Just read WWZ
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Re: Just read WWZ
If those zombies were magicked enough to arm themselves with firearms and had magically decomposed brains capable of tactical thought, and came at us in overwhelming numbers, we'd still be able to beat them - by digging trenches and setting up machinegun nests and mowing them down like goddamn Germans in the Great War.
So, yeah. Even if those decomposing flesh-eaters had working brains and had firearms rather than their cavity-cratered teeths, we'd STILL kick their asses and ruin their undead shit!
But, I don't know. Perhaps humanity's defeat was not due to the fault of the military - but due to the civilian side of things? If the politicians are reluctant to authorize the mass destruction of entire cities full of former fellow citizens, if civilians act like morons and don't follow military/civil defense announcements, etcetera etcetera, then the military *might* end up being slightly inconvenienced. It's not as if stupid decisions haven't been made ever, in the history of humanity.
The military's cool with killing shit. Everyone else, not so, and it'd be up to the military to save everyone's annoying shit asses. If the strategic situation was analogized as a horror movie, then civilians and politicians might play the part of the annoying noisy asshole jock/nerd/slut who fucks the whole situation up even worse and gets everyone killed. Won't be the military's fault though.
So, yeah. Even if those decomposing flesh-eaters had working brains and had firearms rather than their cavity-cratered teeths, we'd STILL kick their asses and ruin their undead shit!
But, I don't know. Perhaps humanity's defeat was not due to the fault of the military - but due to the civilian side of things? If the politicians are reluctant to authorize the mass destruction of entire cities full of former fellow citizens, if civilians act like morons and don't follow military/civil defense announcements, etcetera etcetera, then the military *might* end up being slightly inconvenienced. It's not as if stupid decisions haven't been made ever, in the history of humanity.
The military's cool with killing shit. Everyone else, not so, and it'd be up to the military to save everyone's annoying shit asses. If the strategic situation was analogized as a horror movie, then civilians and politicians might play the part of the annoying noisy asshole jock/nerd/slut who fucks the whole situation up even worse and gets everyone killed. Won't be the military's fault though.
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The zombie virus in WWZ has a lengthy enough incubation period and can be spread through transplanted organs, while events were exacerbated by that jackass pharmacist tycoon who was peddling the Phalanx, a faux vaccine that was pure quackery.
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'Secondly, I don't see why "income inequality" is a bad thing. Poverty is not an injustice. There is no such thing as causes for poverty, only causes for wealth. Poverty is not a wrong, but taking money from those who have it to equalize incomes is basically theft, which is wrong.' - Typical Randroid
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Yeah, but you'd have to be a fool to buy into it Phalanx. People just did so in the story because they didn't pay attention to the problem until the zombies were at their doors. Literally. Anyone with half a brain would ask how the heck you could come up with something like that in such a short time, has it been tested, how well does it work, etc? Not to mention the fact that zombies can STILL kill you even if you are immune to them.Big Orange wrote:The zombie virus in WWZ has a lengthy enough incubation period and can be spread through transplanted organs, while events were exacerbated by that jackass pharmacist tycoon who was peddling the Phalanx, a faux vaccine that was pure quackery.
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If it was such an emergency situation why didn't the government just arrest the guy and shut down his manufacturing plant?
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This was my favorite "interview" of the whole book. Too bad it wasn't in the audio book.
TOPEKA, KANSAS, USA
[Sharon could be considered beautiful by almost any standard - with long red hair,
sparkling green eyes, and the body of a dancer or a prewar supermodel. She also has
the mind of a four-yeai-old girl]
We are at the Rothman Rehabilitation Home for Feral Children. Doctor Roberta Kelner,
Sharon's caseworker, describes her condition as "lucky." "At least she has language
skills, a cohesive thought process," she explains. "It's rudimentary, but at least it's fully
functional." Doctor Kelner is eager for the interview, but Doctor Sommers, Rothman's
program director, is not. Funding has always been spotty for this program, and the
present administration is threatening to close it down altogether.
[Sharon is shy at first. She will not shake my hand and seldom makes eye contact.
Although Sharon was found in the ruins of Wichita, there is no way of knowing where her
story originally occurred.]
We were in church, Mommy and me. Daddy cold us that he would come find us.
Daddy had to go do something. We had to wait for him in church.
Everybody was there. They all had stuff. They had cereal, and water, and juice,
and sleeping bags and flashlights and ... [she mimes a rifle]. Mrs. Randolph had
one. She wasn't supposed to. They were dangerous. She told me they were
dangerous. She was Ashley's mommy. Ashley was my friend. I asked her where
was Ashley. She started to cry. Mommy told me not to ask her about Ashley and
told Mrs. Randolph that she was sorry. Mrs. Randolph was dirty, she had red and
brown on her dress. She was fat. She had big, soft arms.
There were other kids, Jill and Abbie, and other kids. Mrs. McGraw was watching
them. They had crayons. They were coloring on the wall. Mommy told me to go
play with them. She told me it was okay. She said Pastor Dan said it was okay.
Pastor Dan was there, he was trying to make people listen to him. "Please
everyone . . ." (she mimics a deep, low voice] "please stay calm, the 'thor-ties' are
coming, just stay calm and wait for the 'thorties.' " No one was listening to him.
Everyone was talking, nobody was sitting. People were trying to talk on their
things [mimes holding a cell phone], they were angry at their things, throwing
them, and saying bad words. I felt bad for Pastor Dan. (She mimics the sound of a
siren.] Outside. (She does it again, starting soft, then growing, then fading out
again multiple times.)
Mommy was talking to Mrs. Cormode and other mommies. They were fighting.
Mommy was getting mad. Mrs. Cormode kept saying (in an angry drawl], "Well
what if? What else can you do?' Mommy was shaking her head. Mrs. Cormode
was talking with her hands. I didn't like Mrs. Cormode. She was Pastor Dan's wife.
She was bossy and mean.
Somebody yelled . . . "Here they come!" Mommy came and picked me up. They
Took our bench and put it next to the door. They put all the benches next to the
door. "Quick!" "Jam the door!" (She mimics several different voices.! "I need a
hammer!" "Nails!" "They're in the parking lot!" "They're coming this way!" She
turns to Doctor Kelner. Can I?
[Doctor Sommers looks unsure. Doctor Kelner smiles and nods. I later learn that the
room is soundproofed for this reason.!
WORLD WAR Z 75
[Sharon mimics the moan of a zombie. It is undoubtedly the most realistic I have ever
heard. Clearly, by their discomfort, Sommers and Kelner agree.]
They were coming. They came bigger. [Again she moans. Then follows up by pounding
her right fist on the table.] They wanted to come in. [Her blows are powerful,
mechanical.] People screamed. Mommy hugged me tight. "It's okay." [Her voice softens
as she begins to stroke her own hair.] "I won't let them get you. Shhhh. . . ."
[Now she bangs both fists on the table, her strikes becoming more chaotic
as if to simulate multiple ghouls.] "Brace the door!" "Hold it! Hold it!" [She simulates the
sound of shattering glass.) The windows broke, the windows in the front next to the door.
The lights got black. Grown-ups got scared. They screamed.
[Her voice returns to her mother's.) "Shhhh . . . baby. I won't let them get you."
[Her hands go from her hair to her face, gently stroking her forehead and cheeks. Sharon
gives Kelner a questioning look. Kelner nods. Sharon's voice suddenly simulates the
sound of something large breaking, a deep phlegm-filled rumble from the bottom of her
throat.]
"They're coming in! Shoot 'em, shoot 'em!" [She makes the sound of gunfire then
.. .] "I won't let them get you, I won't let them get you."
[Sharon suddenly looks away, over my shoulder to something that isn't there.]
"The children! Don't let them get the children!" That was Mrs. Cormode. "Save the children! Save the children!"
[Sharon makes more gunshots. She balls her hands into a large double fist, bringing it down hard
on an invisible form.] Now the kids started crying. [She simulates stabbing, punching,
striking with objects.) Abbie cried hard. Mrs. Cormode picked her up. [She mimes lifting
something, or someone, up and swinging them against the wall.] And then Abbie
stopped. [She goes back to stroking her own face, her mother's voice has become
harder.] "Shhh . . . it's okay, baby, it's okay . . ." [Her hands move down from her lace to
her throat, tightening into a strangling grip.] "I won't let them get you. I WON'T LET
THEM GET YOU!"
[Sharon begins to gasp for air.]
[Doctor Sommers makes a move to stop her. Doctor Kelner puts up a hand. Sharon
suddenly ceases, throwing her arms out to the sound of a gunshot.]
Warm and wet, salty in my mouth, stinging my eyes. Arms picked me up and
carried me. [She gets up from the table, mimicking a motion close to a football.]
Carried me into the parking lot. "Run, Sharon, don't stop!" [This is a different
voice now, not her mother's.] "Just run, run-run run!" They pulled her away from
me. Her arms let me go. They were big, soft arms.
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Re: Just read WWZ
Shroom Man 777 wrote: But, I don't know. Perhaps humanity's defeat was not due to the fault of the military - but due to the civilian side of things? If the politicians are reluctant to authorize the mass destruction of entire cities full of former fellow citizens, if civilians act like morons and don't follow military/civil defense announcements, etcetera etcetera, then the military *might* end up being slightly inconvenienced. It's not as if stupid decisions haven't been made ever, in the history of humanity.
IIRC in the novel at least, we see the Russian's wrecking the shit out of the zombies with tanks, rockets, and bombs. I seem to remember them also VX'ing a large group of people for some reason. It's been a while since I've read the book so feel free to make corrections.
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IIRC in the novel at least, we see the Russian's wrecking the shit out of the zombies with tanks, rockets, and bombs. I seem to remember them also VX'ing a large group of people for some reason. It's been a while since I've read the book so feel free to make corrections.[/quote]
Yes, the Russians used VX to sort the infected from the non-infected in a very large group of refugees. Those that died and stayed down were not infected, those that got back up were met with Mr. Firepower.
Yes, the Russians used VX to sort the infected from the non-infected in a very large group of refugees. Those that died and stayed down were not infected, those that got back up were met with Mr. Firepower.
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Yes, the Russians used VX to sort the infected from the non-infected in a very large group of refugees. Those that died and stayed down were not infected, those that got back up were met with Mr. Firepower.[/quote]Dargos wrote:IIRC in the novel at least, we see the Russian's wrecking the shit out of the zombies with tanks, rockets, and bombs. I seem to remember them also VX'ing a large group of people for some reason. It's been a while since I've read the book so feel free to make corrections.
Instead of just tying them up and waiting for them to die and rise from the grave... yeah, the Russian act insane in the novel- especially with the whole "Holy Russian Empire".
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Just shows Brooks also knows fuck nothing about politics, culture and foreign societies as well. Russian's arent that prone to theocracy. Not to mention that in his book everyone acts insane, so that's not really unexpected. Professional armies failing to destroy a bunch of walking corpses in the entire world, that's awesome. I never expected US writers to be knowledgeable about other cultures anyway - most of the time they know fuck nothing. Rare exceptions like say Herbert are only enforcing the rule.Samuel wrote:...yeah, the Russian act insane in the novel- especially with the whole "Holy Russian Empire".
Strange how what I read of German sci-fi (Hohlbein, for example) pays a great deal of attention to other national cultures, and often portrays them fairly true to life, or Polish writers like Lem who depict lots of societies with a careful eye.
I haven't seen a decent depiction of either China or Russia in US sci-fi novels ever - perhaps just bad luck?
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Not to defend the book, but the Ulkrainian (not Russian in that chapter) soldiers were outnumbered by refugees around ten to one, and had already lost several soldiers to rioting from simply trying to keep them in a straight line and consent to strip-searches for bite-marks. Tying everyone up would be a bit unreasonable in that circumstance.Samuel wrote:Instead of just tying them up and waiting for them to die and rise from the grave... yeah, the Russian act insane in the novel- especially with the whole "Holy Russian Empire".Dargos wrote:Yes, the Russians used VX to sort the infected from the non-infected in a very large group of refugees. Those that died and stayed down were not infected, those that got back up were met with Mr. Firepower.IIRC in the novel at least, we see the Russian's wrecking the shit out of the zombies with tanks, rockets, and bombs. I seem to remember them also VX'ing a large group of people for some reason. It's been a while since I've read the book so feel free to make corrections.
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To be fair the best bit of the book was the bit with the Chinese nuclear submarine and how they coped on the zombie infested high seas, interacting with the strange "boat town" colonies, being on the run from the Red Chinese authorities, and dealing the killing blow in the high intensity Chinese civil war.Stas Bush wrote: I haven't seen a decent depiction of either China or Russia in US sci-fi novels ever - perhaps just bad luck?
'Alright guard, begin the unnecessarily slow moving dipping mechanism...' - Dr. Evil
'Secondly, I don't see why "income inequality" is a bad thing. Poverty is not an injustice. There is no such thing as causes for poverty, only causes for wealth. Poverty is not a wrong, but taking money from those who have it to equalize incomes is basically theft, which is wrong.' - Typical Randroid
'I think it's gone a little bit wrong.' - The Doctor
'Secondly, I don't see why "income inequality" is a bad thing. Poverty is not an injustice. There is no such thing as causes for poverty, only causes for wealth. Poverty is not a wrong, but taking money from those who have it to equalize incomes is basically theft, which is wrong.' - Typical Randroid
'I think it's gone a little bit wrong.' - The Doctor