Thrawn vs Kobayashi Maru

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-03 11:34pm

Given his talent of analyzing obstacles and turn them into opportunities, I'd dare say that he would wait until the Klingons arrived, then blow up the KM himself for deliberate violation of their treaty and offer a fake apology on behalf of the Federation, with a promise to increase patrols to ensure no unauthorized ship crosses the Neutral Zone again (veiled threat).

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-04 09:15am

Aya wrote:I can imagine the look on everyones faces if Thrawn flawlessly destroys all the battlecruisers that come at him.

According to sources here if you kill the 3 Battle cruisers more will arrive in their place.

Ted C · Post by **Ted C** » 2003-02-04 09:38am

Darth Wong wrote: Thrawn would take the test and not give a shit how well he does. He would simply be pleased to get top-quality intelligence on the bridge layout, command structure, and general operating procedures of a Federation starship. The longer he could drag out the simulation, the happier he'd be. The fact that he "loses" would be of no importance to him whatsoever, since he would turn this knowledge into yet another lever, all in good time.

I suspect that discovering the fact that such a test exists would tell Thrawn just about everything he needed to know about the Federation.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-04 12:29pm

Darth Pounder wrote:
Aya wrote:I can imagine the look on everyones faces if Thrawn flawlessly destroys all the battlecruisers that come at him.
According to sources here if you kill the 3 Battle cruisers more will arrive in their place.

What I meant was that he would destroy all incoming ships.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-04 04:14pm

Wouldn't that overload the sim? There's only so many ships that a program can simulate, you know.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-02-04 04:18pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Wouldn't that overload the sim? There's only so many ships that a program can simulate, you know.

Maybe, maybe not. Ships can be taken out of the sim every time they are destroyed, freeing up space for more.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-04 05:22pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Wouldn't that overload the sim? There's only so many ships that a program can simulate, you know.

The simulator isn't exactly running on windows or limited by a graphic card or RAM.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-04 05:40pm

Aya wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:
Aya wrote:I can imagine the look on everyones faces if Thrawn flawlessly destroys all the battlecruisers that come at him.
According to sources here if you kill the 3 Battle cruisers more will arrive in their place.
What I meant was that he would destroy all incoming ships.

I highly doubt Thrawn could defeat the bulk of the Klingon fleet.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-04 05:42pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Wouldn't that overload the sim? There's only so many ships that a program can simulate, you know.

We have flight sims today which can handle dozens of aircraft. You don't need to have them all loaded and being simulated at once though. Thawn would need at least a couple seconds to kill each one.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-04 05:47pm

honestly, you dont need anything to simulate a ship other then a screen that says what the ships doing. especially in space. you would simply have a number of red triangles on a screen with little blips representing missiles and bolt weapons and lines representing beam weapons. you dont need spiffy graphics for the shit.

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-02-04 05:52pm

In the game Starfleet Academy, you actually take this mission, youhave a few choices, manipulate the computer before you play, just stay on course and let the KM die, or go to the system. While at the system, your ship has been uberweakened, where one Klingon D7 has the ability to kill you. If you try to tractor the ship, tey show a cut scene of all three Klingon ships destroying the KM, if you try blowing the ships up,you'll find that your weapons are very weak now. But if you cheat, you have three options, weaken the Klingon ships, making them easier targets, but more and more just come on the way, you can make them do nothing but drift around, but they will still blow up the KM if you touch it with a tractor beam. And lastly,the third option, they will for once respond to hails, and let you go on your merry way.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-04 06:24pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:
Aya wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote: According to sources here if you kill the 3 Battle cruisers more will arrive in their place.
What I meant was that he would destroy all incoming ships.

I highly doubt Thrawn could defeat the bulk of the Klingon fleet.

Then, we go back to my original idea of having Thrawn set course to Q'o'Nos (or however you spell it) and BDZ that sucker.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-04 06:37pm

somehow i doubt that a Feddie ship can BDZ a planet..

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-04 06:41pm

kojikun wrote:somehow i doubt that a Feddie ship can BDZ a planet..

In that TOS episode where those two planets were fighting a computer war, Kirk ordered Scotty to use some general order, where the E-Nil would target all cities and open fire on them.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-04 06:51pm

and that translates into liquifying the entire surface down to a meter, how exactly?

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-04 06:53pm

Frankly I don't see the big deal with such a test for all of the potential COs. What does it take, 20 minutes? Its not like they're going to miss 6 months of real military training to undergo this simulation.

CNS Sarajevo · Post by **CNS Sarajevo** » 2003-02-04 06:59pm

Howedar wrote:Frankly I don't see the big deal with such a test for all of the potential COs. What does it take, 20 minutes? Its not like they're going to miss 6 months of real military training to undergo this simulation.

Good point. You'd think that by the time the cadet had made it this far through the academy, they'd have a good idea how their personality shapes up. Besides, they're not being dropped into command, they're starting out on the lower decks, right?

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-04 07:09pm

Howedar wrote:Frankly I don't see the big deal with such a test for all of the potential COs. What does it take, 20 minutes? Its not like they're going to miss 6 months of real military training to undergo this simulation.

Is there any reason not to have a group wedgie? Having a test designed to fail the student to show them what failure is like is assinine. People fail often enough without anyone's help.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-04 07:11pm

Aya wrote:
kojikun wrote:somehow i doubt that a Feddie ship can BDZ a planet..
In that TOS episode where those two planets were fighting a computer war, Kirk ordered Scotty to use some general order, where the E-Nil would target all cities and open fire on them.

Actually, he mentioned a number of point or small area targets. "Space ports, power plants" that sort of thing, really a counter technology attack, rather then the counter resources/population of a BDZ.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-04 07:39pm

Aya, are you like, some kind of moron or something?

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-04 07:43pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Aya, are you like, some kind of moron or something?

Oh yes, I made one mistake and so I must be a moron.

Humans do make mistakes afterall.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-04 07:46pm

That's not what I'm refering to.

Nevermind.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-05 07:41am

I wonder how modern ST captains like Picard would do it. Personaly i forsee a technobabble booster on the tractor beam that would enable the Ship to be towed to the right side of the boarder.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2003-02-05 09:03am

Thrawn takes the test, realises the no win situation and walks away saying bye-bye to the KM. Honestly why is this so hard to say? We know for a fact that Thrawn recognises no-win situations and that he isn't too proud to withdraw. What Thrawn wouldn't do is take the test 4 times (and conveniently cheat) in order to satisfy his ego, he isn't about ego. He is a hard, and sometimes ruthless military man, he knows that defeat is sometimes unavoidable, he takes it like a man.

Mind you this is based on the assumption that he doesn't know what the test is about to begin with, if he did, he wouldn't take it on princible;

"You would never say no to the Emperor."
"Actually on no less then four occasions I told the Emperor that I wouldn't waste his troops on an assault when I wouldn't be able to defeat the enemy."
"Only fools spoke that way to the Emperor, fools or those that wanted to die."
"The Emperor agreed. The first time I said it, he called me a traitor, and stripped me of my command, and handed the mission to someone else. After it's complete failure, he knew better than to ignore my recomendations"
(paraphrased from TLC, from a C'boath and Thrawn conversation)
And I agree with Durandal, that is one of my favourite scenes with Thrawn.

Jason von Evil · Post by **Jason von Evil** » 2003-02-05 11:30am

Crown wrote:Thrawn takes the test, realises the no win situation and walks away saying bye-bye to the KM. Honestly why is this so hard to say? We know for a fact that Thrawn recognises no-win situations and that he isn't too proud to withdraw. What Thrawn wouldn't do is take the test 4 times (and conveniently cheat) in order to satisfy his ego, he isn't about ego. He is a hard, and sometimes ruthless military man, he knows that defeat is sometimes unavoidable, he takes it like a man.

Mind you this is based on the assumption that he doesn't know what the test is about to begin with, if he did, he wouldn't take it on princible;

"You would never say no to the Emperor."
"Actually on no less then four occasions I told the Emperor that I wouldn't waste his troops on an assault when I wouldn't be able to defeat the enemy."
"Only fools spoke that way to the Emperor, fools or those that wanted to die."
"The Emperor agreed. The first time I said it, he called me a traitor, and stripped me of my command, and handed the mission to someone else. After it's complete failure, he knew better than to ignore my recomendations"
(paraphrased from TLC, from a C'boath and Thrawn conversation)
And I agree with Durandal, that is one of my favourite scenes with Thrawn.

Holy shit, Thrawn must have DS size balls to disagree with the Emperor like that.