SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VI

[K. A. Pital]

Since every-fucking-body else is all into this "new, improved, larger" military kick, I guess I have to follow suit to maintain strategic balance and all that.

You're spending dozens of billions on new carrier hulls and expanding the run of 5th generation planes, and you think you're "off balance"? Well, well.

Also, since when did we make our militaries "larger"? I comission hulls just to barely replace the old fleet, same for the airforce and army. The force levels stay at more or less constant size. And I wouldn't really manage an expansion with this latest crisis anyway.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

So, how about that license for the Visbys?

The "Yes that can be arranged" is for the Visbys. Tell you what, I think my companies don't mind taking a stake in your companies. That will smooth out some intellectual property issues.

So, Constantinople Shipyards wants to buy Nergal Heavy Industries shares? How many do you want?

PS: I also decided to throw in my amusement at the usual arms acquisition process around here: world leaders sees shiny toys, orders them on the spot. No need to finish that world tour before giving all your business away, eh Shinn?

Speaking of shiny toys, I still need to buy some carrier aircraft off you. I'll write you a check for $800 million for the following items:

- 8 x S-3C Viking
- 4 x KC-3C Viking
- 4 x ES-3C Shadow
- 4 x E-2D Hawkeye

I've decided that I'm going to use F/A-18Fs and EA-18Gs instead of A-6Fs and EA-6Es; Shroom can hook me up with those. I'll also be reactivating my old TA-4s for carrier training until I can get a navalized version of the T-50 (an undeclared project that I've been working on completely behind the scenes for some time) operational.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

So, Constantinople Shipyards wants to buy Nergal Heavy Industries shares? How many do you want?

How about 5%? I might be willing to fund the development of the T-50 if it is the Korean jet trainer.

[K. A. Pital]

Having 5th gen fighters but 4+ generation bombers is no longer satisfactory. The CATO will be switching to full five generation everywhere. As for PAK-DA long range stratobomber, it should be rapidly nearing prototype stage or even having the prototypes already flying off.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Having 5th gen fighters but 4+ generation bombers is no longer satisfactory. The CATO will be switching to full five generation everywhere. As for PAK-DA long range stratobomber, it should be rapidly nearing prototype stage or even having the prototypes already flying off.

I guess I'm going to hand wave the fighters that were in trials to be the Su-53 and not the Su-54...... *makes changes*

[K. A. Pital]

Your Su-54 analogue could've taken off faster than the USCR one, after all . But generally, such an over-sized craft would take more time to make compared to baseline Su-50.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Your Su-54 analogue could've taken off faster than the USCR one, after all . But generally, such an over-sized craft would take more time to make compared to baseline Su-50.

True. I'm off to go trace back some old posts to say it was the SU-53 that completed trials rather. That way, we can at least rationalise the fact that the aircraft was carrier worthy and can have catapult assisted take offs.

[Shroom Man 777]

Stas, I'm going with the assumption that Shroomanian F-22s are basically the Shroomanian analogue to the SU-50 baseline (which according to Fingolfin is a joint Byzantine-Shroomanian BAM and Crimson Sukhoi thing), since the SU-50 itself is practically a F-22 analog anyway - 5th generation, stealthy, etc.

Wouldn't the SU-53 be analogous to the hypothesized FB-22 then? Because that's what I'm designating the future SU-53s I'll be using.

(Blah, you should've mentioned Shroomanian guys along with the Byzantine dudes in that COMMUNE post of yers. )

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Stas, I'm going with the assumption that Shroomanian F-22s are basically the Shroomanian analogue to the SU-50 baseline (which according to Fingolfin is a joint Byzantine-Shroomanian BAM and Crimson Sukhoi thing), since the SU-50 itself is practically a F-22 analog anyway - 5th generation, stealthy, etc.

Wouldn't the SU-53 be analogous to the hypothesized FB-22 then? Because that's what I'm designating the future SU-53s I'll be using.

I think you mean SU-54.

Yes, it's bloody confusing and my head is breaking in many pieces.

[Shroom Man 777]

Aurgh! By Su-53 I meant the fighter-bomber version of the Su-50 - the Su-54. I'm gonna designate it FB-22 anyway.

[Czechmate]

Seriously? I just knew someone would be willing to pay handsomely for that piece of junk. Call it 10 mil ROBs. All classified equipment will be stripped before sale. You might be able to get another 5-10 years of life out of it, but I'm not going to be optimistic about it. Note that it is a CV, not a CVN.

Sold. And don't worry, I'm not planning to use it as a carrier . You'll see...

Ah, amusement park centerpiece then. And I just realized I mis-calculated the scrap steel price: should be 20 million ROBs. Sorry.

Congratulations, New Owner! You've bought a locally built (not purchased) carrier of 1960s vintage. It is a Midway-class ship, upgraded to the SCB-101 standard seen here:



I find it odd you're turning it into an amusement park, because it's still capable of operating CATOBAR aircraft and only needs some spitshine to work like new. But hey, if you want to turn it into this universe's equivalent of Varyag...

...it's your problem now!

[K. A. Pital]

Who the hell would need that hull? Varyag's frame isn't 50-60 years old - this hull is. Museum ship is it's best fate. Scrapping is what I'd recommend.

[Shroom Man 777]

Siege is turning it into an oversized Floating Pagoda Hong Kong boat-restaurant type of thing that'll feature authentic Tian Xian cuisine!

Like shark fins, bird's nests, sushi, dogs and pickled cobras and roasted insects!

With a wax statue of the Haung Di himself!



(By the way it was my idea all along!)

[DarthShady]

Aurgh! By Su-53 I meant the fighter-bomber version of the Su-50 - the Su-54. I'm gonna designate it FB-22 anyway.

Shroom, why not simply use CATO designations for the planes? No need to make things more confusing.

As for those talking about military expansion, the UCSR isn't really expanding anything at the moment. We are simply integrating the forces of the CSR and the USSR and replacing older, outdated stuff, with more modern equipment. Speaking of which, once I'm done putting together the new UCSR OOB, you can expect a lot of older Soviet equipment to become available for purchase.

[PeZook]

Dudes, I'm putting together a simple primer for people who'd like to get involved with SD.net world (as per Bean's request). It will have an upated map and everything, but I need some sort of a comprehensible map of the current situation in Velaria and onthe goddamned continent. If somebody could PM me those, I'd be really grateful.

[Siege]

Dudes, I'm putting together a simple primer for people who'd like to get involved with SD.net world (as per Bean's request). It will have an upated map and everything, but I need some sort of a comprehensible map of the current situation in Velaria and onthe goddamned continent. If somebody could PM me those, I'd be really grateful.

I'll compose a quick-and-dirty map on the situation in Frequesue and send it to you.

[Master_Baerne]

If you could send it to me as well, I'd be very thankful.

[Shroom Man 777]

Shroom, why not simply use CATO designations for the planes? No need to make things more confusing.

Well, if the thing was conceived as a joint Byzantine-Shroomanian-Crimson thing with Byzantine Air MacMillan working with Sukhoi, then it would be kind of odd that Sukhoi would be the ones taking all the credit by having their name in the designation Su-50/53/54.

(Hey, even Fingolfin is getting confused with em!)

Besides, with future projects becoming joint all-CATO ones, I think it'd be in poor form for the projects to end up being designated Crimson-style with their designations only bearing the names MiG or Su(khoi) when we're all in it together rather than kowtowing to you Crimson-Shadow guys

The designation F would merely stand for 'fighter'. Or we could call our fighters 'CF' for Cato Fighter.

I support moving away from old fashioned Western or Soviet-style naming designations and giving ourselves new names (since we're making entirely new futuristic designs anyway!). For the future!

As for those talking about military expansion, the UCSR isn't really expanding anything at the moment. We are simply integrating the forces of the CSR and the USSR and replacing older, outdated stuff, with more modern equipment. Speaking of which, once I'm done putting together the new UCSR OOB, you can expect a lot of older Soviet equipment to become available for purchase.

Similarly, Shroomania has been neglecting updating its military for a while and what we're doing now is a necessary modernization. We're gonna be reaching the 2020s soon, it'll be THE FUTURE, we CAN'T just stick to vintage 1980s weapons systems mangs! I mean, shit, we're supposed to have flying cars and androids by now!

Joint Shroomanian-Crimson cybernetics sciences shall produce humaniform cybernetic organisms! Hyperalloy endoskeletons!

[Siege]

If you could send it to me as well, I'd be very thankful.

I might as well put it up here. I think I got pretty much everything, but if anyone thinks there's something missing let me know. (Click for enlarged version.)

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

If you could send it to me as well, I'd be very thankful.

I might as well put it up here. I think I got pretty much everything, but if anyone thinks there's something missing let me know. (Click for enlarged version.)

The situation in Minoy and the CFR actually looks a bit more like this:



1 is Mortimer's claim (with Saviour's Hide at the very southern tip), 2 is the Winter Army, 3 is most likely the last remnants of the Revolutionary Front, 4 is Minoy, 5 is the Southern Republic, the green part's the San Doradoan mandate, and the red is a combination of the Klavostani and Indhopali zones.

[Shroom Man 777]

That reminds me to create Ford Prefect's Country in Velaria. Through a bloodless Kung Fu Revolution that ends with peace, democracy and many broken bones!

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

So, Constantinople Shipyards wants to buy Nergal Heavy Industries shares? How many do you want?

How about 5%? I might be willing to fund the development of the T-50 if it is the Korean jet trainer.

Done.

Also, feel free to help fund further development of the T-50. I've only managed to build the basic T-50A and the T-50B/A-50 light striker, the latter of which is the one currently in service with the Langley Air Force; I've yet to get a navalized version or a full-blown F/A-50 off the ground.

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Done.

Also, feel free to help fund further development of the T-50. I've only managed to build the basic T-50A and the T-50B/A-50 light striker, the latter of which is the one currently in service with the Langley Air Force; I've yet to get a navalized version or a full-blown F/A-50 off the ground.

Excellent. I want to buy a few T-50As to replace some of my older trainers. Probably 36 for a start.

[Ryan Thunder]

The situation in Minoy and the CFR actually looks a bit more like this:
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I made that map, mind you. I'd trust Siege's interpretation of it over my own. I've got a pretty version of the map of Frequesque in Photoshop that I'll post up later today after I've modified it appropriately.

Oh, and the Miratian Harbour annex should be connected to Miratia. I'm building a rail line to it.

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On a slightly different note, will anybody sell Miratia an assault carrier, or will they have to build one themselves?

Oh, and how much for one of those FTO destroyers?

[Siege]

Oh, and the Miratian Harbour annex should be connected to Miratia. I'm building a rail line to it.

The rail line is the black line connecting the harbor to Miratia. You can't really claim all the land in-between however, because the Tanstaafl Raj would throw a fit if you did.

On a slightly different note, will anybody sell Miratia an assault carrier, or will they have to build one themselves?

We're willing to work with you in designing one.

Oh, and how for one of those FTO destroyers?

$1.5 billion apiece for fully armed and equipped destroyers.