SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread VI

[Karmic Knight]

I don't know which is more fun, The Aware Human's vicious wrongness, or the blatant statements of fact mixed in.

[Beowulf]

Dude, I have an entire army of lawyers myself. I'm a government. There are of course, other methods to bypass lawsuit delays (diplomatic pressure, hiring Klavostanis, et al).

Klavostani mercs? Pshaw. Man, you just missed an excellent opportunity to bring up Imperial ninja assassins. That would've been a killer argument. Oh well.

Wrong culture for that archetype. Also, what would ninja assassins do? I'd rack up far too high of a body count in the process. Klavostani mercs could make off with the ship, then scuttle it, all without ever knowing who they actually worked for. We'd all know, but there'd be no way to prove it.

Yenchin: exactly.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

By that token, it shouldn't have made much sense for the Argentines to commission a Colossus class, a close contemporary of the Essex, in 1969 OTL. Also, I only relatively recently bought that JFK from Shinra.

Ah, that Essex was a secondhand one? I thought you had built it new. Then I apologize for the confusion.

Well, yeah. The vast majority of the ships that have been in the Langley Navy until recently have been second-hand from either Shroomania or any of the MESS states. Hell, for all we know, the Kyoko could have been one of your ships way, WAY back in the day before it was sold to me in '68.

I might be open to a navy exchange program if you are interested...

Langley could simply go to their BFF Shroom and ask for some experts on carrier ops to train their folks. They'd come back oiled up and very homosexual, but they'd know how to fly and service carrier-based planes

Shroom's already offered me (through PM) a training arrangement in exchange for Shroomanian/CATO basing rights in Langley. I'm perfectly willing to rent out one of my bases to CATO forces in exchange for help from Shroomania and Byzantium in training my carrier pilots and crews.

[Siege]

Wrong culture for that archetype.

I know. I actually spent 10 minutes googling Chinese assassins, but no luck. Too bad, really.

Klavostani mercs could make off with the ship, then scuttle it, all without ever knowing who they actually worked for.

Make off with a disabled, disarmed carrier sitting in plain sight in the middle of what may very well be the biggest metropolis on the planet? And San Dorado's not even sitting at the seaside! I know Klavostanis have a reputation for badassery to uphold, but that's too silly even for me...

[Beowulf]

I might be open to a navy exchange program if you are interested...

Langley could simply go to their BFF Shroom and ask for some experts on carrier ops to train their folks. They'd come back oiled up and very homosexual, but they'd know how to fly and service carrier-based planes

Shroom's already offered me (through PM) a training arrangement in exchange for Shroomanian/CATO basing rights in Langley. I'm perfectly willing to rent out one of my bases to CATO forces in exchange for help from Shroomania and Byzantium in training my carrier pilots and crews.

Well, as I recall, the agreement for the A-7Ls included provision for flight training of your pilots, which would include carrier training.

Klavostani mercs could make off with the ship, then scuttle it, all without ever knowing who they actually worked for.

Make off with a disabled, disarmed carrier sitting in plain sight in the middle of what may very well be the biggest metropolis on the planet? And San Dorado's not even sitting at the seaside! I know Klavostanis have a reputation for badassery to uphold, but that's too silly even for me...

Make for an exciting "high" speed chase to the sea.

[Shinn Langley Soryu]

I might be open to a navy exchange program if you are interested...

Langley could simply go to their BFF Shroom and ask for some experts on carrier ops to train their folks. They'd come back oiled up and very homosexual, but they'd know how to fly and service carrier-based planes

Shroom's already offered me (through PM) a training arrangement in exchange for Shroomanian/CATO basing rights in Langley. I'm perfectly willing to rent out one of my bases to CATO forces in exchange for help from Shroomania and Byzantium in training my carrier pilots and crews.

Well, as I recall, the agreement for the A-7Ls included provision for flight training of your pilots, which would include carrier training.

I either forgot about that or wasn't aware of it to begin with. In any case, any and all help with regards to the loss of my carrier operations experience base is very much appreciated.

Klavostani mercs could make off with the ship, then scuttle it, all without ever knowing who they actually worked for.

Make off with a disabled, disarmed carrier sitting in plain sight in the middle of what may very well be the biggest metropolis on the planet? And San Dorado's not even sitting at the seaside! I know Klavostanis have a reputation for badassery to uphold, but that's too silly even for me...

Make for an exciting "high" speed chase to the sea.

Make sure to have it aired live. Just imagine the ratings.

[Ryan Thunder]

Does the FTO have a flag?

[Master_Baerne]

Did we ever figure out where the FTO Combined Fleet's home port is? If part of it's at San Dorado, then stealing the carrier might not be the best plan.

[Karmic Knight]

Did we ever figure out where the FTO Combined Fleet's home port is? If part of it's at San Dorado, then stealing the carrier might not be the best plan.

I thought it was in Indhopal.

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

Something as near as a Chinese imperial secret police/assassin group would probably be the Embroidered Guards or the Eastern Depot, and of course there are always the Flying Guillotines

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Something as near as a Chinese imperial secret police/assassin group would probably be the Embroidered Guards or the Eastern Depot, and of course there are always the Flying Guillotines

Not very well versed with Chinese culture, but wasn't there maybe a warrior monk type assassin?

[Grand Moff Yenchin]

Not very well versed with Chinese culture, but wasn't there maybe a warrior monk type assassin?

Couldn't think of any, Shaolin monks are mostly warriors but not assassins.

[Ryan Thunder]

Imperial Chronicles

Excerpt from Minutes on Discussions on from future LHD carrier

Specified requirements:

1. Large Island deck, 350m long, 75m wide minimum, to allow for full operation of CATABAR aircraft without need of STOVL aircraft, and to allow for large scale helicopter operations. Must also allow for simultaneous recovery and launching of aircraft. Estimated air wing: 24-32 Su-53/39 aircraft, 8 Ka-52, 16 Mi-28BM, 24 NH-101, 12 NH-90, 12 NH-95
2. Well deck must be at the minimum as large as that on the Wasp/America class. Also required to be able to ship one enlarged Marine Expedition Unit (approximately 1.5-2 x current size)
3. Propulsion should either be gas turbine or nuclear. The nuclear option should be closely studied if the carrier were to exceed 65,000 tonnes. However, as it stands, the aircraft carrier is estimated to be 70-75,000 tonnes.
4. Modularized design required, to allow to quick reconfiguration possibly for full battle carrier configuration.
5. Requirement to design a new landing craft to accomodate the B-3 Black Tiger tank.
6. Installation of S-500F system, and 32 cell VLS system to accomodate as many as 4x32 S-500-C missiles, and 6-8 point defence stations.
7. Estimated construction commencement date: 2018-2020. Roughly at the same time as the new Continental class.

Whoa there. This is a -->helicopter<-- assault carrier. It should be optimized for STOVL craft to keep size (and costs!) down out of the stratosphere.

That said, I mocked one up that could accommodate 25 Hurricanes on deck simultaneously and it ended up being around 275 m long. (Warning: 1898x330px image)

Needs to be deeper, I think, to accommodate the troops and stuff, and I still need to work in radar and weapons.

On that note, where exactly do you figure I should put the 320-cell VLS system that the S-500F system that your requirements call for entails?

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Whoa there. This is a -->helicopter<-- assault carrier. It should be optimized for STOVL craft to keep size (and costs!) down out of the stratosphere.

It's not really a helicopter assault carrier. To be more precise, it's a multirole battle carrier. Battle, because she can be loaded up with enough missiles to make a small frigate squeak. I was debating whether to go full size, or something close to an America. But I decided on a larger QE sized carrier so that I can have the flexibility of using the carrier for a variety of missions beyond a sea control carrier.

On that note, where exactly do you figure I should put the 320-cell VLS system that the S-500F system that your requirements call for entails?

You will need a cruiser the size of a Kirov to mount that many cells.

[Ryan Thunder]

Whoa there. This is a -->helicopter<-- assault carrier. It should be optimized for STOVL craft to keep size (and costs!) down out of the stratosphere.

It's not really a helicopter assault carrier. To be more precise, it's a multirole battle carrier. Battle, because she can be loaded up with enough missiles to make a small frigate squeak.

On that note, where exactly do you figure I should put the 320-cell VLS system that the S-500F system that your requirements call for entails?

You will need a cruiser the size of a Kirov to mount that many cells.

Given the above, it sounds like its confused in its role, to me. It's going to try to be an LHD, a BCGN and a CVN all at once.

All I was looking for was a slightly smaller version of the Wasp class LHD...

[Fingolfin_Noldor]

Given the above, it sounds like its confused in its role, to me. It's going to try to be a BCGN and a CVN all at once, when all I was looking for was a slightly smaller version of the Wasp class LHD...

It's more a FFG. If I wanted it to be DDG, it'd get 96 cells minimum. That itself is under consideration. I want it modular the same way the Absalom frigates are, so maybe I could stock up more cells and turn it into a DDG. Already the estimate for tonnage of the ship is of the order of 70,000 tonnes. That should give you an idea that I'm looking for a medium sized fleet carrier.

[Siege]

Did we ever figure out where the FTO Combined Fleet's home port is? If part of it's at San Dorado, then stealing the carrier might not be the best plan.

I thought it was in Indhopal.

I believe its home port is Portebella, Indhopal. Still, to get from San Dorado to the sea you'd not just have to pass down the Dodgson River through the heart of San Dorado City-- the river would then take you through La Palma, the busiest port on that side of the continent and home to a whole bunch of NFT warships.


EDIT: Also I frankly think it's utterly bizarre that Mortimer's Claim would suddenly accept Imperial aid when they are run by Mortimer Jr., son and ideological heir of his deceased president-for-life Mortimer who was described as a Robert Mugable-style jackass: not just supremely unconcerned with the suffering of their subjects, but also highly suspicious of any foreign attempt to meddle in their affairs. If he was even remotely willing to accept aid the FTO would have intervened in Mortimer's Claim a long, long time ago. This ought to turn into a Somalia-style quagmire for the Imperial forces.

There's a reason why the FTO has stayed away from the Claim and the territories of the Winter Army, and it isn't because they are places of rainbows and fluffy bunnies.

[Beowulf]

Mortimer Jr will be living in interesting times if he decides to interfere.

[PeZook]

I don't know which is more fun, The Aware Human's vicious wrongness, or the blatant statements of fact mixed in.

The bit about moonbases is an actual claim, albeit it was even more insane in the original.

Did you know the world elite plans to use the ISS to survive a nuclear war they want to spark themselves?

[Siege]

Mortimer Jr will be living in interesting times if he decides to interfere.

Hey I won't care even if you flatten Mortimer's Claim-- he's a Mugabe-style jackass after all. It's just that if you're continuing that particular storyline beyond "we come bearing gifts!" I expect you to encounter trouble.

Did you know the world elite plans to use the ISS to survive a nuclear war they want to spark themselves?

Must be a really small elite then .

[Czechmate]

Mortimer Jr will be living in interesting times if he decides to interfere.

Hey I won't care even if you flatten Mortimer's Claim-- he's a Mugabe-style jackass after all. It's just that if you're continuing that particular storyline beyond "we come bearing gifts!" I expect you to encounter trouble.

You must be unaware of the fact that "may you live in interesting times" is a harsh curse in the Chinese (Read: Tian Xian) culture. It roughly equates to "May you get what you deserve" in a rather...negative manner. Also, the Empire is fully prepared to Strike Back if Mugabe-mer tries anything.

[Siege]

Also, the Empire is fully prepared to Strike Back if Mugabe-mer tries anything.

I'm sure it is. It's just that it took the FTO multiple game-years to stabilize the areas of the CFR that we're currently active in, and that's with somewhat friendly locals on our side-- if Tian Xia is going to turn Mortimer's Claim into a puppet state or whatever it is you're planning to do you ought to bleed for it. I don't care much for what you do down there beyond that, really. If the Empire wants to waste money on the CFR that's fine by me, but you'd probably be better off colonizing bits of Velaria. I'm pretty sure that's closer to Tian Xia too.

[Steve]

It's closer to Tian Xia, true, but the CFR is literally next door to Tian Jiao.

Though shouldn't the FTO be getting leery about about an expansion of outside military presence in Frequesue? The entire point of the organization was to keep the continent out of international power games and other blocs having bases in Frequesue isn't conducive to that goal.

[Master_Baerne]

I did make an in-character post asking the rest of the FTO the same thing.

[Beowulf]

I did make an in-character post asking the rest of the FTO the same thing.

No, you just complained about me, not the continuing presence of the UCSR, the Shinra naval base, Canissian plans to expand their military presence into f-ing, the Byzantine decision (and really, all of CATO) to gain a base there.

Am I missing anyone?