nBSG Episode 4.13 “The Oath” (SPOILERS)

[CaptJodan]

Sorry, but I just don't buy the "hate you Cylons" rail from Lee of all people, taking the time of all times in the middle of a combat situation when they should both just shut the hell up (as Adama rightly pointed out).

This is the man that pardoned each and every one of them. Not only did he pardon them, he set up the deal to bring them along to Earth. To the place they had planned to settle for the rest of their lives. He was giving the Cylons equal keys to the castle, and had Earth turned out the way they had hoped it would, the Cylons would now have a major presence on their new homeworld. Lee set this all up. Before, when they led them right to their new home, there was no turning back if the Cylons screwed them. I can see a hell of a lot of people looking at the final 5 and having that opinion. Redwing, most of the rebels, the general populace, but not after all the political crap Lee did to make sure the Cylons could come along to their new home.

Does Lee hate Tigh? Sure. But he's not, or shouldn't be this stupid. And Tigh should have corrected him, but didn't. I felt it was more an oversight from the writers than anything else.

[Crown]

I support Gaeta.

Why?

Because the price to buy yourself off genocide charges should be slightly higher than a turbo charger and some fuel injectors? Not to mention Adama's naivety of this being a 'military decision', the legitimisation of the rebel Cylons is a political one, and frankly the rest of humanity has a right to decide on it. Or how about the fact that Gaeta is right? Adama is a tired old man who's affections for a tired old Cylon are clouding his judgement.

Oh, make no mistake, I'm not a fool enough to assume that the writers are giving Gaeta any hope of surviving this as a hero - what with him teaming up with 'Mr I fuck any toaster with tits' - but god damn they should! With the exception of Agathon and Athena, I wouldn't shed a tear if the rest of the Cylons and their human sympathisers were shown to the closest airlock.

[[R_H]]

Woah. This episode was awesome. I need to go back and watch the webisodes (especially the ones where they find Earth).

That was indeed a great hour of television. It even manage to make me not hate Starbuck's character for like a few minutes, which is damn impressive. As I predicted before, she is totally going to kick Gaeta's ass from here back to Caprica before this is over.

And I know I know that the Marines just threw a flashbang in there, but I like to imagine that the flash of light was actually Adama's mustache gloriously springing full grown from his upper lip to save the day once more.

I don't understand why they already threw the flashbang in, if they were still in the midst of (just got started) prying open the airlock.

[tezunegari]

Because the price to buy yourself off genocide charges should be slightly higher than a turbo charger and some fuel injectors? Not to mention Adama's naivety of this being a 'military decision', the legitimisation of the rebel Cylons is a political one, and frankly the rest of humanity has a right to decide on it. Or how about the fact that Gaeta is right? Adama is a tired old man who's affections for a tired old Cylon are clouding his judgement.
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I wouldn't shed a tear if the rest of the Cylons and their human sympathisers were shown to the closest airlock.

I can't follow that logic...
To me the rebel cylon basestar is just one of many basestars with SOLDIERS aboard.
Did they have a hand in destroying the Colonies? YES.
Did they follow orders? I assume that.

Lets take a look at the other side of the cubit:
Pegasus' crew committed war crimes by killing civilian families of people who did't want to join colonial military aboard the Pegasus.
Pegasus' crew abandoned a small fleet of defenseless civilian ships.

Some members of the Pegasus crew participated - AND WHERE FRAKING PROUD IF IT - in the gang rape of a cylon POW and the attempt of a gang rape on another, one who we all know has helped Galactica and later was allowed to join colonial military.
I don't know if they have anything resembling the Geneva contract but there have to be rules concerning POWs in the Colonies.

So. If "turbo chargers and fuel injectors" plus another warship to protect the fleet are not enough for foot soldiers who followed orders to be at least tolerated in the fleet, why are the pegasus war criminals best buddies now?

What you are saying, or what i read in it is, that they should exterminate former members of the opposing sides military - AFTER THEY HELPED TO ACHIEVE A VITAL VICTORY OVER THAT MILITARY AT HIGH COSTS TO THEMSELVES...

The "turbo charger and fuel injectors" as you put it would increase the likelihood of survival. I don't say that the cylons are redeemed by giving them, BUT IT WOULD BE A BEGINNING.

I do agree on the fact that Adama and Roslin are partially at fault for the situation because Adama kept things to close to himself and Roslin just didn't care as her nearly fanatical believe in finding a refuge on earth was turned to nuclear molten rock.

[Crown]

I can't follow that logic...
To me the rebel cylon basestar is just one of many basestars with SOLDIERS aboard.
Did they have a hand in destroying the Colonies? YES.
Did they follow orders? I assume that.

The 'just following orders' line was bullshit in Nuremberg and it's bullshit here. More to the point they weren't just following orders, they were planning and leading the missions to wipe out humanity! This is like Himmler and co seeking refuge from other Nazi's with what was left of the devastated European Jewish population at the end of WWII.

Lets take a look at the other side of the cubit:
Pegasus' crew committed war crimes by killing civilian families of people who did't want to join colonial military aboard the Pegasus.
Pegasus' crew abandoned a small fleet of defenseless civilian ships.

Some members of the Pegasus crew participated - AND WHERE FRAKING PROUD IF IT - in the gang rape of a cylon POW and the attempt of a gang rape on another, one who we all know has helped Galactica and later was allowed to join colonial military. I don't know if they have anything resembling the Geneva contract but there have to be rules concerning POWs in the Colonies.

And if I was ever making the point that it is A-O-K to do that stuff, you would have a point to make, as I'm not, this is nothing more than a Tu Quoque fallacy.

So. If "turbo chargers and fuel injectors" plus another warship to protect the fleet are not enough for foot soldiers who followed orders to be at least tolerated in the fleet, why are the pegasus war criminals best buddies now?

The skinjobs were not 'following orders' they were planing the missions.

What you are saying, or what i read in it is, that they should exterminate former members of the opposing sides military - AFTER THEY HELPED TO ACHIEVE A VITAL VICTORY OVER THAT MILITARY AT HIGH COSTS TO THEMSELVES...

Yes. Lets not put the rose tinted goggles on here, everything the rebels have done for the colonials benefited them, and every concession that the colonials have ceded to the rebels has been done at the end of a gun/nuke/blackmail.

The "turbo charger and fuel injectors" as you put it would increase the likelihood of survival. I don't say that the cylons are redeemed by giving them, BUT IT WOULD BE A BEGINNING.

Why the FUCK should I, or any of the rest of humanity, give two shits about redeeming the cylons?

I do agree on the fact that Adama and Roslin are partially at fault for the situation because Adama kept things to close to himself and Roslin just didn't care as her nearly fanatical believe in finding a refuge on earth was turned to nuclear molten rock.

The fish rots from the head. They have done a piss-poor job leading their people and have flat out failed to even gauge their reaction correctly. On their heads be it.

[Sarevok]

The survival of humanity is at stake. They can decide who is evil or not after the clock of doom has been reset. Right now the clock of doom says in a few months / years the fleet asphyxiates or starves to death as ships start to fail and supplies run out. By allying with the rebel Cylons humanity is three times more likely to find a habitable world before going extinct. If the fleet throws a fit right now and ends up dying a slow agonizing death in the cold, desolate stretch of inhospitable space the Cylons win without firing a shot.

[tezunegari]

The 'just following orders' line was bullshit in Nuremberg and it's bullshit here. More to the point they weren't just following orders, they were planning and leading the missions to wipe out humanity! This is like Himmler and co seeking refuge from other Nazi's with what was left of the devastated European Jewish population at the end of WWII.

I doubt the Nuremberg trials would apply here. None of the nazi tried in Nuremberg had oppenly defied their government, destroyed vital installations and assisted Allied Forces in their survival.

And if I was ever making the point that it is A-O-K to do that stuff, you would have a point to make, as I'm not, this is nothing more than a Tu Quoque fallacy.

I apologies if my statement appeared to be made against you personally.
What I tried to show was that both sides have war criminals (Pegasus' rapists and cylon skinjobs) yet only the cylons are treated with disdain.
Nowhere in the seasons have we seen a single sentence like "Oh yeah... frakkers from the Pegasus... think they are the same with humans?"

The skinjobs were not 'following orders' they were planing the missions.

Not all skinjobs are in high positions. There appears to be some sort of council of all seven normal models. Then there are pilots, technicians and whatever is necessary to keep their basestar running including the raiders and centurions.
I doubt that every skinjob has a say in their government - the raiders and centurions are seen as tools or even slaves (didn't they try to escape that fate when they rebelled against the colonials in the first war?).
In one episode it was said that one incarnation of a model makes the same decisions as the others of the same model.
But then Boomer sided with Cavil. Something even Cavil was surprised about. So there is the possibility of differing oppinion.

Yes. Lets not put the rose tinted goggles on here, everything the rebels have done for the colonials benefited them, and every concession that the colonials have ceded to the rebels has been done at the end of a gun/nuke/blackmail.

I will have to watch the episodes again to make a statement here.
But during the revelation of the final five the Six known as Natalie tried to negogiate with the colonials. Athena went psycho over a drawing made by Hera that show her with a lot of blonds and when Hera runs into Natalie Athena kills her. So there was at least one attempt at negogiating coming from the cylons. One that ironically was doomed by a cylon working for the colonials.

Why the FUCK should I, or any of the rest of humanity, give two shits about redeeming the cylons?

So, every nation that has committed war crimes, started a war of destruction should be ostracized from civilization and be cast into isolation forever? Then take a look at europe. Today germany is part of the european Union. It trades with other nations, it participates in military peacekeeping operations.

The fish rots from the head. They have done a piss-poor job leading their people and have flat out failed to even gauge their reaction correctly. On their heads be it.

Don't forget the political opportunist who started this. It appeared as if Zarek gave the order to jump away to the tylium ship.
He increased the discord in the fleet which he hoped would lead to a mutiny. He killed Laird in cold blood, he didn't even try to subdue him without lethal force.
Did Adama do a piss-poor job in reading his crew? Yes he did. But he also trusted Felix Gaeta, a man he had worked with for seven years.
Did Roslin abandon her presidential duties? Yes she did. She also had to deal with a severe depression due to all of her hopes being squashed and the return of her cancer. Both of them are not superhuman and can take everything in stride.

[Gil Hamilton]

I've got a question for the people who support the mutineers.

There aren't that many human beings left alive as it is. At this stage in the game, when there is barely enough to form a stable human population as it is should they end up settling on Earth or some other planet, is it really that justifiable to slaughter more human beings?

That's where the mutiny breaks down for me. Yeah, it's a damn bitter pill working with the Cylons. However, the ultimate priority of the Fleet is the survival of the human race, is it not? Murdering your way to controlling the Galactica doesn't serve that end, it goes against it. Zarek clearly doesn't give a shit about the human race, he kill everyone if he though being the last person alive automatically makes him the king. Gaeta is just as crazy as the Cylons at this point and seems to be doing everything he to provoke a shootout with the rebel Cylons, which he simply may not win (the stakes being the human race). I know he doesn't have much choice on allies, but seriously, putting Pegasus "I'm Gonna Rape Me Some Prisoners!" Goon in charge of the prisoners?

Even if this comes out without a shootout, they've provoked a fight that will kill dozens of human beings who will never live to breed and have children and perpetuate the human race once this shit ends. Assuming that the Fleet is in good enough shape to fight Cavil's faction, which it may not be after Zarek and Gaeta's coup ends. Humanity's an endangered species. A violent mutiny against Adama simply makes it one step closer to being an extinct one.

[Uraniun235]

With the exception of Agathon and Athena, I wouldn't shed a tear if the rest of the Cylons and their human sympathisers were shown to the closest airlock.

Frankly, humanity no longer has that luxury. Humanity's resources are critically low even without a civil war. The Galactica has never been fully crewed, and every time I heard gunfire ringing throughout the decks in this episode I wondered just how much closer they're coming to permanently losing the ability to effectively crew the ship. Eventually, someone with vital skills who hasn't yet trained their replacement could bite it, if they haven't already - Laird is one such example, he was an aerospace engineer, and now he's dead.

You talk about spacing all the human sympathizers; what about everyone willing to stand up for and support and defend the judgment of those sympathizers? Put simply, do you think humanity should extinguish itself - maybe not immediately, but perhaps in the long term - so that some people can feel righteous? Because I seriously think that's the ultimate result of Gaeta's twisted lust for a "reckoning".

[Skylon]

Frankly, humanity no longer has that luxury. Humanity's resources are critically low even without a civil war. The Galactica has never been fully crewed, and every time I heard gunfire ringing throughout the decks in this episode I wondered just how much closer they're coming to permanently losing the ability to effectively crew the ship. Eventually, someone with vital skills who hasn't yet trained their replacement could bite it, if they haven't already - Laird is one such example, he was an aerospace engineer, and now he's dead.
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I watched the ep with the Ron Moore commentary yesterday. During it he stated that he figured the mutiny was so effective because the ship is undermanned (to begin with and due to casualties). There are now certain large areas that simply have no Marines or anything guarding it...or to tell CiC that "nope...there is no fire down here".

Also, it looked to me like a good number of Gaeta's followers were pissed off civilians, who would have far less access to areas of the ship if it was fully manned.

[Crown]

I doubt the Nuremberg trials would apply here. None of the nazi tried in Nuremberg had oppenly defied their government, destroyed vital installations and assisted Allied Forces in their survival.

Analogies are meant to serve a point, not fulfill all the criteria down to the minutest detail. It stands.

I apologies if my statement appeared to be made against you personally.
What I tried to show was that both sides have war criminals (Pegasus' rapists and cylon skinjobs) yet only the cylons are treated with disdain.
Nowhere in the seasons have we seen a single sentence like "Oh yeah... frakkers from the Pegasus... think they are the same with humans?"

Yes there has. The Pegasus/Galactica hatred has been shown on show.

Not all skinjobs are in high positions. There appears to be some sort of council of all seven normal models. Then there are pilots, technicians and whatever is necessary to keep their basestar running including the raiders and centurions.
I doubt that every skinjob has a say in their government - the raiders and centurions are seen as tools or even slaves (didn't they try to escape that fate when they rebelled against the colonials in the first war?).
In one episode it was said that one incarnation of a model makes the same decisions as the others of the same model.
But then Boomer sided with Cavil. Something even Cavil was surprised about. So there is the possibility of differing oppinion.

What are you rambling on about? Caprica Six is there. Boomer is there. Leoben is there. D'anna is there. Not their models, but them.

I will have to watch the episodes again to make a statement here.
But during the revelation of the final five the Six known as Natalie tried to negogiate with the colonials. Athena went psycho over a drawing made by Hera that show her with a lot of blonds and when Hera runs into Natalie Athena kills her. So there was at least one attempt at negogiating coming from the cylons. One that ironically was doomed by a cylon working for the colonials.

You mean the negotiations that was going to end in a double cross from both sides? Dude, wake up. The Rebels held the President of the Colonies and the entire fleet hostage in order to secure their position.

So, every nation that has committed war crimes, started a war of destruction should be ostracized from civilization and be cast into isolation forever? Then take a look at europe. Today germany is part of the european Union. It trades with other nations, it participates in military peacekeeping operations.

Germany did that by making restitution. Not by blackmailing and wheeling and dealing their way to the respectable table. Not only that, but they willfully participated in purging their Nazi past, have the Rebels even done one thing close to resembling this? You do not buy redemption, you earn it. Athena has earned it a hundred times over, the rest of the rebels have done jack and shit.

Don't forget the political opportunist who started this. It appeared as if Zarek gave the order to jump away to the tylium ship.
He increased the discord in the fleet which he hoped would lead to a mutiny. He killed Laird in cold blood, he didn't even try to subdue him without lethal force.
Did Adama do a piss-poor job in reading his crew? Yes he did. But he also trusted Felix Gaeta, a man he had worked with for seven years.
Did Roslin abandon her presidential duties? Yes she did. She also had to deal with a severe depression due to all of her hopes being squashed and the return of her cancer. Both of them are not superhuman and can take everything in stride.

It's at times like these that I really wish to be a troll and post a giant /facepalm ASCII emote. Am I at any point in this thread saying Zarek is a glorious leader? No, so why should you try and excuse Adama's and Roslyn's maladministration by attacking Zarek?

[DrMckay]

My view on this is that Adama and Roslin are very out of touch with the common people (Formerly one of Adama's strengths.) They lost sight of it because of the necessity of the situation. Installing better FTL drives on the ships to go farther faster, and cannot understand why it bothers many people.

Moving farther faster is the best Strategic choice so they don't all die, but from a moral and legal standpoint, I think Gaeta, (and to a lesser extent Zarek,) are correct in this instance. I just think Gaeta is getting used for his idealism again. (He's not that naive, but he wants to do what he perceives to be the right thing. It's a pity few of his crew are so idealistic. Most seem to be with him for a revenge kick-Seelix because Anders wouldn't frak her, Pegasus Crew guy 'cos Tyrol and Helo killed Lt. Thorne, (and apparently he's got a thing for raping Cylons.)

Some of them however, like Racetrack, and the Marine Adama hit in the corridor seem to be supporting the Mutiny because they genuinely believe Adama has lost his touch, has lost his way, and having someone else lead the fleet who might actually justify their decisions and look out for the little guy (Felix) is the better option.

I sympathize with some of the mutineers and hope Racetrack and Felix survive, even though it's not so likely for Felix. D' you think it was Dee's suicide that put him over the edge, or was this a long time coming?

[Crown]

My view on this is that Adama and Roslin are very out of touch with the common people (Formerly one of Adama's strengths.) They lost sight of it because of the necessity of the situation. Installing better FTL drives on the ships to go farther faster, and cannot understand why it bothers many people.

No one, not even Feelix would blink at having faster FTL. That wasn't the issue. The issue was the catch that the Cylons attached; full political recognition. A seat on the Quorum (as if that means anything but hey), and that Adama basically show the same regard to saving their self serving skins as he would the rest of the human race. In case you missed it; the Rebels are perfectly willing to do fuck all to help the Colonials, unless the Colonials cede concessions to them. What's next? They get to run for President of the Colonies? Get a commission on Galactica? Volunteer their Centurions to boost the depleted Marine ranks?

Haven't we already danced this dance with them?

[DrMckay]

Moving farther faster is the best Strategic choice so they don't all die, but from a moral and legal standpoint, I think Gaeta, (and to a lesser extent Zarek,) are correct in this instance. I just think Gaeta is getting used for his idealism again. (He's not that naive, but he wants to do what he perceives to be the right thing.

Buddy, I'm agreeing with you, but I'm attempting to examine the causes of the mutiny as opposed to debate about whether or not the rebel Cylons (not Athena) have redeemed themselves. In my opinion, they haven't.

They haven't even frakkin' started. How about executing the Galactica hostages, and then Adama says, "oh. it's okay, it's not like they were main cast members anyway."

I really don't get the "feel sorry for the Cylons." kick a lot of folks seem to be going on, especially after we got a look at them in downloaded.

Former slaves they may have been, which justifies the FIRST war. Not what happened after.

They didn't participate in a peace process after the first war, and then killed billions of people in an unprovoked attack and the rebels haven't had the decency to apologize. not to mention the death squads on New Caprica.

Are they interesting characters? Yes. Do I think they're justified or redeemable? Frak no.

I have zero sympathy for them.

[Thanas]

You mean the negotiations that was going to end in a double cross from both sides? Dude, wake up. The Rebels held the President of the Colonies and the entire fleet hostage in order to secure their position.

Could you refresh my memory? Where was it shown that the negotiation were going to end in a double cross?

Germany did that by making restitution. Not by blackmailing and wheeling and dealing their way to the respectable table. Not only that, but they willfully participated in purging their Nazi past, have the Rebels even done one thing close to resembling this? You do not buy redemption, you earn it. Athena has earned it a hundred times over, the rest of the rebels have done jack and shit.

They destroyed the restoration hub, losing almost all their raiders in the process. They have been quite conciliatory as well - at no point did they demand that Caprica would be freed, or that Hera would be turned over. Heck, them sharing jump tech may very well be the only method of restitution available to them.

Sure, you may argue that they place unreasonable demands, but what are those? Demanding to be treated equally? Like Partners should in an alliance? Heck, they only demand one seat, which given to their use to the fleet and the fact that they are first on the list of getting nuked by Cavil...I do not think those are that unreasonable. Fact is, if Cylons and Humans are going to build a future together - and given the low numbers of females around, Cylon models may very well be the only thing that will ensure the future of the human race - they have to start somewhere.

What would you do in Adama's place?

[Gigaliel]

Did anyone else find Adama's "no forgiveness" statement about the rebels a bit ridiculous? Oh we'll give amnesty to the crew of the Pegasus, Cylon collaborators on New Caprica and the "reformed" genocidal Cylons, but oh no not the mutineers.

I'm not sure if it's common knowledge (it was mentioned on Pegasus), but the last time Cylon's installed stuff on a human fleet the Cylons nuked humanity. This is an important fact to remember!

I can see where unity is needed in a time of crisis, but that doesn't give Adama and Roslin a blank cheque to do whatever they want. Not to mention from the civilian perspective their is no reason to trust the Cylons this much or hand over this much influence. Especially since their cooperation to find Earth gained them nothing and Cylons have this habit of flipping into kill all humans mode at a moment's notice.

Speaking of which, when the Cylon's asked for a seat at the Quorum were they submitting to the Colonial's authority? As in they would be taking executive orders from the President?

[Thanas]

They already take military orders from Adama. I doubt listening to Roslin would be such a big step for them.

[Anguirus]

the rest of the rebels have done jack and shit.

What about executing a successful attack on the installation that allows their society to reproduce? There's a good chance that they have doomed their own species to extinction already by this act. What more do you want from them, an immediate mass suicide?

[Alyeska]

There is no justification for the mutiny. At this point the rebel cylons are important for the survival of mankind. Worse, Geata has started something he doesn't have control over. He is getting people killed. People with important skills that cannot be or have not been given to other people. Laird is DEAD. An aerospace engineer who also has deckhand experience. A vital crew member is dead. Geata almost got Adama and Tigh killed. The only two command officers with any degree of combat experience commanding the ship and knowledgeable in combat tactics and strategy. Loyal marines getting shot up. They are intending on killing parts of the engineering detail. Tell me, how does Geata intend on commanding the ship with such losses? How well will Galactica fair against the next Cylon attack? The two best pilots are considered enemies. Tigh and Adama potentially dead. The two deck chiefs dead or captured. Engineering compromised. Every element of senior leadership captured. And retribution being taken against loyal officers and crew.

Does Athena and Helo deserve their punishment? How about Tyrol, Anders, or Tigh? What have they done against the fleet? What do you gain by killing these loyal officers who have given their soul to protecting humanity?

When Adama takes command he cannot afford to execute everyone even though he should. But he needs to send a message by executing every single one of the leaders of the mutiny and every single person who took part in the killing of loyal soldiers. Adama must make sure that this never.

There is no justification for the munity and every single one of them mutineers deserves death. They are destroying the fleet and dwindling humanities chances at survival.

[Ohma]

Exactly, with the fleet (and by extension ALL OF HUMANITY as far as anyone's aware) at stake, what the mutineers are doing could very easily destroy their (RE: humanity's) chances at long term survival. It's obvious that the mutiny has already taken the lives (or removed them from their posts) of many people with skills VITAL to the continued operation and defense of Galactica and the rest of the ships in the fleet. Even putting aside the problems this has caused in the short term, think about the repercussions in the long term. It's not like there's a university ship in the fleet where people can go to learn the skills necessary to build and maintain their tech.

Honestly, if this had happened earlier, when Pegasus was still around and the fleet not in quite as dire straits, I could feel sympathetic towards the mutineers. But now? Shoot or imprison every last one of the fucks, dealing with the whole Cylon rebel culpability in the near extermination of the Human race thing can wait until they've found another planet to support them.

[Alyeska]

Exactly, with the fleet (and by extension ALL OF HUMANITY as far as anyone's aware) at stake, what the mutineers are doing could very easily destroy their (RE: humanity's) chances at long term survival. It's obvious that the mutiny has already taken the lives (or removed them from their posts) of many people with skills VITAL to the continued operation and defense of Galactica and the rest of the ships in the fleet. Even putting aside the problems this has caused in the short term, think about the repercussions in the long term. It's not like there's a university ship in the fleet where people can go to learn the skills necessary to build and maintain their tech.

Honestly, if this had happened earlier, when Pegasus was still around and the fleet not in quite as dire straits, I could feel sympathetic towards the mutineers. But now? Shoot or imprison every last one of the fucks, dealing with the whole Cylon rebel culpability in the near extermination of the Human race thing can wait until they've found another planet to support them.

The same problem applies to killing the mutiners. They are still needed. But you cannot grant amnesty to them all. Execute the leaders and the killers amongst them.

[weemadando]

Just watched it. They're going to need a bigger airlock. And I really do get the feeling that we're going to see some Centurions storming Galactica again.

I can believe that they will kill off the Admiral and Tigh. Which makes me almost certain that there is going to be one fucker of a reckoning coming for the traitors.

My predictions?
Gaeta & Zarek - airlocked by Roslin.
All other mutineers - executed by Centurions.

Oh - and you just know that Cavill and the massive Cylon pursuit fleet is going to show up with about 30 seconds left in the ep.

*edit* and oh yeah. That's a 5. It looks like they're back on track and doing the nBSG that I love, not the hand-wavium mystical shit.

[Ohma]

The same problem applies to killing the mutiners. They are still needed. But you cannot grant amnesty to them all. Execute the leaders and the killers amongst them.

Yeah, I've just gotten a bit annoyed with the whole thing. A bit more "fuck it, you losers want to blow yourselves up fine by me!" than I probably should be. >.>

[Alyeska]

The same problem applies to killing the mutiners. They are still needed. But you cannot grant amnesty to them all. Execute the leaders and the killers amongst them.

Yeah, I've just gotten a bit annoyed with the whole thing. A bit more "fuck it, you losers want to blow yourselves up fine by me!" than I probably should be. >.>

If say 3/4 of the crew were somehow partying hard on another ship on vacation, I can see spacing large portions of the mutineers. But the sad reality is Galactica is in a shitty situation and she needs her crew badly.

[Alyeska]

Just watched it. They're going to need a bigger airlock. And I really do get the feeling that we're going to see some Centurions storming Galactica again.

I can believe that they will kill off the Admiral and Tigh. Which makes me almost certain that there is going to be one fucker of a reckoning coming for the traitors.

My predictions?
Gaeta & Zarek - airlocked by Roslin.
All other mutineers - executed by Centurions.

Oh - and you just know that Cavill and the massive Cylon pursuit fleet is going to show up with about 30 seconds left in the ep.

*edit* and oh yeah. That's a 5. It looks like they're back on track and doing the nBSG that I love, not the hand-wavium mystical shit.

Geata might regain some self control when he realizes what his mutineers were doing or trying to do with Athena and Helo as well as the possible deaths of Adama and Rosilyn. In this case Geata might commit suicide.