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Just like with Transformers, the new Star Trek movie is getting a prequel comic. Again as with Transformers, it might not be an entirely accurate portrayal of the events in-universe, but it's an interesting glimpse at the story and perhaps the tone of the new film.

Trekmovie has a lengthy review; what interested me most were the reveals of the plot:
The comic starts simply enough, as see in the previously released 5-page preview. It is Stardate 64333.4 (eight years after Star Trek Nemesis), somewhere in the Romulan Empire. We’re aboard a small mining vessel, captained by a young loyal Romulan by the name of Nero. Smooth of brow, clean of visage, we soon learn in the subsequent pages that this young Romulan is not known to the Senate, but represents the Mining Guild there.

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"Countdown" takes us into what could be seen as a follow-up story to the Next Generation’s "Unification" two-parter, which established that eleven years before Nemesis (and nineteen years before the comic) Spock was on Romulus covertly trying to bring together the Romulans and the Vulcans. Now in the post-Nemesis era, Spock has finally become an official resident of Romulus, serving as Federation Ambassador to the Empire, and sitting in on their Senate meetings. He has recently discovered some disturbing information about the Hobus star which seems moving toward becoming a massive supernova. In a scene very akin to Jor El’s warnings in Superman The Movie, the scientists of Romulus shoot down Spock’s theory, especially when Spock reveals that he may have a plan, but it involves taking a rare and valuable Romulan mineral to, of all places, Vulcan. Understandably, this does not go over well, but Nero steps up to support Spock’s claims, having seen an explosion at the star firsthand. This leads to the start of what looks to be a friendship between the two, and an offer that Spock finds impossible to refuse. Hey, wait a minute — isn’t Nero supposed to be the villain in the Star Trek movie? In a classic Orci/Kurtzman twist, there appears much more than meets the eye for this Nero.

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Nero’s actions throughout the story presented in Countdown are not at all what we might expect. Here he is sympathetic, and shows all the characteristics of a classic Trek hero
This is one of those things that can be either really good or really bad. On the upside, the movie's alternate universe does tie directly into the 'regular' Trekverse, and we might finally get the decent Romulan story that Nemesis wasn't (for one thing, the "Unification" arc is finally followed up on, in a plausible way); on the other, from the (limited) recap it does look like the whole exploding-star subplot is a bit light and very much a cliché. Then again, the summary suggests this is just the setup for a plot device in the movie.

Thoughts? Keeping in mind that these comics are tie-ins and (AFAIK) not written by the movie's writer.
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I'm moderately interested in this, partially because, as you point out, it continues the threads of "Unification" and partly because...
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...if the spoilers are correct about Nero's actions and impact on the time-line, then this will be our last glimpse of not just the TNG era, but also of the original time-line.
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If JME2 is correct, I will be very happy. The series is good in concept, but has become increasingly bad at execution and vision. If this means the entire series is getting rebooted, then I say wonderful.
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I don't get this. Is the new movie simply an alternate timeline, or is it retroactively deleting the existing timeline from continuity? Because I would not be cool with that. Their was some good stuff in their along with the garbage.
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Well one good thing about a complete reboot of the timeline. A possibility of no Janeway and Voyager.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I don't get this. Is the new movie simply an alternate timeline, or is it retroactively deleting the existing timeline from continuity? Because I would not be cool with that. Their was some good stuff in their along with the garbage.
Oh no! These TNG DVDs... they're fading from existence... someone must have... reset the continuity! noooooooo



I don't really care about them establishing a new continuity. It's not like there were a lot of loose ends dangling from the old continuity that would both be interesting to see revisited, and would actually be revisited in an interesting fashion by the writers. And seriously, if you still have questions about something (did the Dominion ever fight the Borg? what if Bashir and Dax had a kid?), just Choose Your Own Adventure(tm) since at this point (even without the reboot) anything you come up with will be as valid as anything... the original writers probably either didn't have an answer, or didn't think that answer was important, or even don't remember the material well enough to have an opinion either way any more. To me, the TNG+ story is over anyway.

Even the aesthetics that I liked most, the movie-era ships and uniforms and props, have by this time certainly been condemned as obsolete by anyone who would be paid money to produce Star Trek material at this point.
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I don't think you understand my concern. I'm not worried so much about an end to writing set in the TNG timeline, I'm concerned about that whole timeline (including the TOS parts of it) being declared non-canon.
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I don't think that is going to happen, the writers have said the events of the original timeline, which they themselves have referred back to as 'the prime timeline' have to remain in place in order for the events of the timeline established in this movie to take place. In turn, this comic while not written panel for panel by the writers of the movie, does follow a storyline they themselves outlined for it.
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The Romulan Republic wrote:I don't think you understand my concern. I'm not worried so much about an end to writing set in the TNG timeline, I'm concerned about that whole timeline (including the TOS parts of it) being declared non-canon.
So what? Comics never were canon, books aren't canon, games aren't canon, yet people still enjoy them and new ones are still being made. "Canon" is an abstract concept used by people who are trying to define a franchise for some other purpose - be it plot-writing or debating - but it has no control over what material you can enjoy or even what material gets produced; there will still be new TNG books that take the series as gospel.

Sit back, relax, and be comfortable with choosing what entertainment you want to spend your time and money on regardless of what an exec or a nerd on the internet says. You'll feel a lot better.
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Rebooting the 'Trek' timeline will probably make the TNG-era events canon IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Considering how damn AU-happy the various 'Trek' writers are, we'll probably see (or at least read about) Picard, Sisko, and Janeway's adventures some time in the future.
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Sidewinder wrote:Rebooting the 'Trek' timeline will probably make the TNG-era events canon IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Considering how damn AU-happy the various 'Trek' writers are, we'll probably see (or at least read about) Picard, Sisko, and Janeway's adventures some time in the future.

There's totally going to be a novel where the crew of the new movie meets the 60's-era cast through a transporter malfunction or a quantum-waveform psycho-canary. And new Kirk will probably get his ass beat by Shatner-Kirk. :)
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Hmm, so far the timeline change leads to a different Enterprise. I don't suppose it erases the aliens encountered elsewhere in the galaxy. The Cardassians, the Borg.











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Sidewinder wrote:Rebooting the 'Trek' timeline will probably make the TNG-era events canon IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Considering how damn AU-happy the various 'Trek' writers are, we'll probably see (or at least read about) Picard, Sisko, and Janeway's adventures some time in the future.
Ok this is only my opinion but here it is:
Star Trek is going to use this to completely reboot their Technology. (ex: Warp travel will take you across the galaxy in hours, Phasers and Torps getting a massive boost in damage) If I am right then Picard story would change a little. But Sisko and Janeway's plots would disappear.
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Kythnos wrote:
Sidewinder wrote:Rebooting the 'Trek' timeline will probably make the TNG-era events canon IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE. Considering how damn AU-happy the various 'Trek' writers are, we'll probably see (or at least read about) Picard, Sisko, and Janeway's adventures some time in the future.
Ok this is only my opinion but here it is:
Star Trek is going to use this to completely reboot their Technology. (ex: Warp travel will take you across the galaxy in hours, Phasers and Torps getting a massive boost in damage) If I am right then Picard story would change a little. But Sisko and Janeway's plots would disappear.
I think most of us will agree good riddance to Janeway. However, if you're right about improving the tech, it could also generate more pro-Trek debaters for Star Trek vs Star Wars.:)

Either way, I'm starting to feel more optimistic about this movie being halfway decent.
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DesertFly wrote:There's totally going to be a novel where the crew of the new movie meets the 60's-era cast through a transporter malfunction or a quantum-waveform psycho-canary. And new Kirk will probably get his ass beat by Shatner-Kirk. :)
Considering William Shatner is 77-years-old (9 years older than Patrick Stewart!), we're more likely to see new Kirk in the old gold uniform kick the ass of new Kirk in the new black uniform.
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Sidewinder wrote:
DesertFly wrote:There's totally going to be a novel where the crew of the new movie meets the 60's-era cast through a transporter malfunction or a quantum-waveform psycho-canary. And new Kirk will probably get his ass beat by Shatner-Kirk. :)
Considering William Shatner is 77-years-old (9 years older than Patrick Stewart!), we're more likely to see new Kirk in the old gold uniform kick the ass of new Kirk in the new black uniform.
Not if its one of Shatner's Novels.
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The comic did actually lay the seeds for Nero's turn into villain when you consider it's mentioned that his loyalties are to his wife (Whom is to be played by Scottie Thompson, whom NCIS fans will recognize as Dr. Jean Benoit from Season 4 and a couple Season 5 episodes, the daughter of suave international arms dealer Rene "The Frog" Benoit, played by Armand Assante) and unborn child and to the Romulan Empire.

IOW, I suspect something will happen in this prequel story that will explain how Nero goes from being Spock's ally to wanting to undo the existance of James Kirk. I suspect that Spock and/or the Federation, in the guise of the newly-arrived Enterprise under Captain Data (B-4 I presume), will somehow cause the Hobus star to go supernova and devastate the Empire, cause the death of Nero's wife and unborn child (if so I figure the movie will show her in flashbacks, given the casting of the role), or otherwise hurt Nero or poke at his nationalist/racial pride in such a manner that he begins his time-travel scheme.
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Kythnos wrote:Star Trek is going to use this to completely reboot their Technology. (ex: Warp travel will take you across the galaxy in hours, Phasers and Torps getting a massive boost in damage) If I am right then Picard story would change a little. But Sisko and Janeway's plots would disappear.
Yes, I'm sure that the producers of a movie are going to care about how well the ships from their story stack up against the ships from someone else's story.
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Uraniun235 wrote:
Kythnos wrote:Star Trek is going to use this to completely reboot their Technology. (ex: Warp travel will take you across the galaxy in hours, Phasers and Torps getting a massive boost in damage) If I am right then Picard story would change a little. But Sisko and Janeway's plots would disappear.
Yes, I'm sure that the producers of a movie are going to care about how well the ships from their story stack up against the ships from someone else's story.
If they don't, it just shows they aren't in touch with the True Fans™.
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I've just read Countdown #1, and there's a few very interesting bits here.
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Federation members apparently are allowed pursue their own foreign policy, to some extent, as Vulcan has its own ambassador to Romulus alongside a Federation one.

Spock is now a legal resident of Romulus. The planet is shown like a hybrid of its portrayal in Unification and Nemesis, but with a lot of Ancient Rome in fashion and design. The Senate is now open to input from citizens.

The Remans are still active, and they're operating ships that are either Scimitar-type or something of the same design lineage. If they are Scimitars, they're either inferior subtypes or the Federation has gotten a powerboost, since a Sovereign poses a threat to three of them.

Starfleet has new uniforms and what looks like a new sort of floating-HUD-thing over the consoles. The Enterprise is now under the command of "captain Data", so I guess B-4's memory upload stuck.
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You know, the more I here about this movie the more I feel optimistic. It sounds like they might actually give a shit about continuity, though that's probably too much to hope for.;)
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You guys seem to be unaware of the stated position regarding continuity and this film.

This film takes place in an alternate "quantum reality," a la the fractured Enterprise-Ds depicted in the Worf-centric TNG episode "Parallels." Orci has talked at length about this. Ergo, the TNG-era timeline continues unmolested, while this new timeline is altered as depicted in the movie.
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I've just read the second issue. It's pretty neat; apart from Picard's weird career shift it's doing a good job of setting up the story and Nero's motivations. The cliffhanger in particular is a pretty blod move -
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Romulus pulls an Alderaan because the Vulcans refuse to share the technology that could have saved it.
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Bounty wrote:I've just read the second issue. It's pretty neat; apart from Picard's weird career shift it's doing a good job of setting up the story and Nero's motivations. The cliffhanger in particular is a pretty blod move -
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Romulus pulls an Alderaan because the Vulcans refuse to share the technology that could have saved it.
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Long story short -
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Nero's the captain of a huge mobile mining platform. During a drilling job he nearly gets vaped by a solar flare in the Hobus system. He goes back to Romulus where he finds ambassador Spock has reached the same conclusion he has: something funny is going on inside the Hobus star and it's only a matter of time before it explodes with enough force to threaten Romulus. He serves as a witness when Spock explains the situation to the Senate.

The Senate however is not interested, partly because their own scientists say Spock is being alarmist, partly because the only thing that can neutralize Hobus is an theoretical weapon called "red matter" which requires some very rare materials to construct; and only the Vulcans know how to successfully build it. Nero offers Spock his services to mine the materials themselves and smuggle them to Vulcan.

Meanwhile the Romulans realise Spock was right. They consider attacking Vulcan to take the red matter technology; pending a Senate vote the planetary evacuation procedures are started.

While mining Nero and Spock meet up with the Enterprise, which has been authorised to discretely escort Spock and Nero to Vulcan and then into Romulan territory to deliver the weapon. The Vulcan High Council however refuses to give the Romulans access to the red matter refinery technology, saying it can too easily be weaponized. Nero is furious and leaves Vulcan, telling Spock he will hold all Vulcans responsible if anything happens to Romulus, his wife, or his child. Spock convinces him to leave the red matter materials on Vulcan while he tries to convince the High Council to reconsider. The Federation sends a fleet to Romulus to assist in the evacuation, but by then Hobus has already exploded.

Nero arrives back in Romulan space just as the shockwave blows Romulus apart.
That's the bare facts, there's a lot of characterisation inbetween. If they don't change Nero around too much for the movie script he should be a pretty good villain.
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