Vatican says: Harry Potter Boffo!

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2003-02-04 06:22pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... y_potter_3

Thoughts.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-02-04 06:25pm

Was in USA Today also. Seems interesting, since it provides a line of separation between the RCC and the ultra-hardline fundamentalists. I'm waiting for a Chick Tract to come out on this sometime in the next couple weeks, about how the Pope and JK Rowling are in collusion with the Devil

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Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-04 06:26pm

Uther wrote:Thoughts.

This should be a non issue, but I'm glad the Vatican is taking some steps towards enlightenment.

The fundies will object of course, but they never really did tolerate reading, learning, etc.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-02-04 06:30pm

So the vatican thinks its harmless.... cool.

So are they of the opinion that witcraft is NOT the work of the devil, or that it does not exist?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-04 06:33pm

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-02-04 06:36pm

In tomorrows news:

Pope says "God not a fact"!

I wish..

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-04 06:51pm

and my hat looks funny

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-04 06:52pm

And they will approve anal sex! Oh wait a minute, they already do, as long as it's priests and little boys.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-04 06:55pm

Dang, for once me and the church had agreed on something, Potter=Evil, now its over.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-02-04 07:15pm

The Vatican has also stated that belief in evolution and the Catholic faith are not mutually exculsive. Too bad more of the believers in the faith don't know that.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-02-04 08:36pm

Zoink wrote:So the vatican thinks its harmless.... cool.

So are they of the opinion that witcraft is NOT the work of the devil, or that it does not exist?

Neither.

They're of the opinion that Harry Potter is FICTIONAL.

So yay them, AFAIC

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-04 09:17pm

Well ... this is better than nothing I guess. Granted, they define "bad" as "conflicting with Christian ideaology," but at least they're not making a fuss about the series. It gets kids to read, and that's always a good thing. Except if it's something like Mein Kampf I guess.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-04 09:24pm

REUTERS-The Vatican In a related story, still no apology from the Vatican for the mass murder of 'those heathen sinners' or for fucking up the minds of hundreds of generations of western civilization.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-04 10:08pm

What I can't believe is the fundamentalists who felt that Harry's calling his aunt a "bitch" was somehow WORSE than her attempts to strike him in the SAME NOVEL. It's okay to be physically abusive to your kids, but it's out of bounds to verbally abuse your relatives?

Strafe · Post by **Strafe** » 2003-02-04 10:20pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:REUTERS-The Vatican In a related story, still no apology from the Vatican for the mass murder of 'those heathen sinners' or for fucking up the minds of hundreds of generations of western civilization.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/674246.stm

"We are asking pardon for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed toward followers of other religions," said Pope John Paul II, dressed in the purple robes of Lent.

The phrase "violence in the service of truth" is an often-used reference to the treatment of heretics during the Inquisition, the Crusades, and forced conversions of native peoples.

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-02-04 10:21pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:REUTERS-The Vatican In a related story, still no apology from the Vatican for the mass murder of 'those heathen sinners' or for fucking up the minds of hundreds of generations of western civilization.

Well, the Vatican did apologize for the Holocaust, of which the then current Pope was partly responsible for.
( I'll tell you guys about it later in a thread I'm working on.)

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-04 11:17pm

Strafe wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:REUTERS-The Vatican In a related story, still no apology from the Vatican for the mass murder of 'those heathen sinners' or for fucking up the minds of hundreds of generations of western civilization.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/674246.stm

"We are asking pardon for the divisions among Christians, for the use of violence that some have committed in the service of truth, and for attitudes of mistrust and hostility assumed toward followers of other religions," said Pope John Paul II, dressed in the purple robes of Lent.

The phrase "violence in the service of truth" is an often-used reference to the treatment of heretics during the Inquisition, the Crusades, and forced conversions of native peoples.

He's basically admitting that the use of violence did the Church a service. If it wasn't for the monstrous amounts of violence and forced conversions, the Church wouldn't be anywhere near as influential as it is today.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-02-04 11:20pm

Zoink wrote:So the vatican thinks its harmless.... cool.

So are they of the opinion that witcraft is NOT the work of the devil, or that it does not exist?

More of along the lines that the books do not promote the use of Wizardry and Witchcraft , and that they use the mythos of magic to tell a moral story of good vrs/over Evil. The practice of sorcery through collusion with the 'devil' is still out......

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-04 11:25pm

Don't forget that the Catholic clergy is formally educated. As a matter of fact, Catholic seminary is graduate level work.

This is another big difference between the Catholic church and the fundies. In a fundamentalist church, Joe Bob-high-school-drop-out can be ordained.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-04 11:56pm

Superman wrote:Don't forget that the Catholic clergy is formally educated. As a matter of fact, Catholic seminary is graduate level work.

This is another big difference between the Catholic church and the fundies. In a fundamentalist church, Joe Bob-high-school-drop-out can be ordained.

Fundamentalists may be idiots, but at least their ministers don't molest children.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-04 11:59pm

Wrong. Would you like me to dig up a few stories on child molestation by fundy preachers? Just two years ago, a Baptist preacher was arrested right here in my town for child molestation.

Don't give me that "at least fundy preachers don't molest children" bullshit. It happens in the fundy churches too.

Uther · Post by **Uther** » 2003-02-05 12:00am

Durandal wrote:
Superman wrote:Don't forget that the Catholic clergy is formally educated. As a matter of fact, Catholic seminary is graduate level work.

This is another big difference between the Catholic church and the fundies. In a fundamentalist church, Joe Bob-high-school-drop-out can be ordained.
Fundamentalists may be idiots, but at least their ministers don't molest children.

Yes they do. Prove Catholic priests molest little boys more than other clergy.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-02-05 12:49am

It's not exactly hard to conclude that priests molest little boys more often because they're more (read: totally) sexually repressed than the other denominations.

Then again, a lot of the fundie ministers probably beat their children, as well.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-05 12:52am

Durandal wrote:It's not exactly hard to conclude that priests molest little boys more often because they're more (read: totally) sexually repressed than the other denominations.

Actually, the Catholic demomination doesn't have a higher rate of pedophile preists. They did however actively cover for them, allowing them to commit more crimes. They also were arrested en masse making them much higher profile than one arrest where the church cooperated.

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-02-05 02:39am

As a son of an ex-preacher, I can honestly say that celibacy is probably a better idea. Preachers often neglect and abuse their families in order to keep a good image in the eyes of the congregation. Not only that, but no child should be subjected to having a preacher father. It's abusive.

I guess being raised by a fundie family, preacher or not, is abusive as well.

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