T:SCC 2x14: "The Good Wound"

[Thanas]

....will air in the new timeslot today. Let us hope that the new timeslot does not decrease the ratings any further or that the ratings will recover.

An injured Sarah is guided by the image of John's father, Kyle Reese, while Weaver's move to protect John Henry results in deadly consequences.

While the episode suggests a crappy episode, this one will be written by no other than the duo of Ashley Edward Miller and Zack Stentz and these guys always delivered in the past. Therefore, I hope this will be a good episode.

As always, please use spoiler tags for promos and spoilers from future episodes. Discussion and speculation about things happening in this one should be spoiler-free, however.

[Anguirus]

Well, the time slot is causing ME to miss it...thats when my D&D group is meeting. I will catch it as soon as it's up on Hulu, and hopefully they take those numbers into account somewhere in Corporate.

[Burak Gazan]

Well , I dont know what to make of this one; good to have it back, but didnt seem to get into a lot. Was interesting to see that John Henry/Terminator is learning at what appears to be a geometric rate, and Ellison is still a religious dolt. And that the T-1000/Weaver is willing and able to slaughter dozens to keep things quiet about any connections to Skynet. It seemed a bit crammed , with too many things going on to stay on one topic for long. And just when I was hoping maybe see more of Connor Trinneer, he gets burned down as the evil abusive police chief Shame too, he would have been a nice addition to the cast

[Peptuck]

Decent episode. I'm glad Kyle was just a hallucination on Sarah's part, and not the real deal. Other than that, not much special about this beyond the exploration into Sarah's fractured psyche.

Of course, the best part about this episode was Weaver's slaughtermode.

So, was Riley faking the suicide, or faking the faking of the suicide to get into Jesse's good graces again? If its the latter, she gets a few more points from me for manipulating Jesse, while if its the former then it shows she's decent at manipulating John's emotions.

Very little Cameron this episode, but what little there was was solid. Loved the bit where she basically tells John to "stop worrying about the stupid bitch" and walks off. And the bit where she tells John he has way more important things to worry about than one suicidal girl. We can always count on the Taminator to be callously practical.

Biggest failing of this episode is....nothing really remarkable or plot-progressing save Weaver's horribly awesome rampage.

I give it a three, and I note at least one of the cowards who always rate the episodes a one without ever explaining why has already hit the poll.

[Paradox]

I think it was an awesome episode, I was worried TSCC was going to come back with a mediocre episode and I was not going to care, but this one seemed to hit the ground running.

It was nice to see Kyle back, but the whole hullucinating a dead person thing is getting cliche on TV, Greys Anatomy was doing it for awhile, so its a bit annoying to see another show do it, but I think this time it was done right, at long as they don't keep doing it.

What I forgot is how did Sarah get to the hospital? did the Zeira Corp people drop her off somewhere else and call the police?

[charlemagne]

Well, not a terrible episode, but not great either. Voted a 3.

I hope the Riley situation gets some kind of resolvement soon, I'm getting more and more tired of her.

Shame about Sheriff Tucker there I always liked Trip the best of the (admittetly mediocre) Enterprise - cast, so it was nice to see the Connor Trinneer again.

I wonder how John Henry "thinks". They make him talk all rational and logical, the good old cliché of a highly scientific thinking AI there - but then, if he really was thinking that rational, he'd challenged Ellison's religious bullshit a long time ago instead of buying into it fully. I mean, John Henry has access to the internet now, can't be that hard for him to find Mike's site about ethics vs. religion when researching the concept.

[D.Turtle]

I liked it - 4.

I hope Ellison falls flat on his nose because of all the religious bullshit he is sprouting.

And T-1000 rampage!

[Peptuck]

I wonder how John Henry "thinks". They make him talk all rational and logical, the good old cliché of a highly scientific thinking AI there - but then, if he really was thinking that rational, he'd challenged Ellison's religious bullshit a long time ago instead of buying into it fully.

I can't help but think he is challenging it, in a rather quiet way. He does point out that if "we are made in God's image" then why did God make man with hinge joints instead of ball-and-socket - with the implication that if God is perfect, then why is man flawed with inferior joints?

[Rogue 11]

The good: We get some plot movements across the board, I'm starting to like John Henry quite a bit (Albeit Ellison's religious sermoning grates). Weaver cutting loose was pretty damn impressive.

The bad: Riley scenes didn't really strike a chord with me. Episode was a bit too tightly packed.

Overall I'd rate it as above average and give it a 4.

Weaver cutting loose was pretty damn impressive. You couldn't hide, you couldn't run. No weapons, just liquid metal-fu How far was she stabbing when it got more into the open when people started to run? We don't get to see it but was she walking fast enough to run down people who were running or did she have the reach to get them regardless?

She seemed to be a lot more competent than the T-1000 from T2 with the liquid metal fighting. Guess that's why she's a 1001. If Cameron ever has to fight Weaver straight I can't honestly give Glauminator realistic odds, they were already tilted against her, now they are just obscene.

Did Riley really intend to manipulate John (Or Jesse) from the start or did she go for that after the fact? Her cuts were the type that rarely works from the scars when we see Jesse (Across the wrist as opposed to along it is as far as I know supposed to be less effective), but was that lack of knowledge or deliberate? Personally I'm leaning towards the suicide attempt being genuine, but that's gut feeling only.

Also. Jesse comes across as a stone cold bitch here. I though Derek is a bit cold blooded but Jesse seems to be in a category of her own. Personally I'm hoping she gets hers and I'm also kinda hoping that John delivers it. That kid deserves to get to strike back at some of the various forces trying to manipulate him.

Finally: Ellison and Skynet. I joked to several mates that Skynet probably goes fully fundamentalist and then with Internet access stumbles across 4chan. The rest should be predictable enough.

[PREDATOR490]

Watched it and found it decent.

My gripe would be with Weaver going on the rampage. On the one side it makes her look awesome but it was a bit crap in implementation.
She can stab people at rather questionable ranges, even when they are running away while she is walking ?
This is the same kind of scene like Alpine fields where we see Cam get hurled through the window from a questionable distance.

Everything else was pretty much predictable but I really like the Weaver / Ellison exhange. It seems to me Weaver has become the Cameron of John Henry, if John Henry is Skynet I cant help but find that a suitable irony.

The big question this episode left me was the issue of that drone thing. Was this an delusion from Sarah Connor or was that actually real ?
If it was real and people in the factory were scrambling to relocate, why did they call someone to get Sarah rather than just let her die / kill her ?

Overall, the major gripe was the Kyle Reese shit. It was pretty obvious he was going to be a delusion but this episode took that to a bit of an extreme. We have the 'delusion' fucking with objects, telling her the corridor is clear and that 'apple tree' thing. I just hope the writers arent going to make that apple tree thing pan out as being true.

[Anguirus]

My theory:

The warehouse is actually being run by the resistance. Sarah barged in and jeopardized their attempt to secure the coltan. They panicked and made a call that John Henry could pick up, and Weaver killed them. Presumably, she then took steps to secure the coltan.

I like that, despite the limitations of the show's budget, Weaver comes off as much more badass than the original T-1000. She can stab multiple people from great distances, and she's lightning fast...the original would have stabbed those guys who she just walked past and throat-cut instantly. (Of course, the original also would have been smart enough to bring a gun...) I also was highly amused by her reaction to the two guards!

Anyway, on the episode...it was solid, but the Weaver/John Henry stuff is what pushed it up into "4" territory. The rest was just a decent, not exceptional, payoff to the hanging plot threads.

[PREDATOR490]

My theory:

The warehouse is actually being run by the resistance. Sarah barged in and jeopardized their attempt to secure the coltan. They panicked and made a call that John Henry could pick up, and Weaver killed them. Presumably, she then took steps to secure the coltan.

I really do not see this as being feasible unless it is Jessie's doing or whoever she is working for.
As far as I could hear the transmission said:

Guy 1: 'We got a breach.
Guy 1: 'Man Shot.'
Guy 1: (No idea what this said. Something 'there')
Guy 2: Damn, breach ?
Guy 2: Well you know the drill shut the place down.
Guy 1: Down, damn, I got 16 tons of Coltan ?
Guy 2: YOU know the drill, shut it down
Guy 2: I'll call our people... <cut off>

Weaver: and you detected THAT on an unsecure line ?
Henry: During my scan yes ?
Weaver: Well that was a mistake

Henry states Weaver's companry has 'gained control of 7% of the worlds Coltan reserve' so she then decides to blow up a warehouse with 16 tons of it rather than secure it as well ?
Apparantly the corp has been doing this for a period of 26 months which could be an indication of how long Weaver has been in play. Even before Connor and co. jumped to the future.

I'm leaning towards the idea of it being one of her stockpiles that fucked up so she is cleaning house.
OR
This is her waging a war against Skynet securing Coltan for itself or another Terminator faction.

Fuck knows though and the episode typically leaves more questions than it answers so it is rather futile to attribute the warehouse to anyone yet. All we know is Weaver slaughtered everyone and yet could walk into the building without the two guys reacting in the corridor. Then she fucked with the computer and blew the place up.

[Anarchist Bunny]

I really hope that they start wrapping shit up before Fox cans them. Since they moved it into the Friday Night Death Slot, we all know its coming, will probably be lucky if it finishes the season at all.

Or Sci-Fi picks it up to fill in the barren wasteland that is becoming their channel.

Anyways, loved Loved LOVED John Henry playing with Lego(Okay, Bionicle, but those were kinda cool, I have all of the first batch). John Henry overall rocked this epsidoe(I laughed my ass off at him wanting to ask God why he didn't make Man with more ball and socket joint) although I would of liked to see this guy more as Cromartie, he is well out doing himself as John Henry.

Okay episode overall, Weaver is a much more dangerous T-1000, but hopefully she won't loose capability when she's after people with names.

[Shroom Man 777]

Weaver didn't blow up a warehouse full of coltan, dudes.

John Henry found out that she was acquiring coltan, and through a transmission of a bunch of doomed shmucks, figured out that Weaver was doing it via less than ethical means.

Then Weaver went over and did another less than ethical liquidation of a facility that tested prototype HKs, while doing something to the databanks. Presumably stealing the stuff for her own usage!

She's doing all sorts of shit, and I'd love to get nightmare-raeped by the liquid metal mannequin-form Weaver.


I like this episode. I think that bit at the end though, with the police officer being an abusive husband or something, was a bit too tacked on. Kyle Reese was okay, though he didn't need to have faux facial hairs, and he could've been a bit more gruff or something.

Right then, he was not the tense and terse shitpiece from T1. In TSCC, they portray him as a goddamn wimp! But it's okay.

Robot River better get to do actual-factual badass shit later on.

[Anguirus]

I like this episode. I think that bit at the end though, with the police officer being an abusive husband or something, was a bit too tacked on.

I don't think it was tacked on (they were dropping hints throughout the ep) but it was way too convenient. The guy was a hell of a good cop, and represented a real threat to the Connors. Sarah just happens to grab his abused wife, who shoots him dead at the end. Woo, tracks covered, the wife takes the rap, they get away clean. I thought it was clumsy.

Right then, he was not the tense and terse shitpiece from T1.

Certainly not, but he did remind me of Sarah's vision of Kyle from T2 (Director's Cut). Which makes sense, cause they weren't writing the real Kyle, they were writing Sarah's perception of him.

(I was slightly irritated by the "virtual person" thing, as BSG uses it very heavily...however, T2 did it first so I guess I should just deal. Although I might be the only one who thinks that a younger Kyle actually coming through time to help them might be a riot, considering just how fucked up the timeline is getting now.)

[neoolong]

I don't mind how Reese was portrayed, because it was Sarah imagining Reese. I don't see it as unreasonable for her to imagine him as more openly caring than he might otherwise be.

[charlemagne]

I don't think it was tacked on (they were dropping hints throughout the ep) but it was way too convenient. The guy was a hell of a good cop, and represented a real threat to the Connors. Sarah just happens to grab his abused wife, who shoots him dead at the end. Woo, tracks covered, the wife takes the rap, they get away clean. I thought it was clumsy.

Yep, and I also didn't like the old, tired cliche of "gets shot, drops dead". What I mean is this: people get shot and live through it all the time in this series, but now the not-trained-in-guns doctor takes one lucky shot, and of course the target is dead at once. Lame.

[Thanas]

Very little Cameron this episode, but what little there was was solid. Loved the bit where she basically tells John to "stop worrying about the stupid bitch" and walks off. And the bit where she tells John he has way more important things to worry about than one suicidal girl. We can always count on the Taminator to be callously practical.

Yep. Highlight of the episode, as I do not really care for Jessie, Riley or any of that stupid sideplot. If the show gets axed this season, the sideplot will be one of my top reasons why it lost ratings.

I give it a three, and I note at least one of the cowards who always rate the episodes a one without ever explaining why has already hit the poll.

And I will disregard him when it comes to tallying the totals, as usual.

She seemed to be a lot more competent than the T-1000 from T2 with the liquid metal fighting. Guess that's why she's a 1001. If Cameron ever has to fight Weaver straight I can't honestly give Glauminator realistic odds, they were already tilted against her, now they are just obscene.

Quote from Summer Glau on her chances against Weaver: "Very little".

Of course Weaver will find it harder to penetrate Cameron (and whoever turns this into a sick joke is a sad little boy living in his mothers basement), but there is no way for Cameron to really hurt Weaver...unless she brings in some C4.

Also. Jesse comes across as a stone cold bitch here. I though Derek is a bit cold blooded but Jesse seems to be in a category of her own. Personally I'm hoping she gets hers and I'm also kinda hoping that John delivers it. That kid deserves to get to strike back at some of the various forces trying to manipulate him.

I am kinda hoping for Cameron doing the deed, since Jessie came back to kill her after all.

My gripe would be with Weaver going on the rampage. On the one side it makes her look awesome but it was a bit crap in implementation.
She can stab people at rather questionable ranges, even when they are running away while she is walking ?
This is the same kind of scene like Alpine fields where we see Cam get hurled through the window from a questionable distance.

Well, not really. T-1000 have been able to perform more astonishing feats. As for the HK, I bet it was real. It would gel very well with Weaver perfecting technology and gathering resources.

I'm leaning towards the idea of it being one of her stockpiles that fucked up so she is cleaning house.

Me too. Her being able to just walk in makes it clear...also, if they were resistance fighters, they would not have reacted as the security personal did.

[Faqa]

"What would future me do now?"

"Future you has better things to do."

ZING!

I did miss this show.

Although this is not one of the better episodes. Basically seemed to be concerned with wrapping up the previous episode. Better than not doing so, I suppose.

The Sarah plot seemed... fairly pointless. We didn't learn anything about Sarah, nor did she seem all that changed. It was just her being weak and clinging to Kyle(who looked ridiculous. Although, as a nice touch, he looked quite a bit like John's actor). And as for the whole abused-doctor plotline? Stupid and tacked on. I mean, it was all watchable and well-done and such, but it didn't seem all that relevant.

Although possibly her blabbing that stuff about the real her(especially the name 'Reese', which was enough to trigger alarm bells in Termies a year and a half ago) is going to have consequences.

But seriously. Am I missing something in the Sarah plot?

Riley continues to be a puzzle. I would give fairly good odds that a girl growing up in an apocalyptic future knows blood vessels sufficiently well to know where to slash if she wants to kill herself. Then again, the fact that she brought that up when Jesse got in her face as opposed to at the hospital where she could've been looking vulnerable and stuff to John suggests she was serious. It's possible the show missed a trick with the slashed wrists, of course. But these are the same people who bothered to figure out Cameron's weight and actually put kevlar in a bullet-stopping chair, so....

As for Weaver, de lady kicks ass. That is really all.

And John Henry is getting scary in how much he knows. Seriously, the way he put the pieces together about Weaver's company and identity was simply frightening. Ellison had better hurry up the morality lessons(while I don't like the religious angle, it seems to work on this show, somehow). Although I wonder why he feels the need to 'play' with the dolls.

[PREDATOR490]

Figuring out what Weaver is wasnt that impressive to me.

Granted, she is leaps and bounds ahead of the Terminator's we have seen attempting to blend in but she still has a few tell-tale signs. Since John Henry demonstrated a interesting ability to reason out Croms. origin and conduct research it makes sense he may have been using some of the T-888 systems to identify Weaver.
Still, it was more impressive the way he just brought it up.
He goes into that spiel about the toys and Weaver looks as close to disgusted as she can get then you get him flat out bitch slapping her.

I get the feeling thats where this Ellison / religious shit is going. At some point I will expect John Henry to take everything Ellison has said and completely turn it against him until Ellison either goes nuts or breaks down.
In theory, the 'Babylon' stuff and constant religious aspect to this season could be an indication Skynet is going to attempt to 'trick' humans into thinking it is the 'good guy' or 'saint' against the 'evil Connors'.

As for the toys, when I saw that scene, I kept thinking what would happen if someone handed him a Dalek, Star Trek Borg or Star Wars droid. If anything I would find it deeply hilarious for John Henry to give the same kind of useless trivia about it as he did with these toys.

[Lord Insanity]

As for the toys, when I saw that scene, I kept thinking what would happen if someone handed him a Dalek, Star Trek Borg or Star Wars droid. If anything I would find it deeply hilarious for John Henry to give the same kind of useless trivia about it as he did with these toys.

It should be noted that the Lego Bionicles are pretty much the most popular "good guy" fighting robot toys out today. (Transformers might have surpassed them slightly with the movie tie-ins, but that is a competing sci-fi franchise.) Daleks, Borg, and Battle Droids are all "bad guys". Having John Henry play with "good guy" fighting robots is some awesome irony if he is in fact child skynet.

[Tsyroc]

I liked this episode.

The stuff focusing on Sarah was good, and the actress did a very good job of appearing wounded and not "John Wayne shot in the leg/shoulder wounded". It looked like it fucking hurt a lot and that she might die. None of that, "It's just a flesh wound" crap. I even liked the phantom Kyle. The doctor being familiar with battered women was okay, having her being the secretly battered wife of the sherif kind of blew, especially when and how it was finally revealed. I didn't like that she was left thinking that Sarah had been lying to her the whole time but from Sarah's standpoint that was the best way to go.

I liked Derek in this episode. His interaction with John and his phone conversations with Sarah were good.

John wasn't horrible but he needs to get past his need to whine like Buffy Summers about what a shit hand life has dealt him, and how he wants a normal life. (Actually, based on that he should be bitching a lot more since he didn't get super powers out of the deal). I did like him standing up to Derek, and I also liked Derek being able to throw that back in his face as well.

I don't know what is up with Jesse but she was a real bitch in this episode. I thought annoying blonde should have just taken off on Jesse. Head somewhere she knew would get FUBAR on Judgement Day and lived it up as best she could until that happened, or gone to some place that wasn't hit hard during JD or after. I really hope that someone finds out about her and/or Jesse soon because this shit is getting annoying. I kept expecting something about Riley to tip off Cameron, John or Derek as to where she originally came from.

The stuff with John Henry was pretty cool. Ellison, kind of so-so. The same with Weaver. She looked good in white but I was not impressed with how they showed her taking out all the people in the warehouse. Some where done okay, others were kind of on the sad side.

For people in hiding and fighting a secret war there sure has been a lot of shit going on behind the backs of Sarah and John. Cameron sneaking off to the library. Derek sneaking off and banging his hot girlfriend from another future time line. Riley and Jesse doing their bullshit to John. Ellison stealing Cromartie's body and then going to work for Weaver. At least Cameron searched Ellison's yard, but that was it. Don't they believe in electronic bugs and cameras?

I hope they clear up some of this shit soon.

[Sarevok]

One thing was confusing and did not make sense.

The T-1000 was cutting down people in Weaver form ! Even if one guy got away or a single camera snapshot was recovered her entire cover could be jeopardized. The fact she had no guns either makes it far worse. T-1000s are fast but there were lots of people running away. She had very little time to reach them all before some kind of word got out to rest of the world.

[Anguirus]

^ She always seems to do that. I think that is the inherent problem with casting a series...you have to give your leads something to *do.*

Mind you, I think it's much lamer that they'll shove her into scenes by having her resume the form right after she's infiltrated something. It was obvious that Weaver was assuming another form in several past episodes...we didn't need to get clocked over the head with it. Her playing killbot was a little more excusable IMO, especially since she blew up the whole building.

[Feil]

Feh. The only really good part of the last episode was the prospect of no more Riley. Aaaaand, she's back.

2, because Sarah's part was good.