Only because they are at it again.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 01:05am

For a good laugh(but don't presume logic here.)

http://s1.cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genme ... 148&page=0

Is a start of the ongoing of ST vs SW on GameFaqs.

Seriously so far was the best about someone disputing that onscreen the Slave-1 missle aren't big enough for 190MT

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-06 01:19am

Just out of curiosity, how come ST fans ALWAYS remember "Outrageous Okona," but ignore all examples in which lasers have damaged UFP ships?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 01:36am

I believe it's because the whole thought Turbolasers has Laser in it's name and the Outrageous Okona...states that laser won't even go through their shields.

Thus it gives them an instaneous illogical victory...no fuss, no muss.

While most of the better debaters here will remember stuff that they don't(other episodes where Picard raises shields because a planet showed laser activity, and also the Borg cutting laser...etc) and then their arguments fall.

Really I do love they still clung to that the ISD cannot have 200GT TL because nothing on screen showed the same effect of hiroshima, let alone magnitudes of order greater.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-06 01:40am

Ghost Rider wrote:Really I do love they still clung to that the ISD cannot have 200GT TL because nothing on screen showed the same effect of hiroshima, let alone magnitudes of order greater.

They figure you can blow away a 10km wide area of rocks with a sub-Hiroshima weapon? Or perhaps they didn't watch AOTC?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 02:01am

They probably saw it...but thought that the Seismic charge was maybe a couple KT because it didn't vaporize the asteroid.

Anyways started a thred there...will just go in after a day to see and honestly see if any of them can come up with a good reason how the entire AQ will defeat the Empire...aside from Superweapons.

Truly I feel it would be a good test to see if I learned anything from you guys.

Cyborg Stan · Post by **Cyborg Stan** » 2003-02-06 06:03am

A few highlights....

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They reject the 200 gigaton figure because they think it contradicts visuals. More specifically, they think it would make a large explosion, despite the fact that shields also absorb energy, and despite the target having scifi-tech armour with unknown properties. This same society can also go faster than light and build moon-sized battlestations, the former being quite impossible as far as we know.

Then they dismiss calculations done on asteroids in TESB because obviously Lucas wasn't thinking too much when he put them in....

So are visuals valid, or not?

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They think the Death Star inputted far less than 2.4e32 J into Alderaan, (and much, much less than the 1e38 J figure that we see) because they don't know how it would have dissapated the energy. This is the same Death Star that can move faster than light. (Or the equally impossible 'at lightspeed', to hear them gripe.) The same Death Star that we know has an emergency thermal exhaust port.

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They think 300 megatons is enough to turn a planet into a debris, by ripping off the crust somehow. Wonder how we survived Tsar Bomba without all dying. Or why smaller planets like Mars or Venus even exist if the simply act of ripping off Earth's crust would leave it so massless to make it drift apart. They also think around 300 megatons would somehow put Earth in Jupiter orbit.

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It occurs to me that the next time someone asks where the e32 J GBE of a planet comes from, refer them to the equations of U = -G*m1*m2 / r, the fact that in this case m1 can simply mean the mass of a thin shell and m2 is the mass of everything inside it, the constants (G=6.6726E-11 m³/(s²·kg), M=5.97E24 kg, and r=6.371E6m), the concept of integration and the final equation of U = 3GM²/(5r). This way, they can calculate it all on their own.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-06 07:49am

I love the way them make stupid claims like "well to me Starwars has always seemed weaker" then don't back it up. To me they guy who said that seems like a retard but i can't back that up just bu wishing for it.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-02-06 07:58am

Rigid thinking without the will to learn from more clever people!

...and those claims....

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 10:39am

I've decided to take Wong's 5 minute of Enterprise-D vs 20 year old tug to see if they can do anything but babble.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-02-06 11:04am

Cyborg Stan wrote: It occurs to me that the next time someone asks where the e32 J GBE of a planet comes from, refer them to the equations of U = -G*m1*m2 / r, the fact that in this case m1 can simply mean the mass of a thin shell and m2 is the mass of everything inside it, the constants (G=6.6726E-11 m³/(s²·kg), M=5.97E24 kg, and r=6.371E6m), the concept of integration and the final equation of U = 3GM²/(5r). This way, they can calculate it all on their own.

Who says these guys know calculus, or equations?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-06 12:23pm

Oh the stupidity: pg 14, last post

Angelblade wrote:If the Death Star was in fact able to produce the 2E32 joules as claimed, then either:

1. The Death Star is 100% thermodynamically efficient. (Which by the way is absolteluty impossible. Even more impossible than the Speed of light limit...it's just plain not possible.)

or

2. Even at 99.9999% efficiency...ie. only .000001% of the Superlaser's power was lost as heat into the Death Star, even if the Death Star were a perfect black box emitter (which is highly unlikely) the ENTIRE Death Star would be heated to several thousand degrees Celsius, killing everyone on board and glowing white hot. (Neither of which happens)

Thus it is impossible for the Death Star's beam to be that powerful. Happy?

Oh and don't pull that the Death Star is 100% efficeint because it's science fiction because:

1. They never say it is.
2. It is straight up impossible. Totally utterly impossible.

Totally ignoring the fact that the DS did destroy a planet w/o killing everyone inside. I guess this idiot doesnt' realise they have active means of channeling the waste heat away from the DS and protecting the crew.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-06 01:47pm

most absurd thing Ive ever seen.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-06 01:57pm

I dont know where you people get the energy. Im tired readign 3 pages, and this goes on for dozens.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-06 02:02pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:I dont know where you people get the energy. Im tired readign 3 pages, and this goes on for dozens.

Like I said in another thread. 10 years of crappy movies gives you high resistance to the kind of stupidity being posted by idiots like these guys.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-06 02:11pm

o_O reminds me why I dont get into debates much. I dont like beating my head against their arguments for days on end.

12 pages read. these people are not of this world.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 03:02pm

Wait till you think they have done this for more that 2 years....seriously when I left, it was the same arguments

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-06 03:22pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Wait till you think they have done this for more that 2 years....seriously when I left, it was the same arguments

Yes, but different idiot trolls. Look how many different people brainlessly recite the old "nav-deflectors immue to lasers" argument even though it was refuted years ago. I'm convinced that there is a factory somewhere in Paramount studios churning out hordes of stupid Trek Trolls to maintain the fan base.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-02-06 03:34pm

Yeah, Angelblade's a fucking retard. I'm Shootfighter55 on those boards, and for weeks I've been "debating" with this dumbass. Cyborg Stan's already gone over all of the horrible arguments he's brought up. All this guy does is keep repeating them like a broken record, putting up a Wall of Ignorance just like Darkstar. Interestingly, he even provided links to Darkstar's site on that board, saying that it might be an "interesting read" while denouncing Wong's site as fanboy garbage (He pussied out when I challenged him to provide a valid rebuttal of this site).

To make matters worse, he's considered one of the top dogs around there, and a bunch of Trektards give him sickening praise when they aren't bashing SW, me, or Wong. The level of debate their is pathetic. The SW vs. ST thread has gone on for well over two dozen pages due to the Trekkies' Wall of Ignorance policy. I have nothing to fear from their pathetic "arguments," but their stupidity has gotten so frustrating that I actually cringe at the thought of having to go back their and respond to pages and pages of crap. That, combined with a heavy load of real-life work, has kept me from posting on the ST board for a couple of days.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-06 03:38pm

Would you like a hand to relieve some of the frustration?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-02-06 03:42pm

Sure, any help in turning back the tides of stupidity would be appreciated.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-06 04:15pm

Do these people ever bother to research the topic they're arguing? Or back up their ridiculous claims? Or post anything other than their opinion on the matter?

*sigh*
And so western civilization crumbles...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-02-06 04:26pm

they argue canon. and officiality. seeing 20 pages of that is nearly as much fun as reading ds's debate again.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-02-06 04:36pm

Just remember as much as you want to no swearing or obvious trolling.

Seriously Raynor is trying but against the flood we can use help.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-02-06 04:39pm

Enforcer Talen wrote:they argue canon. and officiality. seeing 20 pages of that is nearly as much fun as reading ds's debate again.

I should know. It took pages and pages of me showing quotes in my favor before I was able to batter down their Wall of Ignorance on this single issue.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-02-06 04:41pm

Ghost Rider wrote:Just remember as much as you want to no swearing or obvious trolling.

Seriously Raynor is trying but against the flood we can use help.

The Gamefaqs.com moderators are seriously messed up. Directly calling someone an idiot will get you modded (that's what happened to me), but calling Wong a stupid fanboy who spends all his time wanking off to Natalie Portman won't.