nBSG ep 4.14 - "Blood on the Scales" talkback (SPOILERS)

[JME2]

If Cavil shows up now...

Aye, because it's a question of when, not if the main Cylon faction tracks them down. Season 4.5's still looking good; this is gonna be a helluva end...

[Braedley]

Frakking awesome episode!


That is all.

[Skylon]

With respect to the Galatica's mounting wear and tear, I'd like to see a series of images showing the ship at the time of the miniseries to whatever point the ship or the series comes to an end, whichever comes first. I bet the differences would be quite telling.

Well, the ship's damage has been taken into account from day one. Since the mini-series Galactica's carried the scars of the first nuke attack on the port flight pod. Starting with "33" the ship's interior also seemed to get a much more worn look (probably due to being called into a combat situation every 33 minutes for 5 days...). Galactica's look stayed pretty consistent through season 1 and 2, up into early season 3 and "Exodus" pt 2. From then on things really started to deteriorate.

[weemadando]

I can't fault this episode. Apollo channelling his Ultimate Force days,

Damn straight, it was nice to see the return of Dotsy.

[loomer]

Regarding those cracks/fractures/tears in the engine room, they might not be as bad as everyone is thinking. We know the Pegasus developed a similar issue down in their engine - and while far from good and detrimental to the ship's structural integrity, it didn't cause it to shut down or go bewm (the coolant issue did, but not that.) It's entirely possible that the massive energy discharge required for FTL travel may be causing strain on the surrounding area, and that the ships may even have been built to be able to withstand structural detoriation in those areas.

[charlemagne]

Regarding those cracks/fractures/tears in the engine room, they might not be as bad as everyone is thinking. We know the Pegasus developed a similar issue down in their engine - and while far from good and detrimental to the ship's structural integrity, it didn't cause it to shut down or go bewm (the coolant issue did, but not that.) It's entirely possible that the massive energy discharge required for FTL travel may be causing strain on the surrounding area, and that the ships may even have been built to be able to withstand structural detoriation in those areas.

Well, if that's the case then Tyrol didn't get the memo, because he was clearly thinking "frak, that's not good" when looking at it. Granted, he's not chief engineer, but he is competent with all things tech.

[loomer]

Oh, even if they were designed that way, you'd probably still have that reaction at great big rents in the hull. If nothing else, on a ship with no chance of major overhaul, you'd want to have known earlier so that the repairs would have been easier (or maybe even just possible).

[charlemagne]

Oh, even if they were designed that way, you'd probably still have that reaction at great big rents in the hull. If nothing else, on a ship with no chance of major overhaul, you'd want to have known earlier so that the repairs would have been easier (or maybe even just possible).

Well that sounds kinda logical, but if that's the intent, then there would've been no real point in showing the damaged area and Tyrol's shocked reaction.

[Solauren]

Those rents looked ALOT like a Cyclon Centurian had gotten down their and took a few swipes at the wall to me.

Maybe that's the worry; that there is a Centurian on boarding slowly damaging the ship.


I agree, structural faituge is the more likely candidate, but a rogue centurian would also be interesting.

[General Zod]

Those rents looked ALOT like a Cyclon Centurian had gotten down their and took a few swipes at the wall to me.

Maybe that's the worry; that there is a Centurian on boarding slowly damaging the ship.


I agree, structural faituge is the more likely candidate, but a rogue centurian would also be interesting.

Yeah, I think you're reaching with that one. If a Centurion was there, he'd have done a lot worse than just put a few holes and stress fractures in Galactica's engine room, and I doubt he could have stayed hidden long. It's not as if Centurions are known for being subtle.

[RedImperator]

Those rents looked ALOT like a Cyclon Centurian had gotten down their and took a few swipes at the wall to me.

Maybe that's the worry; that there is a Centurian on boarding slowly damaging the ship.


I agree, structural faituge is the more likely candidate, but a rogue centurian would also be interesting.

Why would a loose Centurion fuck around with putting scratches in the walls when it could tear the guts out of the FTL?

[Phantasee]

Those rents looked ALOT like a Cyclon Centurian had gotten down their and took a few swipes at the wall to me.

Maybe that's the worry; that there is a Centurian on boarding slowly damaging the ship.


I agree, structural faituge is the more likely candidate, but a rogue centurian would also be interesting.

Why would a loose Centurion fuck around with putting scratches in the walls when it could tear the guts out of the FTL?

Come on, you saw the space the Chief had to go into to pull that thing out! Clearly, a Centurion who was pissed off that he couldn't fit in there just punched the wall.

A lot.

[Brother-Captain Gaius]

I just rewatched the miniseries, and noticed something to consider:

Ragnarok Station is "3 days" away for Galactica, according to the bridge crew. They didn't even consider an FTL jump to it until it became clear that sublight travel there was tactically untenable. Even then, the idea was met with surprise, and Adama has to remind everyone that they're trained to do it. Later, Gaeta is pretty apprehensive about both performing the jump, and plotting a second, long-range jump.

The implication, of course, is that actual FTL jumping seems to be relatively uncommon, at least during peacetime. It then follows that the uncounted dozens, if not hundreds of jumps made by Galactica are probably unprecedented. That the ship was not designed to do such long-range jumps on a constant basis without any kind of regular maintenance or support goes without saying.

[Phantasee]

Does anyone know if the Red Line changes as they headed deeper into space?

[Sarevok]

Does anyone know if the Red Line changes as they headed deeper into space?

Colonial FTL might work faster in interstellar space. In the Algae planet episode they needed risky multiple jumps just to hop across a Solar system.

[wautd]

It was an alright episode, but pretty pale compared to the previous one. Then again, I considered ep 13 one of the best episodes ever

Galactica's probable demise.

It may sound silly but I'll miss that ship. As sci-fi vessels go, this baby felt like it really existed.

That said, it would be lame if they magically resurrect it like they did with Starbuck's Viper.

[ZOmegaZ]

Cavil has ...??? large numbers of fully supplied, fully intact Baseships and continue to be highly motivated to kill all humans and rebel cylons they can find.

Cavil's no idiot. Unless he knows something we don't, what purpose does killing everyone in the fleet serve now? If you think the rag-tag fleet is in bad shape, look at his situation. Remember, resurrection doesn't work any more, and possibly excepting Boomer, he has no women. At least our guys have a hope of reproduction and survival as a group. He has none. So unless he's turned stupid and wants revenge at any cost, which I just don't see happening on this show, or Cavil's learned how to create skinjobs from nothing or fix resurrection, Cavil's probably not going to show up with a "kill everyone" agenda. Possibly an "incapacitate and capture everyone" agenda, but not "kill everyone".

[Sarevok]

Cavil has ...??? large numbers of fully supplied, fully intact Baseships and continue to be highly motivated to kill all humans and rebel cylons they can find.

Cavil's no idiot. Unless he knows something we don't, what purpose does killing everyone in the fleet serve now? If you think the rag-tag fleet is in bad shape, look at his situation. Remember, resurrection doesn't work any more, and possibly excepting Boomer, he has no women. At least our guys have a hope of reproduction and survival as a group. He has none. So unless he's turned stupid and wants revenge at any cost, which I just don't see happening on this show, or Cavil's learned how to create skinjobs from nothing or fix resurrection, Cavil's probably not going to show up with a "kill everyone" agenda. Possibly an "incapacitate and capture everyone" agenda, but not "kill everyone".

Don't be so of that. Ellen Tigh was seen resurrecting in the next episode preview.

[Uraniun235]

Remember spoilers about any previews.

[Thanas]

Cavil has ...??? large numbers of fully supplied, fully intact Baseships and continue to be highly motivated to kill all humans and rebel cylons they can find.

Cavil's no idiot. Unless he knows something we don't, what purpose does killing everyone in the fleet serve now? If you think the rag-tag fleet is in bad shape, look at his situation. Remember, resurrection doesn't work any more, and possibly excepting Boomer, he has no women. At least our guys have a hope of reproduction and survival as a group. He has none. So unless he's turned stupid and wants revenge at any cost, which I just don't see happening on this show, or Cavil's learned how to create skinjobs from nothing or fix resurrection, Cavil's probably not going to show up with a "kill everyone" agenda. Possibly an "incapacitate and capture everyone" agenda, but not "kill everyone".

I am wondering - why does everyone assume the Cylons will die out without reproduction? Skinjobs are made. They made them in the first place. What prevents Cavil from simply creating new copies?

[charlemagne]

I am wondering - why does everyone assume the Cylons will die out without reproduction? Skinjobs are made. They made them in the first place. What prevents Cavil from simply creating new copies?

Also, do Skinjobs - apart from the final 5, obviously - even age? So assuming they keep their heads down and don't pick up dangerous hobbies, they really shouldn't die out, should they?

[bilateralrope]

Cavil has ...??? large numbers of fully supplied, fully intact Baseships and continue to be highly motivated to kill all humans and rebel cylons they can find.

Cavil's no idiot. Unless he knows something we don't, what purpose does killing everyone in the fleet serve now? If you think the rag-tag fleet is in bad shape, look at his situation. Remember, resurrection doesn't work any more, and possibly excepting Boomer, he has no women. At least our guys have a hope of reproduction and survival as a group. He has none. So unless he's turned stupid and wants revenge at any cost, which I just don't see happening on this show, or Cavil's learned how to create skinjobs from nothing or fix resurrection, Cavil's probably not going to show up with a "kill everyone" agenda. Possibly an "incapacitate and capture everyone" agenda, but not "kill everyone".

Actually, what is there to stop Cavil's group rebuilding the resurrection hub ?

The Cylons build it once, surely they still have the plans.

[General Zod]

Actually, what is there to stop Cavil's group rebuilding the resurrection hub ?

The Cylons build it once, surely they still have the plans.

Just because you have the plans doesn't mean you have the resources or infrastructure to build a new one. I'm sure the Colonials have plans for other Battlestars aboard Galactica too. Don't mean they can make another.

[bilateralrope]

Actually, what is there to stop Cavil's group rebuilding the resurrection hub ?

The Cylons build it once, surely they still have the plans.

Just because you have the plans doesn't mean you have the resources or infrastructure to build a new one. I'm sure the Colonials have plans for other Battlestars aboard Galactica too. Don't mean they can make another.

The Colonials lost all their infrastructure to the Cylon bombardment. What happened to the Cylon infrastructure ?

[General Zod]

The Colonials lost all their infrastructure to the Cylon bombardment. What happened to the Cylon infrastructure ?

We don't know. But since they only had the one hub it's probably safe to presume that they're either impossibly difficult to manufacture or they don't have the infrastructure or access to resources to make another one.