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From yahoo.com news, first page.
By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent David Espo, Ap Special Correspondent – 1 hr 29 mins ago

WASHINGTON – For the first time since last fall's election, Democrats and the Obama administration are backpedaling furiously on an issue easily understood by financially strapped taxpayers: $165 million in bonuses paid out at bailed-out AIG.

Republicans, struggling to regain their political footing, are content to let Democrats try to dig their way out of this mess on their own.

Professing shock at the bonus payments, Democrats have embarked on a hurry-up effort to impose what amounts to confiscatory taxes on the bonuses, a maneuver that almost surely will be tested in the courts.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner enjoys President Barack Obama's confidence, according to the White House.

But the mood is less charitable among congressional Democrats. Republicans have made Geithner their top target, not surprising given Obama's continued high approval ratings.

"It's shocking that they would — the administration would come to us now and act surprised about these contracts," said Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., the Senate GOP leader. "This administration could have and should have ... prevented this from happening. They had a lot of leverage two weeks ago."

That would be when the Treasury Department decided to make an additional $30 billion available to American International Group Inc., the huge insurance conglomerate deemed too big to fail by two administrations.

Which goes to the crux of the Democrats' current political problem.

Gone are the days when they could merely bludgeon the Bush administration and promise to seek bipartisan solutions to the nation's economic problems.

Now, in control of the White House and Congress, they are struggling to come up with an explanation for what no one in either party seems moved to defend.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said AIG stands as a symbol of "greed and perhaps corruption."

Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., scoffed at AIG's claim that the money represents retention pay. "There are enough bright people in this country that would do the job for an honest salary, and enough honest taxpayers demanding that we put an end to this stuff. You can bet I'll make sure justice is served," he said.

But the bonus payments occurred on the Democrats' watch, and for Republicans, AIG seems politically providential.

Their overwhelming opposition to last month's stimulus bill appeared to be gaining little traction as Democrats showcase every shovelful of dirt that is turned — all in the name of economic recovery.

Criticism that Obama and Democrats are embarking on a new era of tax-and-spend is undercut by the lack of a budget alternative from Republicans — the party that presided over a historic run-up in the federal debt earlier this decade when it controlled both the White House and Congress.

Less than 100 days into the Obama administration, polls have brought little good news to Republicans.

While a recent Pew survey found some slippage in Obama's support, it also registered only 28 percent approval for the job being done by GOP congressional leaders, the lowest in nearly 14 years. And a separate survey by CNN and Opinion research Corp. put support for the president's handling of the economy at nearly 60 percent.

Against this backdrop, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs sought to explain AIG.

He told reporters that Geithner "last week engaged with the CEO of AIG to communicate what we thought were outrageous and unacceptable bonuses," and "received a commitment to lessen some of the bonuses for senior executives...."

Asked directly Obama is satisfied that he found out about the bonuses in a timely fashion, Gibbs said: "Yes, the president is satisfied."

The president "has complete confidence" in his Treasury secretary, Gibbs added, although Geithner's early tenure has been anything but smooth. The Cabinet official's introduction of a new plan to bail out the financial industry was widely panned, and his confirmation was held up earlier when it was disclosed he had paid $34,000 in back taxes.

Obama himself has been vocal on the need to do everything possible to recoup the money paid out in bonuses, and so far, no Democrats in Congress have tried to hold him to account.

But the Treasury Department isn't immune, even from Democrats.

"I'm outraged by this," said Baucus in a statement. "At one point the Treasury was in a position to stop these bonuses. Those were the terms of TARP, terms that I helped draft."

But talk of legislation only leads to more uncomfortable questions for Democrats.

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, and Ron Wyden, D-Ore., won passage of a provision earlier this year that they said would have prevented the type of payments now at the center of a storm.

It was dropped without explanation in the final compromise on the economic stimulus measure, replaced by a less restrictive set of conditions backed by Sen. Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., and accepted by the White House.

"The president goes out and says this is not acceptable and then some backroom deal gets cut to let these things get paid out anyway," said Wyden.
So let me get this stright.. The democrats, shocked SHOCKED that AIG and others have been giving out massive bonuses, are now actually trying to DO something about it... However, they are getting yelled out by the GOP for... giving the money to AIG in the first place? Let me think, WHO was in power during the majority of the Bank bailouts.. hmm.. Could be the Republicans?

I mean, sure, so its a little late that something is trying to be done about it, but for the republicans to be the ones saying "Well gee, if you hadnt given the moeny to the banks in the first place, this wouldn't be a problem???
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I have a feeling that the GOP will proceed to attempt to block attempts of the democrats to rectify this situation.
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Well in actuality while the President was a Republican, the Dems were in control of both houses throughout all of this bank bailout stimiulus spending nonsense. The gap widened and the presidency switched parties in January, but the Democrats had the majority since 2006. Simply blaming the Republicans for the most recent bank bailout plan is bullshit.

Hell Obama has the "architect" of the Bailout bill as his Treasury Secretary. I guess the Republicans are to blame for that as well.

The majority of the dissenting opinions to the original TARP funds were coming from the Republican side of the aisle, not the Democrats. That is not to say that the counter proposal by the Republicans was a shining example of intelligence, but they were the party of dissent against the TARP.

Also, the Dems were the party proclaiming that failure to pass the TARP bill OMG RIGHT NOW WHO CARES WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO with Obama at the head of the boat. Sadly McCain was too, but fuck him.
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Both parties were convinced that the bailout was necessary. There's no point in either party blaming the other at this point. The real problem here is the idiotic deregulation policies that led to a situation where we had to choose between these disgusting bailouts and a collapse of the financial system, and that was pretty much the Republicans' fault.
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Oh, agreed, the GOP, Clinton and Bush potentially even reaching further to the Reagan, Bush Sr. and the Dems of the 80's and early 90's all share the blame.

I simply corrected the idea that was proposed in the OP that the Republicans were in power when all of the bank bailouts were written up. That is untrue. The Dems were the architects of the TARP, with Bush's help, and Mega and Minor Spending bills of recent, with Obama's help.

The Dem's are just as beholden to the banks as the GOP, recent history should make that evident.
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Crossroads Inc. wrote:So let me get this stright.. The democrats, shocked SHOCKED that AIG and others have been giving out massive bonuses, are now actually trying to DO something about it... However, they are getting yelled out by the GOP for... giving the money to AIG in the first place?
Bullshit. The Democrats are equally culpable for both creating and perpetuating the AIG freak show. Let's go back to the first payout (I mean loan) of $85 billion last fall. Guess who was head of the NY Federal Reserve, the bank that put up the money to AIG? Current SecTreas Tim Geithner:
ABC News wrote:How the Obama administration was caught flat-footed by this controversy dates back to last Fall, when the New York Federal Reserve Bank -- then run by Geithner -- stepped in to give AIG a high-interest loan for $85 billion to help prevent the company from going under -- which Lehman Brothers was doing at the time. As part of the deal, AIG CEO Robert Willumstad was replaced by the new CEO, Liddy.

In late October, the $700 billion Troubled Assets Relief Program passed Congress, which includes rules about executive compensation but nothing about retention bonuses.

In November, the Fed and Treasury Department soon began pumping more money into AIG -- $40 billion, to take down the $85 billion credit facility set up by the Federal Reserve Bank of New York.

At this point, an Obama administration official says, Treasury officials generally became aware that AIG had put retention programs in place, but whom they were for and the extent of them were unknown. The New York Fed began studying the compensation policies on the books -- while also making efforts to save banks and rescue the economy. But by then Geithner's nomination was pending and he had recused himself from dealings with AIG.
[all emphasis added] That last bold part really got my attention. What this confirms for me is that the Congressmen who approved TARP had no fucking idea what they were voting for, and that the Fed gave AIG $125 billion without understanding where the money would be used.

Ohh those Bad Republicans are the source of all our woes! How's the "new" administration doing? Well, they saw the 2008 $700 billion bailout stake and raised it to $787 billion. Wow, not much difference in behaviour there. And what do you know, Democrat Banking Committe Chairman Chris Dodd inserted the language in the stimulus bill protecting the AIG bonuses:
Fox Business wrote:While the Senate was constructing the $787 billion stimulus last month, Dodd added an executive-compensation restriction to the bill. The provision, now called “the Dodd Amendment” by the Obama Administration provides an “exception for contractually obligated bonuses agreed on before Feb. 11, 2009” -- which exempts the very AIG bonuses Dodd and others are now seeking to tax.
Of course Dodd says he didn't add that wording, and doesn't know who did, and he's now seeking to tax back the very exemption he wrote into the bailout! Bullshit again.

And now Congress and Geithner say they didn't know about the bonus payouts (which are actually retention bonuses so the AIG employees with the best operating knowledge stay on to unwind AIG's derivatives business and their own jobs)? Buh-Buh-Bullshit. They knew about the payouts and the inevitability of them last fall:
The Associated Press wrote:The bonus problem wasn't new, as many lawmakers and administration officials knew only too well. AIG's plans to pay hundreds of millions of dollars were publicized last fall, when Congress started asking questions about expensive junkets the company had sponsored. A November SEC filing by the company details more than $469 million in "retention payments" to keep prized employees.

...lawyers hired by the Federal Reserve started reviewing the bonuses as part of a broader look at retention and compensation plans, according to government officials who spoke on condition of anonymity. The outside attorneys examined the possibility of making changes to the company plans — scaling them back, delaying them or rescinding them. They ultimately concluded that even if AIG's bonuses were withheld, the company would probably be sued successfully by its employees and be forced to pay them, the officials said.
So now we have Barney Frank saying "Thethe bonutheth are dethpicable and thould be reththinded," Charles Grassley says AIG officers should "do the honorable thing and kill themselves," and Chuckie Schumer is saying, flat out, "I hope they didn't spend their bonus payouts, because we will find a way to get ALL OF IT back." What a bunch of lying, hypocritical sacks of shit. Oh, what kind of press coverage a Republican senator would have received if he said company officers should commit suicide? A damn sight more than Assley got.

So now these upstanding politicians see which way the wind is blowing from their constituents, after ignoring their wishes for months, and are now biting the hand that fed them:
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Wow, that doesn't sound like talking points mined from right-wing websites at all. And of course, it completely ignores the point I made.
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I love how I can come home from Rush Limbaugh's FM radio bleating here in cracker country and hear Chocula bleat the exact same argument complete with the same examples. Surely coincidence. It really is amazing to me how American right-wingers seem borg-implanted into a central computer that spams society with repeated and exactly lock-stop rhetoric.

And Mitt Romney? Guliani? Please. AIG was hedging its bets, like all of the capitalist masters of this country, by buying both wings of their business party. The problem remains at heart conservative economic ideology.
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You know, Dodd put in specific protections about this. What happened? On yes, they vanished after the negotiations with the three GOPers and the conference bill.

I'm shocked to find that someone removed regulatory actions against countries. Shocked I say.
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Darth Wong wrote:Wow, that doesn't sound like talking points mined from right-wing websites at all. And of course, it completely ignores the point I made.
ABC News, Fox Business, the Associated Press and http://www.opensecrets.org...wow what a treasure trove of Republican win! I got my talking points over the secure 'Fax this morning and was just waiting for this issue to surface. Not.

The Democrats in Congress either knew what they were doing in the bailout or had no fucking clue, and now little things like AIG's bonus payments are coming out to bite them in the ass. I believe they're putting on this little show to try to shift attention away from their own legion of fuckups.

Lots of people have gone back and forth on whose fault the whole affair was, and your first post in this thread said precisely nothing about AIG.
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And of course, it completely ignores the point I made.
True, but your comment was mainly off topic and a non-sequitor, the OT claimed that the Republicans were the party in power during the AIG nonsense, that is not the case and we are currently calling the OT Poster out on his stupidity.

Both parties might have been convinced that a bailout of some sort was necessary but it was the Democrats that were the architects of the bailout and it is the Democrats that are now claiming ignorance while complaining that the bailout that they created was abused.

Crossroads insinuated that the Republicans are being disingenious with their current comments that maybe this should have been looked into when the money was first handed out, which is a valid criticism. The money was literally handed to AIG on a silver platter by Geitner, who is now Obama's Treasury Secretary, Obama either knew about this and supports it, or he's retarded. The Democrats were instrumental in deciding where the money went, commenting on this when they claim that the money was not sent to the right places is not a valid point to be made how again?

I already agreed with your point that the blame for the actual underlying problem is, the issue of the OP concerns how the problem is being corrected, not who caused the problem in the first place.
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AIG is just a single egregious symptom of the greater problem, and the entire problem is based on conservative economic ideology, especially Wall Street financial radicalism, which was bought and paid for by institutions using both conservative Democrats and Republicans. It was the progressives who were against these insanities in the beginning. It was not Republicans who had the significant plurality opposing repealing Glass-Steagall and passing radical financier ass-kissing like the Commodity Futures Modernization Act.

I think the liberals in this thread are sickened by Chocula and Krauser because we know that you guys are simply making these arguments on the pretext that the Republicans would do a better job, and conservatism is a ray of light on this topic. Which is just totally insane. Conservatism is inexorably linked with this kind of business fluffing and believes that an absence of regulation will produce better societal outcomes.
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KrauserKrauser wrote:Well in actuality while the President was a Republican, the Dems were in control of both houses throughout all of this bank bailout stimiulus spending nonsense. The gap widened and the presidency switched parties in January, but the Democrats had the majority since 2006. Simply blaming the Republicans for the most recent bank bailout plan is bullshit.

Hell Obama has the "architect" of the Bailout bill as his Treasury Secretary. I guess the Republicans are to blame for that as well.

The majority of the dissenting opinions to the original TARP funds were coming from the Republican side of the aisle, not the Democrats. That is not to say that the counter proposal by the Republicans was a shining example of intelligence, but they were the party of dissent against the TARP.

Also, the Dems were the party proclaiming that failure to pass the TARP bill OMG RIGHT NOW WHO CARES WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO with Obama at the head of the boat. Sadly McCain was too, but fuck him.

Bullshit. The TARP/EESA was drawn up by Hank Paulson with input from his banker friends and Ben Bernanke. It was endorsed by Bush and presented to the Senate Banking committee, which told them to go fuck themselves. Then the bill was introduced to the House at the same time that Bush & friends held press conferences saying the world would end if the bill wasn't passed. The House killed the bill anyway, and it got tacked on as a rider to another bill in the Senate. Cue more press conferences by Paulson, Pelosi, Bush, and Bernanke claiming the end of world, Senate passes the bill and it gets rubberstamped.

You're full of shit if you think the Dems drew up the bill and made it pass with scare mongering, Pelosi was a tool and didn't help but the majority of the PR was done by the GOP, and they were the ones who drew up and endorsed the bill in the first place.

One more thing. Geithner is a taxcheating jackass who should be in jail, but he didn't draw up the bailout, Hank Paulson did. Geithner as the head of the New York Fed is the one in charge of administering & overseeing the funds, and he's done a shit-ass job of that, but that's for another topic.
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aerius wrote:Bullshit. The TARP/EESA was drawn up by Hank Paulson with input from his banker friends and Ben Bernanke. It was endorsed by Bush and presented to the Senate Banking committee, which told them to go fuck themselves. Then the bill was introduced to the House at the same time that Bush & friends held press conferences saying the world would end if the bill wasn't passed. The House killed the bill anyway, and it got tacked on as a rider to another bill in the Senate. Cue more press conferences by Paulson, Pelosi, Bush, and Bernanke claiming the end of world, Senate passes the bill and it gets rubberstamped.

You're full of shit if you think the Dems drew up the bill and made it pass with scare mongering, Pelosi was a tool and didn't help but the majority of the PR was done by the GOP, and they were the ones who drew up and endorsed the bill in the first place.

One more thing. Geithner is a taxcheating jackass who should be in jail, but he didn't draw up the bailout, Hank Paulson did. Geithner as the head of the New York Fed is the one in charge of administering & overseeing the funds, and he's done a shit-ass job of that, but that's for another topic.
I was confusing my data, I knew Geitner was responsible for the AIG bailout, and jumped to the conclusion that he was involved in the creation of the TARP bill.

Since the OT involves AIG, he would be the focus attention as he intiated and oversaw the AIG bailout.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:I think the liberals in this thread are sickened by Chocula and Krauser because we know that you guys are simply making these arguments on the pretext that the Republicans would do a better job, and conservatism is a ray of light on this topic. Which is just totally insane. Conservatism is inexorably linked with this kind of business fluffing and believes that an absence of regulation will produce better societal outcomes.
See these are the posts that remind me that you are full of shit. Not only had I already stated that the GOP plans were not much if any better, but I have not objected to any of the claims that this was caused by conservative pro-business ideology propogated by a good ole boys high finanace network from the Federal Reserve on down.

Back that shit up, you might want to actually read posts before spewing bullshit.
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Darth Wong wrote:Wow, that doesn't sound like talking points mined from right-wing websites at all. And of course, it completely ignores the point I made.
ABC News, Fox Business, the Associated Press and http://www.opensecrets.org...wow what a treasure trove of Republican win! I got my talking points over the secure 'Fax this morning and was just waiting for this issue to surface. Not.
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The Democrats in Congress either knew what they were doing in the bailout or had no fucking clue, and now little things like AIG's bonus payments are coming out to bite them in the ass. I believe they're putting on this little show to try to shift attention away from their own legion of fuckups.
Yet which party included language that lasted until the conference bill on limiting bonuses? Why... A Dem! Wall Street Journal, behind subscription, sorry

They say..
The most stringent pay restriction bars any company receiving funds from paying top earners bonuses equal to more than one-third of their total annual compensation. That could severely crimp pay packages at big banks, where top officials commonly get relatively modest salaries but often huge bonuses.

As word spread Friday about the new and retroactive limit -- inserted by Democratic Sen. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut -- so did consternation on Wall Street and in the Obama administration, which opposed it.
So whose to blame?
The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government's money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program's effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.
Geithner again. The idiot who won't nationalize.

So Chocula can whine all he wants, but it was the Congressional Dems who put in a way to stop this.
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SirNitram quoting the WSJ? wrote:The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government's money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program's effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.
Now that's an outcome I could get behind 100%! That quote snippet makes "Tax-cheat Timmy" look like an even bigger tool than I thought; the implication I get is that he wants to keep handing out $$$ on fish hooks to reel in and gain control over private banks. If those banks say "screw that business, we'll go our own way" and crack up, there will probably be enough in assets to recover the money-making portions of the banks that do fail.
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Count Chocula wrote:
SirNitram quoting the WSJ? wrote:The administration is concerned the rules will prompt a wave of banks to return the government's money and forgo future assistance, undermining the aid program's effectiveness. Both Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Lawrence Summers, who heads the National Economic Council, had called Sen. Dodd and asked him to reconsider, these people said.
Now that's an outcome I could get behind 100%! That quote snippet makes "Tax-cheat Timmy" look like an even bigger tool than I thought; the implication I get is that he wants to keep handing out $$$ on fish hooks to reel in and gain control over private banks. If those banks say "screw that business, we'll go our own way" and crack up, there will probably be enough in assets to recover the money-making portions of the banks that do fail.
Geithner is a product of the Treasury from 88 to 02. Given this was all in Greenspan's tenure, it should be no surprise at all he's a pro-corporate idiot, quite possibly a Randroid.
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And yet everyone from the GOP to the Dems to Obama were 110% behind his nomination, even after he was revealed to be a tax cheat and should be investigated by the IRS?

Boggles the mind that there haven't been more calls for his replacement.

Any ideas on who the best replacement would be? Not necessarily best for the market, but more who would be willing to enact the policies that would be necessary to actually address the inherent problems in the system?

Vocker has a history of being able to make tough decisions in the face of stiff opposition but I'm doubting he would take the office even if offered.
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KrauserKrauser wrote:And yet everyone from the GOP to the Dems to Obama were 110% behind his nomination, even after he was revealed to be a tax cheat and should be investigated by the IRS?
Why not? After all, D.C. is pro-business. Americans are pro-business. We are in a nation where it causes no cognitive dissonance to say 'We must force changes to THESE contracts' and a few months later, insist actual wrongdoer's contracts are inviolable. And anyone with Treasury experience, realistically, was going to be Greenspan's creation. What else is there? The usual sad joke of putting actual bank managers in charge? Worked great with Paulson, didn't it?

This level of rot takes a shitton longer than eight weeks to repair.
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Geithner was in charge of the part of the Fed in New York which should have stopped this mess. His appointment is without question Obama's worst mistake. We needed someone who had no connections to the existed financial system and was prepared to make drastic changes to it. Instead, we appointed one of the wolves to guard the herd. Bernanke should have also been sacked if the President has the power to accomplish that.
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Honestly the only choice I wouldn't have cringed at would have been Paul Krugman as treasury, but even that would only be for the hilarity factor.
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So now we have Barney Frank saying "Thethe bonutheth are dethpicable and thould be reththinded," Charles Grassley says AIG officers should "do the honorable thing and kill themselves," and Chuckie Schumer is saying, flat out, "I hope they didn't spend their bonus payouts, because we will find a way to get ALL OF IT back." What a bunch of lying, hypocritical sacks of shit. Oh, what kind of press coverage a Republican senator would have received if he said company officers should commit suicide? A damn sight more than Assley got.
Oh, what kind of press coverage a Republican senator would have received if he said company officers should commit suicide? A damn sight more than Assley got.
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So now we have Barney Frank saying "Thethe bonutheth are dethpicable and thould be reththinded,"
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Charles Grassley IS a Republican.
:lol: Oh, my.

Glenn Greenwald has a pretty good takedown of this scapegoating of Chris Dodd.
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Just curious I'm not and economist what would have been the ramification of letting all these banks and traders go bankrupt?
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