Gundam 00 - Second Season.

[Commander 598]

I try to ignore things out of MSG since it was made in the era of Super Robots and the OVAs plus new additions have practically retconned about half of it into non-existence.

Hasn't the Gelgoog shown up in most of the UC OVAs and stuff since MSG anyway?

IGLOO 1 - No.
IGLOO 2 - Yes.
IGLOO 3 - None so far.
08th Team - Nein. (MAHQ seems to list it though...)
0080 - Gelgoog Jaeger
0081 - ???
0083 - Gelgoog Marines everywhere.

I don't think I've ever really seen it going melee with a beam saber in the OAVs though. The Gelgoog Marine Commander (Cima's) is listed as having a single bladed beam saber though, and Gato's Gelgoog was seen only using a single bladed saber. (Visually speaking it's not even capable of dual blades)

[VF5SS]

Well Von Kuspen's Gelgoog is just a high maneuver type (MS-14B) so it equips the beam naginata underneath the backpack. Gato's Gelgoog in 0083 enters the scene by chopping a GM in half. I don't think you guys understand Gundam. Nothing ever really gets retconned out. Only the animated features are official anyways.

[Commander 598]

Well Von Kuspen's Gelgoog is just a high maneuver type (MS-14B) so it equips the beam naginata underneath the backpack. Gato's Gelgoog in 0083 enters the scene by chopping a GM in half. I don't think you guys understand Gundam. Nothing ever really gets retconned out. Only the animated features are official anyways.

Of course nothing ever really gets retconned out, but good luck finding it in anything new. When was the last time you saw a Zaku perched on one of those flying platforms or an original Guntank?

[Ford Prefect]

original Guntank?

Ecole du Ciel!

As an aside, I honestly do not like the Gelgoog design, and at the same time I'm glad they did not make a CE GELGOOG.

[VF5SS]

Wow that's some QUALITY animation there. Of course none of that changes the fact that Char's Gelgoog still had its beam naginata in CCA.

I'm glad they did not make a CE GELGOOG.

Ahem

[Ypoknons]

08th Team - Nein. (MAHQ seems to list it though...)
0080 - Gelgoog Jaeger
0081 - ???
0083 - Gelgoog Marines everywhere.

08th MS Team has two in the epilogue episode. They were blown up at the beginning defending the newtypey kids.

[Commander 598]

Of course none of that changes the fact that Char's Gelgoog still had its beam naginata in CCA.

This honestly gives me some stock footage vibes. This scene also featured an unmodified original Gundam design.

[VF5SS]

That scene was totally re-animated for the movie. Of course they're going to use the original Gundam design because that's what you do when you make a sequel.

[Ford Prefect]

Ahem

Mother of God. That said, Astray isn't half bad, so I can forgive it.

[Commander 598]

That scene was totally re-animated for the movie. Of course they're going to use the original Gundam design because that's what you do when you make a sequel.

Well if it's re-animated they didn't bother altering the designs AT ALL. CCA had detailed enough designs that you could actually differentiate hands from the rest of the machine by color, let alone the actual appearance of them. MSG 0079: The original QUALITY.

[Ford Prefect]

Well if it's re-animated they didn't bother altering the designs AT ALL.

Yeah, I think that's the point. It is literally lifted directly from MSG, just with superior animation. I actually wouldn't have minded seeing CCA redesigns of those suits, though.

[VF5SS]

Just to add to the list of proper Gelgoogs, the ones used by the Zeon remnants in ZZ were almost identical to the original OYW version with updated cockpits. Also, Zeta Gundam featured Chekov's Gelgoog, which Yazan would end up stealing a beam naganata from.

[Marikina]

While SEED had a couple of solid swords, none of them had the sheer style of the Exia's GN Switchblade. Even the way it was attached to Exia's arm was cleverly done to ensure that it would never get in the way of the hands when they were needed. 00's huge GN Sword III seems like some kind of oversized poseur.

It's only oversized in the model kit. In the anime it looks to be the same size as Exia's blade, at least based on the preview.

[VF5SS]

So when we last left our heroes, Setsuna and Graham we're having naked time. So apparently Billy's uncle is the one who facilitated Graham's turn to the weeaboo side (complete with meditating under a waterfall). And it turns out Graham's samurai MS hides the face of a Flag. Also I laughed out loud when Ribbonz showed us with his army of Bring Stabity type innovators. Oh yeah, the O Gundam is going to join the fight. Looks like the spoilers are true. So the other Gundams got their own lame upgrades (hello kit re-issue) like Arios got Macross style FAST packs and the such. And hey, Kataron managed to be useful in this episode. The best part of this episode is the death of Fatman. He held on for a while, but now hopefully all of the disturbing fanart of him will die with him.
Spoiler

Ribbonz: hay regene, i can reads your mind! BOOM HEADSHOT!

[Manus Celer Dei]

0 Gundam in RX-78-2 colours was awesome. Can't help but wonder how useful it'll actually be though. I mean, Aheads are about equal to the S1 Gundams in terms of performance, apparently, so unless they upgraded it a whooooole lot I can't imagine the 0 will be effective. And the question of it's pilot...Lasse maybe? Be cool to see him in an actual suit.

Im amazed they found a way to strap more guns onto the Seravee.

Oh, and that shot of Ribbons and his army was fucking ridiculous. There's so many better ways they could've done that reveal but apparently they just said "Nah fuck it, just dump them all in Ribbons' throne room and pull back, that'll do."

Also there's no way what happened after the credits will stick.

[Seggybop]

Spoiler

Ribbonz: hay regene, i can reads your mind! BOOM HEADSHOT!

I was completely awestruck and filled with hope for the remainder of the show. Then the preview ran, and I was left with nothing but bitterness....

[Ford Prefect]

I mean, Aheads are about equal to the S1 Gundams in terms of performance

They're superior, as I recall. As you can imagine, in the manga (where everyone has third generation Gundams) this should translate to 'It's an Ahead!?' as opposed to the classic 'It's a Gundam!?'

[Manus Celer Dei]

I mean, Aheads are about equal to the S1 Gundams in terms of performance

They're superior, as I recall. As you can imagine, in the manga (where everyone has third generation Gundams) this should translate to 'It's an Ahead!?' as opposed to the classic 'It's a Gundam!?'

Wait, what? Does the manga significantly deviate or something? How come they're still using the third-generation ones?

[VF5SS]

The One Year Clone War.

I want everyone to look at that image. That is a fucking triumph of photoshop right there. Fucking Ribbonz has an army of dull-witted mullet dudes. All of them identical, standing in the exact same pose all the way up the stairs. This is where Gundam 00 plays chicken with an oncoming train and either way, it's going to end with a bang.

Oh and Bandai Entertainment has starting putting Season 1 on their youtube page. You can catch it dubbed or subbed.

[avatarxprime]

I mean, Aheads are about equal to the S1 Gundams in terms of performance

They're superior, as I recall. As you can imagine, in the manga (where everyone has third generation Gundams) this should translate to 'It's an Ahead!?' as opposed to the classic 'It's a Gundam!?'

Wait, what? Does the manga significantly deviate or something? How come they're still using the third-generation ones?

He's most likely talking about the side-stories that feature other branches of Celestial Being. They have at best 3rd gen tech, but how are any of the suits even being powered? Ian took the 0 Gundam so where are the others getting GN Particles from?

Spoiler

Ribbonz: hay regene, i can reads your mind! BOOM HEADSHOT!

Spoiler

It's possible that was all in Regene's mind. Ribbons was forcefully activating Regene's quantum brainwaves at the time so who says that wasn't all an illusion in his mind. Either that or it was a Doombot.

[Ford Prefect]

Wait, what? Does the manga significantly deviate or something? How come they're still using the third-generation ones?

The side stories deal with an earlier generation of Meisters, like Feldt's parents. They're actually active with their Gundams in between the seasons, while the current gen Meisters are dead/imprisoned/solid snaking, and borrow the Solar Furnaces to get themselves going. They're hilariously out of date. 'Three GNX-III's!? TORANS-AM!'

[Dendrobius]

I can't remember where I got this from, I think it was from the 00 Mechanics book (http://www.hlj.com/product/FTB46442). With regards to relative power levels of the MSs in S1 and S2:

If you rate all 3rd Gen Gundams (Exia, et al) with no Trans-Am at 100, all 4th Gen Gundams bar 00 would be 150, and the Ahead would be 140 . So yeah, the Ahead ain't that shabby on paper. Then again, we've seen Mistah Bushido fight the 00 to a standstill with a lightly modified Ahead, so it's believable.

GN-X IIIs aren't bad either, a good pilot like Patrick (I can't believe I'm saying this) has been shown to beat Aheads down with no issues. So it wouldn't be far off that 140 mark either.

3rd Gen Gundams vs Aheads and GN-X IIIs? I don't like their chances. As for 0 Gundam, I hope like heck Linda Vashti seriously overhauled it and didn't just bung in a GN Condenser into there, or else Lasse's getting a Gundam shaped coffin...

[Ford Prefect]

Dendrobius reminded me, and I feel silly about this, but when I say '3rd generation' in my last couple of posts, I generally mean second generation. I had totally forgotten that apart from the 00 the Meisters (and A-LAWS for that matter) are still in the third, albeit on the cutting edge of it. Only the 00 is 4th generation technology.

[Ypoknons]

If you rate all 3rd Gen Gundams (Exia, et al) with no Trans-Am at 100, all 4th Gen Gundams bar 00 would be 150, and the Ahead would be 140 . So yeah, the Ahead ain't that shabby on paper. Then again, we've seen Mistah Bushido fight the 00 to a standstill with a lightly modified Ahead, so it's believable.

Plenty of fans have speculated that the Meisters are just "normal pilots" but the Aheads' relative power points towards them being actually pretty good pilots, just not Ali or Graham good.

As for 0 Gundam, it would probably have been easier to restore Exia (Nadleeh and Dynames might have been consumed for parts) but the 0 Gundam has always been in one piece. Appears that Linda and them don't two about any of the 2nd gens either?

[pj1351]

Plenty of fans have speculated that the Meisters are just "normal pilots" but the Aheads' relative power points towards them being actually pretty good pilots, just not Ali or Graham good.

Ehhh... Disregarding 00 & Trans-Am, doesn't the rating quoted earlier mean that the 3rd gen Gundams used by the Meisters are only 7.2% higher in performance than Aheads (140 x 1.072 = 150.08)? How does that make the Meisters just normal pilots and Aheads' pilots actually pretty good pilots?