mutants, Uma Thurman, it's all ridiculous but all totally awesome in my book.Conceded. One of my complaints with The Dark Knight is that the hostage sequence went over the top and damaged suspension of disbelief in a number of ways.
But everything was exploding as well, and Greene was a shrieking homicidal maniac with an axe!Yeah, and come to think of it, Bond didn't do that well against Greene as it was.
Those Hong Kong Chinese Yakuza guys were pretty alright. But the point is, we never get to see how proficient gunmen those mobsters are because they get their shit ruined before they can pull out a shot.We never saw him take on a proficient mob gunman so far as I am aware, but the SWAT fight definitely counts. Conceded.
They're direct-to-DVD and as part of tie-in material to TDK.I don't know about the shorts, or what their canon status is.
He deflects it with his gauntlet or something. But... the Gotham Knights shorts also had him testing some kind of bullet-deflecting forcefield, so I guess these shorts are totally not relevant to the discussion at hand.I don't see that fitting in the Nolan continuity. In Begins, Fox told him that his suit would stop "anything but a strait shot." Then in The Dark Knight, he tells Batman that his new suite will be more vulnerable to knives and gunfire.
He's also absurdly smart or something.In The Dark Knight, Batman is an extremely skilled martial artist with top of the line equipment. He is not Superman.
It'd be better if the two of them, Bond and Bruce, went to a gentleman's club and had a jolly old fashioned swordfight like in that awesome movie Die Another Day.I don't know, you're probably right about Batman vs Bond. The only way Bond would have much of a chance is if he took Batman by suprise and blew his head off from a distance or something. However, that requires that he find Batman before Batman finds him, or finds a way to draw him into an ambush. However, Batman's identity is still a secret, and he's on Batman's home turf. The only way he has much of a chance is if he calls in a lot of support from M16 and/or the CIA. But I'm not sure that's entirely fair.
Besides, Craig Bond doesn't seem like the type of person who does intricate schemes. Judging by Casino and Quantum, he just barrels his way through things and ruins the shit out of anyone and everyone in his way. He's a blunt instrument. If he beats Batman, I think it'll work only if he waltzes into a Wayne Enterprises meeting and pistol whips Bruce Wayne, punches Lucius Fox in the face, and hauls Wayne's ass away. Cause that's, like, totally how he ruins the shit out of people.
The thing is, Craig Bond isn't patently ridiculous like Batman - and Nolan's Batman is way more ridiculous than the previous movie Batmangs. Craig Bond isn't even as ridiculous as Bourne.
I'd love to see a carchase between Bourne and Batman, the Mini-Cooper versus the Goddamn Batmobile.
But the thing is, Batman totally doesn't come in using the traditional vectors of approach. It'll be goddamn hard to just camp out and wait for him to come in sight and pop him with a sniper rifle or an RPG. Conventional killing tactics will be hard for a guy who comes in through a giant vent.Stas wrote:Bond can utilize any firearms from sniper rifles to RPGs were he so willing to kill Batman. Unless the fight is in close quarters, Bond will kill Batman from afar and that would be it.
Batman's mode of operations is unconventional, no one knows how he does things, so before any attack can be made, Bond or anyone out to get him must have to observe him for some time. Afterwards, after they've figured Batman out, they can possibly just snipe him while he's gliding in the air, or trace the Batmobile and stick an IED along its preferred travel routes.
But there's no guarantee that Batman won't find them while they're watching him, and if he does, then their shit's ruined as well.
Their best bet would be to stage some criminal activity, wait for Batman to arrive, and then blow him away. But heavy ordnance isn't Bond's MO, and with the Batmobile, Batman's got him outgunned. The guy brings a foldable grenade-launcher-like thing around!
The Batmobile can make things explode. As for detecting foes before he detects you, and staying undetected, well... Bats may have a slight advantage over that kind of stuff.The "wank" is not important when we are talking about firearms with substantial power. Urban environment is, and the ability to detect your foe before he detects you will decide who wins.
The situation's unfair since any "conventional" fight in Gotham between Bond and Batman plays entirely in Batman's favor. The environment, the resources, even the actual engagement will favor him completely.If we're talking about Batman and Bond engaging each other in "spherical vacuum" - say, a grassy plain 10x10 km wide with each put 10 km away from the other, and a full arsenal of hand weapons to boot laid down right next to them on the grass, Bond would easily win since firearms rule the field... but since the fight has some sort of urban search-and-destroy scenario, it's not as clear cut.
Bond can win if he bypasses all of that and plays dirty by punching Bruce Wayne in the face, in front of horrified onlookers and whores and sycophantic Wayne Enterprises employees, and hauls him to some MI6 secret prison for some quality Bat-time while Felix goes around and confiscates the entire Batcave or Batlair or something.
But if you're wanting some epic final confrontation, then Batman's just gonna string Bond up.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
I'd like to point out that a lot of the brawls Bond gets into later in CR and QoS are the result of him improvising his way through a situation where he's heavily outnumbered, utterly lacking in the backup department, and behind the bad guys in terms of planning. That doesn't really apply here, and in those situations where Bond has the chance to properly prepare a takedown, the result is usually people getting shot with little to no warning (the rogue section chief in the CR intro; Mr. White getting bushwhacked outside his mansion).
Of course Bond doesn't have a lead on Batman. Batman also does have an advantage in gadgets, and is probably the better hand-to-hand fighter... I think who wins in this scenario ultimately boils down to who gets the drop on who first.
Of course Bond doesn't have a lead on Batman. Batman also does have an advantage in gadgets, and is probably the better hand-to-hand fighter... I think who wins in this scenario ultimately boils down to who gets the drop on who first.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
I'm inclined to agree that it comes down to who gets the drop on whom. However, I now see that I potentially gave Batman quite an edge by setting the fight in Gotham, thus giving him a familiarity with the terrain. So, how would it affect things if the fight took place in a "neutral" city?SiegeTank wrote:Of course Bond doesn't have a lead on Batman. Batman also does have an advantage in gadgets, and is probably the better hand-to-hand fighter... I think who wins in this scenario ultimately boils down to who gets the drop on who first.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
Depends, really. James Bond charges into situations and, as Siege says, improvises his way through things to ruin people's shit and comes out battered, bruised, exhausted, but victorious and ready to ruin more people's shit. That shouldn't be discounted. But still, he's careless. Even M points this out.
On the other hand, Batman goes into a situation fully prepared for all sorts of contingencies and dispatches all sorts of people with contemptuous ease due to his plans and his goddamn prep-time.
On the other hand, Batman goes into a situation fully prepared for all sorts of contingencies and dispatches all sorts of people with contemptuous ease due to his plans and his goddamn prep-time.
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Re: Batman (Dark Knight) vs Bond (Quantum of Solace).
The thing is, he can do his prep thing only when he knows where his target actually is-- like for example he knew Lau was holed up in that big office tower of his, so he could devise a way to extract him through the proper appliance of judicious gadgetry. In those situations where Batman has to react (as opposed to act) his MO isn't noticably different from Bond's: for example when dealing with the hostage situation in the officebuilding near the end of TDK Batman's plan boiled down to "storm in and improvise". Of course Batman is good at improvising... But then again, so is Bond.Shroom Man 777 wrote:On the other hand, Batman goes into a situation fully prepared for all sorts of contingencies and dispatches all sorts of people with contemptuous ease due to his plans and his goddamn prep-time.
Now, in Gotham I could see Bond provoking Batman into showing himself, but I'm not sure if that'll work in any other city. In fact, I'm not sure how the two are ever going to run into each other outside of Gotham. How does Batman know where Bond is (I assume our secret agent man is not going to check into a hotel under his own name), and how does Bond know where (or who) Batman is? Neither really have a reason to reveal themselves. So unless I'm missing something, it still comes down to who gets the drop on who first, which could go either way depending on circumstances.
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