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ITT nerdlings say the dumbest shit. Let's call it the Sonic Screwdriver is Ubiquitous show, because that's a common plot element I personally don't like!Jade Falcon wrote:I don't know why they don't just rename it to "The Rose Tyler show" and be done with it.
Jade Falcon wrote:Pretty much. I didn't have anything against Rose from the get-go, though at first when I heard that Billie Piper was playing the part i'll admit my expectations weren't high but she did well enough in Eccleston's time and in Tennants first season. It was only after that that I think the Rose obsession got far too much, the blame of which lies at the feet of other people, most likely the producers.Dahak wrote: I think he has one. She's just too much compared to the others. I still can enjoy Jack Harkness, Martha, or Donna. And I very much liked inventions like Harriet Jones.
But the others were just a bit "here and there" compared to Rose "Super Doctor Angst" Tyler. Even when she wasn't there, the Doctor was angsting all around Rose left and right, come Martha or Donna or the end of the world...
ITT?Stark wrote:ITT nerdlings say the dumbest shit. Let's call it the Sonic Screwdriver is Ubiquitous show, because that's a common plot element I personally don't like!
Where did I say he should instantly forget her? I don't remember there being as much about, say, Martha though. It did seem at times though that there was far too much about Rose, especially in the last season. We can just agree to disagree as by your own admission you liked Rose and I wasn't a great fan, so I highly doubt this is going to go anywhere.Thanas wrote:Yeah, god forbid he actually might remember a companion for more than four episodes.
Seriously, wtf? I would have been pretty pissed off if they did not at least show him struggling after the loss of the most important person in the whole universe, especially considering the strong bond between them. Also, where has he been "angsting" over Rose all season 3 and 4?
Why would there be so much about Martha? It wouldn't make any sense.Jade Falcon wrote:Where did I say he should instantly forget her? I don't remember there being as much about, say, Martha though. It did seem at times though that there was far too much about Rose, especially in the last season. We can just agree to disagree as by your own admission you liked Rose and I wasn't a great fan, so I highly doubt this is going to go anywhere.Thanas wrote:Yeah, god forbid he actually might remember a companion for more than four episodes.
Seriously, wtf? I would have been pretty pissed off if they did not at least show him struggling after the loss of the most important person in the whole universe, especially considering the strong bond between them. Also, where has he been "angsting" over Rose all season 3 and 4?
I was using Martha as an example, and if you even bothered to read all the posts you'll see that Thanas says that he likes Rose. It's highly unlikely him and I will come to an agreement. I don't the way Rose was used later on, that's it. Yes the last season sucked, that still doesn't take away from the fact that they RTD has to keep using the same sodding stuff over and over again. It wouldn't even have been quite so bad if the big build up with Rose had amounted to anything meaningful but no, it just seemed like an excuse to bring Rose back to do what exactly? It seemed she was there just to be there without actually doing anything meaningful. A symptom that all the later two parters had, the second part always seemed screwed up somehow.Stark wrote:LOL! Are you saying it was 'too much' because MARTHA didn't get the same treatment? It's like you didn't even watch the fucking show. The Doctor's relationship with Rose and his relationship with Martha might be different. Complaining about something being over-used because it sucked in the last season is redundant - the last season sucked. They made Jack and Sarah annoying and stupid in the finale too, remember?
But oh poor boy conceeds because he can't discuss his opinion.
Stark wrote:* 'for all eternity' may not be for all eternity for a given value of Russel T Davies.
No, I like Rose in S1-2 and would have infinitely prepared her staying there instead of having her character butchered like they did in S4.Jade Falcon wrote:I was using Martha as an example, and if you even bothered to read all the posts you'll see that Thanas says that he likes Rose.Stark wrote:LOL! Are you saying it was 'too much' because MARTHA didn't get the same treatment? It's like you didn't even watch the fucking show. The Doctor's relationship with Rose and his relationship with Martha might be different. Complaining about something being over-used because it sucked in the last season is redundant - the last season sucked. They made Jack and Sarah annoying and stupid in the finale too, remember?
But oh poor boy conceeds because he can't discuss his opinion.
Neither do I, but I fail to see how that makes it the "Rose Tyler" show. She is a companion. Certainly the most important one for Doctors Nine and Ten, but a companion. Not the main character.It's highly unlikely him and I will come to an agreement. [/quote9
Why? I am not a crazy livejournal shipper afterall.
I don't the way Rose was used later on, that's it.
Now that I can agree with.Thanas wrote:No, I like Rose in S1-2 and would have infinitely prepared her staying there instead of having her character butchered like they did in S4.
I'm not sure about that, did Troughton did have a Dalek story? I know there's a documentary on the "Destiny of the Daleks" DVD where even early on in Hartnells run that Terry Nation felt they were getting overused. Let me check. Mmm, even Troughton did according to Wiki of all things. Davison, Colink Baker and Sylvester McCoy seem to have had the least Dalek stories, bar minor appearances in things like "The Five Doctors" of course.PREDATOR490 wrote:Every Doctor has had a story with the Daleks in their line up due to their popularity but the new series simply cannot let go of things even when they have wrote themselves into a situation which denies them coming back. The Daleks are a prime example of this when they have been wiped out in 3 of the season finales and yet the possibility of them coming back is woefully likely.
Yep, every Doctor has had a Dalek story. Troughtan's first venture was a Dalek story (the BBC were concerned as to how a change in actor would affect the series, so they chucked in the Daleks to help it along) and it wasn't his last (I think Victoria's first story was a Dalek one).Jade Falcon wrote:I'm not sure about that, did Troughton did have a Dalek story? I know there's a documentary on the "Destiny of the Daleks" DVD where even early on in Hartnells run that Terry Nation felt they were getting overused. Let me check. Mmm, even Troughton did according to Wiki of all things. Davison, Colink Baker and Sylvester McCoy seem to have had the least Dalek stories, bar minor appearances in things like "The Five Doctors" of course.PREDATOR490 wrote:Every Doctor has had a story with the Daleks in their line up due to their popularity but the new series simply cannot let go of things even when they have wrote themselves into a situation which denies them coming back. The Daleks are a prime example of this when they have been wiped out in 3 of the season finales and yet the possibility of them coming back is woefully likely.
The old Cybermen seem to suffer from the same problem from what I've heard, but I've only ever seen "The Invasion" from Troughton's era and "Earthshock" from Davidsons.
LOLStark wrote: I hope Big Orange shows up to explain it all to us.
I was being ever so slightly sarcastic about Tegan, she was a wee bit less annoying when she returned after a break but still wouldn't be classed as one of the best. Liz Smith seemed to be interesting though I've only got two Jon Pertwee stories with her in it, Spearhead from Space and Inferno and she seems to carry off the role quite well.mr friendly guy wrote:And yeah, I also thought Romana (both of them) were more interesting companions than Rose (not to mention that Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward were gorgeous looking ladies) and Sarah Jane Smith would be the quintessential companion. I am not quite sure about Tegan though, what with her pseudoAustralian accent (ok it could be real for all I know, granted I have never heard an Australian speak like that, but that may be because I don't live in Queensland)
She was actually Australian, so while her accent was atrocious, it was genuine. It was Peri whose accent was fake, irritating, and inconsistent.mr friendly guy wrote:And yeah, I also thought Romana (both of them) were more interesting companions than Rose (not to mention that Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward were gorgeous looking ladies) and Sarah Jane Smith would be the quintessential companion. I am not quite sure about Tegan though, what with her pseudoAustralian accent (ok it could be real for all I know, granted I have never heard an Australian speak like that, but that may be because I don't live in Queensland)
Tegan I felt improved as a character after Arc of Infinity. I can't say she was ever my favourite but not the worst. Jo Grant I've not seen in any story though I've seen her rather infamous Dalek picture.Ryushikaze wrote:She was actually Australian, so while her accent was atrocious, it was genuine. It was Peri whose accent was fake, irritating, and inconsistent.
Other companions who would do well with a revisit IMHO, are Jo Grant and Ace. Also, Jamie and Victoria in some regard (if only to get an idea of the actual explanation of what was going on with 2 and his TARDIS in The Two Doctors, though the season 6b explanation works well enough).
With regards to a big giant Clusterfuck for Tennant's send off, I'd really rather not. I'd like either the rise of a new enemy, or the return of a classic we haven't seen in the new series to date. The toymaker, perhaps. He did promise to reconstitute himself and come back for the doctor, after all.
Ace, well I've only got one McCoy story and thats Remembrance of the Daleks.
