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Fossil skull of giant toothy seabird found in Peru

LIMA, Peru – The unusually intact fossilized skull of a giant, bony-toothed seabird that lived up to 10 million years ago was found on Peru's arid southern coast, researchers said Friday.

The fossil is the best-preserved cranium ever found of a pelagornithid, a family of large seabirds believed to have gone extinct some 3 million years ago, said Rodolfo Salas, head of vertebrate paleontology at Peru's National History Museum.

The museum said in a statement that the birds had wingspans of up to 20 feet (6 meters) and may have used the toothlike projections on their beaks to prey on slippery fish and squid. But studying members of the Pelagornithidae family has been difficult because their extremely thin bones — while helpful for keeping the avian giants aloft — tended not to survive as fossils.

"Its fossils are very strange, very rare and very hard to find," Salas told The Associated Press.

The cranium discovered in Peru is 16 inches (40 centimeters) long and is believed to be 8 million to 10 million years old, based on the age of the rock bed in which it was found.

"Rarely are any bones of these gigantic, marine birds found fossilized uncrushed, and to find an uncrushed skull of this size is very significant," said Ken Campbell, curator of vertebrate zoology at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles.

Campbell, who examined photos of the find but was not involved in the dig, said he knows of "no specimen of comparable quality."

Dan Kepska, a paleontology researcher at North Carolina State University who also was not part of the project, agreed that the skull is the most complete ever reported.

He called the birds "one of the great enigmas of avian paleontology."

With fossils discovered in North America, North Africa and even Antarctica, Kepska said, the birds were ubiquitous only a few million years before humans evolved and scientists puzzle over why they died out. Some believe they are related to gannets and pelicans, while other say they are related to ducks.

Campbell said the Peru find "will undoubtedly be of great importance to our understanding of these gigantic birds, and it will help clarify the relationships of the other fossil pelagornithids found in the Pisco Formation."

The formation, a coastal rock bed south of the capital, Lima, is known for yielding fossils of whales, dolphins, turtles and other marine life dating as far back as 14 million years.
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But remember, speciation is just a myth. This was just some odd individual mutant bird that was born with teeth... or it might have been planted there by the evil atheist scientists.

At any rate, very cool. I don't know about anyone else, but the concept of a giant bird freaks me the fuck out. Ever been attacked by a goose or angry crow? They can jack you up. Imagine what an enormous predatory bird with teeth could do.
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Superman wrote:At any rate, very cool. I don't know about anyone else, but the concept of a giant bird freaks me the fuck out. Ever been attacked by a goose or angry crow? They can jack you up. Imagine what an enormous predatory bird with teeth could do.
It'd still use the beak and talons, the teeth are not for biting the same way ours are. I've actually been attacked by a goose, a tern and one exceptionally pissed off blue tit. Goose and swan are big enough to do some serious damage and terns will peck you bloody in no time flat. They have a needle sharp beak, one peck and you'll bleed like a stuck pig.

One of the more impressive sights I've seen was when we stopped by the road in northern Norway right next to a colony of terns (more than 1000 of them). They didn't give a damn about the car, but as soon as we got out, hundreds of terns lifted off the ground to join the several hundred already in the air and they set up a deafening racket. We obviously did NOT hazard going any closer.

Big owls are also something you want to steer clear of. They will literally rip your eyes out and the really big ones like Ural owl, great grey owl and eagle owl will throw in a concussion for free.

My father had a disagreement with a Ural owl 20 years ago. He lost it and almost lost one of his eyes in that incident too. His sight was only saved because he was wearing very thick, very sturdy glasses (which did not survive) and even then it was a near thing, one millimeter more and he'd be blind in one eye. Without glasses, it'd have ripped half his face off. He still looked like somebody had beaten him to a pulp three days later and the bruises persisted for a couple of weeks. One kg of predatory bird, claws first to the face at 60 km/h is no joking matter.
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Very interesting. I wouldn't want to meet one of them in the wild, birds can be dangerous enough at their current size.

Of course, the fundies will just say this was planted by Satan as a test of their face.
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A test of their face? ;-)

I wouldn't mind meeting one of these birds in the wild; I'm not a fish, I'm too heavy for them to carry away to eat, and so long as I keep away from their nests I'm probably fine.

Yeah, birds are very protective of their little ones. I once saw a baby robin on the ground and I bent over to see if it was injured. It scooted away fast (I guess it was okay) and then Mama Robin dive bombed me. Little robin, banshee screech of vengeance. When she turned around for another pass I ran inside. Contrast that with the thousand other times I've been near an adult robin where their young aren't threatened, and they just feed a few feet away all nonchalantly.
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Superman wrote:But remember, speciation is just a myth. This was just some odd individual mutant bird that was born with teeth... or it might have been planted there by the evil atheist scientists.
I like to read such articles just because they are interesting.....
Granted there is a very real fight between creationist and all real scientists but such articles don't phase them and it is much like somebody who believes we never landed on the moon.
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Kitsune wrote:I like to read such articles just because they are interesting.....
Granted there is a very real fight between creationist and all real scientists but such articles don't phase them and it is much like somebody who believes we never landed on the moon.
Yeah, that's true. When you really get down to it, they couldn't care less about objective evidence... even when that evidence happens to be one the so called 'transitional fossils' that they keep demanding to see.
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Superman wrote:Yeah, that's true. When you really get down to it, they couldn't care less about objective evidence... even when that evidence happens to be one the so called 'transitional fossils' that they keep demanding to see.
Most of the time you corner them and they will never give an answer of what is a transitional fossil although they try to deny all of the transitional fossils there are. They state that one is an all human although another creationist might state that it is another creature. I believe one stated that Turkana Boy was a human and another stated that he was an ape.

The only one who seems to have ever actually given a definition of a transition fossil was a Turkish / Muslim creationist. His seemed to be a cockaduck type creature.
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