Relytdrol (Darkstar's Little Friend)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-04 08:24pm

Somebody recently sent this E-mail:

Relytdrol wrote:Your pro-Wars propaganda site, and the source of the term "Federation Cultist" and other colorful metaphors to refer to anyone who disagrees with his views. Basically, to make your site, you take the best possible interpretations of Star Wars facts, the best parts and interpretations of the SW Expanded Universe, and the worst possible interpretations of Star Trek. However, your site is useful, as a source of many of the pro-Wars myths you'll likely hear, even after they have been debunked time and again. This is also one of the main holdouts of the anti-Trek myths such as "The Federation is Communist", and so on. It is strange . . . you are ardently anti-creationist, yet is willing to use many of the same tactics and maneuvers of intellectual dishonesty that creationists use, which is a very unusual combination. Take a look at your hate mail page, especially the debates, to see the some of the character-attacking, spin-doctoring depths to which you will go. On the other hand, your fanfic, though severely biased, is well-written.

You also have a new Vs. discussion board, which is interesting insofar as you get to see how a petulant child would run such a thing. Those you do not like and/or considers trolls (i.e. any pro-Trek debater) get posts edited and their personal information altered, and threads which refer to anything contrary to your views get closed, after you says something about not having time to update the site. Oh, yes, very impressive . . . especially when you take into account how much time you spends reading and writing in the forums. You have now created a forum which pro-Trek posts are moved to where you and the other moderators "have free reign to add insulting comments to a troll's posts at will and undertake other actions which are normally frowned upon in the other forums", meaning they are finally doing openly to pro-Trek debater posts what they previously denied doing.

Received: from 216.66.130.112 by www.stardestroyer.net with HTTP; Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:53:46 EST

So, is this the clown who said this to RSA, or did this clown quote RSA? And why are people like this so pathetic that they resort to such pure character-based attacks in lieu of anything remotely resembling a substantive criticism?

PS. Just to prove how superior he is, he sent this three times in a row, and to my personal homepage feedback, not my Empire site feedback. And of course, he didn't leave a valid return E-mail address

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-04 08:28pm

Chances are, itisDarstar posting under another one of his aliases.

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-04 09:15pm

Three times and no e-mail. Sounds like someone just trying to dick with you or too dumb to operate the form properly. Given the language skills, I wouldn't rule out the second.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-04 09:22pm

This clown quoted RSA. Check it out. This was taken from Anderson's website:

RSA wrote:Mike Wong's pro-Wars propaganda site, and the source of the term "Federation Cultist" and other colorful metaphors to refer to anyone who disagrees with his views. Basically, to make his site, you take the best possible interpretations of Star Wars facts, the best parts and interpretations of the SW Expanded Universe, and the worst possible interpretations of Star Trek. However, the site is useful, as a source of many of the pro-Wars myths you'll likely hear, even after they have been debunked time and again. This is also one of the main holdouts of the anti-Trek myths such as "The Federation is Communist", and so on. It is strange . . . Wong is ardently anti-creationist, yet is willing to use many of the same tactics and maneuvers of intellectual dishonesty that creationists use, which is a very unusual combination. Take a look at his hate mail page, especially the debates, to see the some of the character-attacking, spin-doctoring depths to which Wong will go. On the other hand, his fanfic, though severely biased, is well-written.
For a much more creative take on StarDestroyer.Net, take a look at this masterful piece(off-site).
He also has a new Vs. discussion board, which is interesting insofar as you get to see how a petulant child would run such a thing. Those he does not like and/or considers trolls (i.e. any pro-Trek debater) get posts edited and their personal information altered, and threads which refer to anything contrary to his views get closed, after he says something about not having time to update the site. Oh, yes, very impressive . . . especially when you take into account how much time he spends reading and writing in the forums. He has now created a forum which pro-Trek posts are moved to where he and the other moderators "have free reign to add insulting comments to a troll's posts at will and undertake other actions which are normally frowned upon in the other forums", meaning they are finally doing openly to pro-Trek debater posts what they previously denied doing.

Look familiar? It's almost an identical message to the one above. Anderson's site has been saying this for some time. The link is here:

http://www.st-v-sw.net/STSWlinks.html

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-04 09:36pm

I searched the name in Yahoo, it took me to a SW vs ST message board on MSN groups. He is indeed a rabid-Trekkie, as can be seen in any of his posts, from "FOGET THE TEHC MANUALS!":

God, im tired of listening to all this tech manual BS, if a TL was really had all those thousands and thousands of terrawats of energy or whatever it is all of you are saying then why would they even need the DS to blow up planets. Ok ok since you have so much time on your hands then I want you to work out this problem for me ok? in ANW when Han saw the asteroid field he said this "the ENTIRE fleet couldnt have done that, it would have taken thousands of ships with more fire power than..."so you see all that tech manual crap you use cant be true. So please try to rely on the visual evidence provided or have you decided that the movies arent "canon" enough for you?

He apparently likes dusting off age-old long refuted arguments, no less. The actual board he posts on is insignificantly small, conprising of (from my brief viewing) no more than a dozen regular posters. Anyways, just thought you'd like to know.

Zaku-chan · Post by **Zaku-chan** » 2003-02-04 10:50pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote: God, im tired of listening to all this tech manual BS, if a TL was really had all those thousands and thousands of terrawats of energy or whatever it is all of you are saying then why would they even need the DS to blow up planets. Ok ok since you have so much time on your hands then I want you to work out this problem for me ok?in ANW whenHan saw the asteroid field he said this "the ENTIRE fleet couldnt have done that, it would have taken thousands of ships with more fire power than..."so you see all that tech manual crap you use cant be true. So please try to rely on the visual evidence provided or have you decided that the movies arent "canon" enough for you?

He apparently likes dusting off age-old long refuted arguments, no less. The actual board he posts on is insignificantly small, conprising of (from my brief viewing) no more than a dozen regular posters. Anyways, just thought you'd like to know.

That's funny, when did they change the title to 'A New Whope'?

Sonnenburg · Post by **Sonnenburg** » 2003-02-04 11:32pm

Zaku-chan wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote: God, im tired of listening to all this tech manual BS, if a TL was really had all those thousands and thousands of terrawats of energy or whatever it is all of you are saying then why would they even need the DS to blow up planets. Ok ok since you have so much time on your hands then I want you to work out this problem for me ok?in ANW whenHan saw the asteroid field he said this "the ENTIRE fleet couldnt have done that, it would have taken thousands of ships with more fire power than..."so you see all that tech manual crap you use cant be true. So please try to rely on the visual evidence provided or have you decided that the movies arent "canon" enough for you?

He apparently likes dusting off age-old long refuted arguments, no less. The actual board he posts on is insignificantly small, conprising of (from my brief viewing) no more than a dozen regular posters. Anyways, just thought you'd like to know.
That's funny, when did they change the title to 'A New Whope'?

It was done for the re-release on a suggestion from Mark Whammil and Wharrison Ford.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-05 12:10am

Darth Garden Gnome, kindly post a link so someone can go crush the little turd.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-05 12:13am

I remember that guy. I bitch slapped him a round a bit, then moved on to Slobba, then watch ate up too much of my time to continue.

Even the other trekkies ignore him, including Virus X.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-05 12:14am

With pleasure.

http://groups.msn.com/StarTrekVsStarWar ... board.msnw

You'll have to sign up, although I haven't bothered to figure out how, I'm sure it's easy. Enjoy.

CmdrWilkens · Post by **CmdrWilkens** » 2003-02-05 12:21am

You know it wasn't worth it to go over to Infoceptor (they fled within moments of my arrival thanks to MoO upstaging me). In other words I doubt it be worth it to take on the easy job of stomping the fools.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-05 12:27am

Man, the people over there are TRULY idiots. I like this quote from "Pepito."

Yeah, right, one shot from a SD. Uh huh. Sorry, but despite any shield arguements you have, it comes down to sheer size. A borg cube is at least 3000 meters long on each dimension, and a single shot of energy weapon destroying something that big would be able to take out the Death Star with a head on assualt with a small fleet of SD with no tactical strategy; just by attacking. Your so-called arguement is folly. Realistically, a Borg Cube can keep at 100% maximum efficiency at 75% damage. Think of a Star Destroyer as the Hare, and a Cube as the tortise. The SD attacks with everything instantly, and could deal out considerable damage perhaps, but a borg Cube would take it's lickin's and keep on kickin'. Bah, this whole 'one shot' crap is retarded. Screw this.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-05 12:30am

Wow.........

I mean really wow...talk about subjective vs objective

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-05 12:38am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Chances are, itisDarstar posting under another one of his aliases.

That was my first thought as well...

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-05 12:42am

Here's another good "Pepito" quote:

There are sooooo many reasons that ST would kick the crap out of SW. I have a few major points:
The Federation-A group of over 150 planets and races with ships from all corners of the quadrant
The Borg-Thousands of deferent species all molded together to form a race that is harded to so many things, with colossal ships and superior weaponry
Species 8472-A race even more powerful than the borg, they cannot be destroyed nor killed except by modified borg nanoprobes in weaponry-something that doesn't exist in SW
The Dominion-Like the Federation, practically the entire Gamma Quadrant allied together, they signed a treaty with the Federation
The Caretakers-Beings with infinate power that can mold entire civilizations, or destroy them instantly...lucky for everyone, they're just explorers

The SW galaxy has what? Flashing lights called 'laz-ers'? Whatever. Don't get me wrong, I like SW on it's own, but ST just plainly has superior technology and powers.

Also, I forgot to mention weaponry.
The ST weaponry has huge advantages, such as Phaser arcs, and Photon Torpedos, that give a 'all-round' weapons aim.
Second, ST has REAL shields, something that PROTECTS the ship from damage.
SW has the dumbest shields that don't do squat.

Finally, realism. ST had real ideas in thought, such as the theories on wormholes, anitmatter and speeds that are FASTER than light. Which brings me to another point, in SW, light speed and hyperspace are the same thing, yet they can move across the galaxy in a matter of hours. Any of you who passed Science 8 in school would know that light travels at 300,000 km/second, much less than a light year. The galaxy is about 100 000 light years across, while that would take light 100 000 years! Ha! What a joke.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-02-05 12:52am

I see realism in that quote.

If they would only pay attention...

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-05 12:55am

The SW galaxy has what? Flashing lights called 'laz-ers'? Whatever. Don't get me wrong, I like SW on it's own, but ST just plainly has superior technology and powers.

As I posted in another thread, rabid Trekkies think that luh-zers is a swear word, but Roddenberry was very clever to change the first letter, so he could be able to fit in generic sci-fi deathrays.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-05 01:06am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:With pleasure.

http://groups.msn.com/StarTrekVsStarWar ... board.msnw

You'll have to sign up, although I haven't bothered to figure out how, I'm sure it's easy. Enjoy.

Thanks. Its too late in the evening now, but I'll get to work on the idiot tomorrow.

Ten years of bad movies has prepared me well for dealing with such stupidity. Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-05 01:29am

In case anyone's wondering, the IP given traces to look.ca, a Canadian ISP. Mike, you didn't inadvertently give the IP address of your ISP's mail server... did you?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-05 09:41am

Crayz9000 wrote:In case anyone's wondering, the IP given traces to look.ca, a Canadian ISP. Mike, you didn't inadvertently give the IP address of your ISP's mail server... did you?

No, that's his IP, not mine. Anybody can look up the IP of my mail server by simply doing an nslookup mail.stardestroyer.net.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-05 09:42am

Hey, does this clown reveal an E-mail address in his msn postings? It would be interesting to reply to him.

smokemare · Post by **smokemare** » 2003-02-05 10:16am

going on the blatant masturbatory praise of RSA's I'd site it's far from impossible that this in fact RSA attempting to add credibilty to his writing by praising it from an anonymous 3rd person alias.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-05 11:32am

Kamakazie Sith wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Chances are, itisDarstar posting under another one of his aliases.
That was my first thought as well...

No, that was the place where he accused me of following him to when I was there first. He used DSG2K there. It's also where he began denying his posts were his posts.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-05 11:35am

Darth Wong wrote:Hey, does this clown reveal an E-mail address in his msn postings? It would be interesting to reply to him.

It sends updates to your email, so yes, assuming he used a real account when he signed up.

it says hodge_84@hotmail.com for him

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-05 11:38am

You know, I checked back at the boards there, and it's odd, it was Pepito everyone ignored, but Relytdrol who struck as fairly reasonable. Apparently he found scooter's site and contacted rabies in the meantime.