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Blast from the past: Glass-Steagall act repealed

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I thought this was an interesting article since if there was one single action that caused the current crisis, this was probably it.

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November 5, 1999

CONGRESS PASSES WIDE-RANGING BILL EASING BANK LAWS

By STEPHEN LABATON

Congress approved landmark legislation today that opens the door for a new era on Wall Street in which commercial banks, securities houses and insurers will find it easier and cheaper to enter one another's businesses.

The measure, considered by many the most important banking legislation in 66 years, was approved in the Senate by a vote of 90 to 8 and in the House tonight by 362 to 57. The bill will now be sent to the president, who is expected to sign it, aides said. It would become one of the most significant achievements this year by the White House and the Republicans leading the 106th Congress.

''Today Congress voted to update the rules that have governed financial services since the Great Depression and replace them with a system for the 21st century,'' Treasury Secretary Lawrence H. Summers said. ''This historic legislation will better enable American companies to compete in the new economy.''

The decision to repeal the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933 provoked dire warnings from a handful of dissenters that the deregulation of Wall Street would someday wreak havoc on the nation's financial system. The original idea behind Glass-Steagall was that separation between bankers and brokers would reduce the potential conflicts of interest that were thought to have contributed to the speculative stock frenzy before the Depression.

Today's action followed a rich Congressional debate about the history of finance in America in this century, the causes of the banking crisis of the 1930's, the globalization of banking and the future of the nation's economy.

Administration officials and many Republicans and Democrats said the measure would save consumers billions of dollars and was necessary to keep up with trends in both domestic and international banking. Some institutions, like Citigroup, already have banking, insurance and securities arms but could have been forced to divest their insurance underwriting under existing law. Many foreign banks already enjoy the ability to enter the securities and insurance industries.

''The world changes, and we have to change with it,'' said Senator Phil Gramm of Texas, who wrote the law that will bear his name along with the two other main Republican sponsors, Representative Jim Leach of Iowa and Representative Thomas J. Bliley Jr. of Virginia. ''We have a new century coming, and we have an opportunity to dominate that century the same way we dominated this century. Glass-Steagall, in the midst of the Great Depression, came at a time when the thinking was that the government was the answer. In this era of economic prosperity, we have decided that freedom is the answer.''

In the House debate, Mr. Leach said, ''This is a historic day. The landscape for delivery of financial services will now surely shift.''

But consumer groups and civil rights advocates criticized the legislation for being a sop to the nation's biggest financial institutions. They say that it fails to protect the privacy interests of consumers and community lending standards for the disadvantaged and that it will create more problems than it solves.

The opponents of the measure gloomily predicted that by unshackling banks and enabling them to move more freely into new kinds of financial activities, the new law could lead to an economic crisis down the road when the marketplace is no longer growing briskly.

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''I think we will look back in 10 years' time and say we should not have done this but we did because we forgot the lessons of the past, and that that which is true in the 1930's is true in 2010,'' said Senator Byron L. Dorgan, Democrat of North Dakota. ''I wasn't around during the 1930's or the debate over Glass-Steagall. But I was here in the early 1980's when it was decided to allow the expansion of savings and loans. We have now decided in the name of modernization to forget the lessons of the past, of safety and of soundness.''

Senator Paul Wellstone, Democrat of Minnesota, said that Congress had ''seemed determined to unlearn the lessons from our past mistakes.''

''Scores of banks failed in the Great Depression as a result of unsound banking practices, and their failure only deepened the crisis,'' Mr. Wellstone said. ''Glass-Steagall was intended to protect our financial system by insulating commercial banking from other forms of risk. It was one of several stabilizers designed to keep a similar tragedy from recurring. Now Congress is about to repeal that economic stabilizer without putting any comparable safeguard in its place.''

Supporters of the legislation rejected those arguments. They responded that historians and economists have concluded that the Glass-Steagall Act was not the correct response to the banking crisis because it was the failure of the Federal Reserve in carrying out monetary policy, not speculation in the stock market, that caused the collapse of 11,000 banks. If anything, the supporters said, the new law will give financial companies the ability to diversify and therefore reduce their risks. The new law, they said, will also give regulators new tools to supervise shaky institutions.

''The concerns that we will have a meltdown like 1929 are dramatically overblown,'' said Senator Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska.

Others said the legislation was essential for the future leadership of the American banking system.

''If we don't pass this bill, we could find London or Frankfurt or years down the road Shanghai becoming the financial capital of the world,'' said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York. ''There are many reasons for this bill, but first and foremost is to ensure that U.S. financial firms remain competitive.''

But other lawmakers criticized the provisions of the legislation aimed at discouraging community groups from pressing banks to make more loans to the disadvantaged. Representative Maxine Waters, Democrat of California, said during the House debate that the legislation was ''mean-spirited in the way it had tried to undermine the Community Reinvestment Act.'' And Representative Barney Frank, Democrat of Massachusetts, said it was ironic that while the legislation was deregulating financial services, it had begun a new system of onerous regulation on community advocates.

Many experts predict that, even though the legislation has been trailing market trends that have begun to see the cross-ownership of banks, securities firms and insurers, the new law is certain to lead to a wave of large financial mergers.

The White House has estimated the legislation could save consumers as much as $18 billion a year as new financial conglomerates gain economies of scale and cut costs.

Other experts have disputed those estimates as overly optimistic, and said that the bulk of any profits seen from the deregulation of financial services would be returned not to customers but to shareholders.

These are some of the key provisions of the legislation:

*Banks will be able to affiliate with insurance companies and securities concerns with far fewer restrictions than in the past.

*The legislation preserves the regulatory structure in Washington and gives the Federal Reserve and the Office of Comptroller of the Currency roles in regulating new financial conglomerates. The Securities and Exchange Commission will oversee securities operations at any bank, and the states will continue to regulate insurance.

*It will be more difficult for industrial companies to control a bank. The measure closes a loophole that had permitted a number of commercial enterprises to open savings associations known as unitary thrifts.

One Republican Senator, Richard C. Shelby of Alabama, voted against the legislation. He was joined by seven Democrats: Barbara Boxer of California, Richard H. Bryan of Nevada, Russell D. Feingold of Wisconsin, Tom Harkin of Iowa, Barbara A. Mikulski of Maryland, Mr. Dorgan and Mr. Wellstone.

In the House, 155 Democrats and 207 Republicans voted for the measure, while 51 Democrats, 5 Republicans and 1 independent opposed it. Fifteen members did not vote.

Tucked away in the legislation is a provision that some experts today warned could cost insurance policyholders as much as $50 billion. The provision would allow mutual insurance companies to move to other states to avoid payments they would otherwise owe policyholders as they reorganize their corporate structure. Many states, including New York and New Jersey, do not allow such relocations without the consent of the insurer's domicile state. But the legislation before Congress would pre-empt the states.

Both the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company and the Prudential Life Insurance Company are in the midst of reorganizing into stock-based corporations that are requiring them to pay billions of dollars to policyholders from years of accumulated surplus. In exchange, the policyholders give up their ownership in the mutual insurance company.

The legislation would permit any mutual insurance company to avoid making surplus payments to policyholders by simply moving to states with more permissive laws and setting up a hybrid corporate structure known as a mutual holding company.

The provision was inserted by Representative Bliley at the urging of a trade association. It attracted little opposition because it was attached to a provision that forbids insurers from discriminating against domestic-violence victims.

In a letter sent to Congress this week, Mr. Summers said that the provision ''could allow insurance companies to avoid state law protecting policyholders, enriching insiders at the expense of consumers.''
I'm going to go to sleep and when I wake up I'll probably feel differently, but for right now I think every member of congress who voted for this needs to be hung from a lamp post. I'm sorry, but after reading this article where they were clearly warned what would happen, that's just how I feel. They knew what could happen and they voted for it anyway, with no regard for the consequences.

Obama probably isn't going to reinstate this, but in an alternate reality where we have a president who actually has what it takes to get us out of this mess, then down the line someone is going to want to repeal it all over again. I'm concerned about what they're going to see when they look back at history, whether they're going to see that the people who did it this time retired to a very lucrative lobbyist positions at financial firms, or got strung up from lamp posts, and what lessons they take away from that when the decide whether or not to try again.
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It's hard for me to get a good gauge on the much of the rest of the country because of where I live so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm skeptical this will be looked upon as the culprit.

The batshit loonies have got too many people convinced that it's the fault of bad loans (that's only the catalyst) and not a deeper problem and we should all blame Clinton and the CRA.
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''The concerns that we will have a meltdown like 1929 are dramatically overblown,'' said Senator Bob Kerrey, Democrat of Nebraska.
Joseph "Bob" Kerrey joined the Board of Directors of Tenet Healthcare Corporation (THC) in 2001 and is currently the second longest serving Board member of that company. In 2001, he exercised stock options he received from THC. Profits from that transaction exceeded $830,000. On January 5, 2009, Mr. Kerrey exercised more stock options and profited more than $13,000.

Tenet Healthcare Corporation was fined $1.7 Billion by the the United States government for a massive Medicare fraud scheme. In November 2002, Jeffery Barbakow, the former CEO of THC resigned in disgrace after the fraud was exposed to the public. Prior to his resignation however, Barbakow exercised stock options that profited him over $111 Million making him the highest paid CEO in America that year. In addition to the fraud conviction, the Tenet-owned hospital in Redding California was closed by the federal government after a whistle-blower disclosed that Tenet physicians had routinely performed unnecessary cardiac surgeries on edlerly patients in order to qualify for Medicare bonus payments.

The Tenet Shareholder Committee (TSC), a non-profit organization, was formed in an attempt to reform the company. TSC tried to enlist Mr. Kerrey in these efforts but he refused to meet with them. This organization abandoned its efforts in December 2008 after Tenet Healthcare stock fell from its high water mark of $52.50 per share to 99 cents per share in late 2008.

As of March 25 2009, the stock is trading at $1.20 a share.
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The Spartan wrote:It's hard for me to get a good gauge on the much of the rest of the country because of where I live so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm skeptical this will be looked upon as the culprit.

The batshit loonies have got too many people convinced that it's the fault of bad loans (that's only the catalyst) and not a deeper problem and we should all blame Clinton and the CRA.
It isn't. A lot of people I see on various message boards are still convinced it's the fault of Carter, the CRA, Clinton, and of course FDR for starting up Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae. They're still saying the Freddie, Fannie, and the CRA forced the banks to make trillions in bad loans to poor black people, and this is why everything's going to shit. And socialism, can't forget to blame socialism.
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To my knowledge, banks were securitizing mortgages through Fannie & Freddie over a decade before Gramm-Leach-Bliley. The portion of Glass-Steagall really relevant to the crisis was preventing loan securitization, but apparently the financial system had figured out how to launder securities through anyway. (Mind, mingling investment and commercial banks is not without risk, but commercial banks were making and selling these loans anyway.)

In any case, with so many factors combining to cause this mess (Greenspan's half-decade of easy credit, bad oversight & regulation of fraudulent loans, growth-at-all-costs philosophy, and shitty risk assessment all come to mind), it's difficult and probably simple-minded to pin the problem on any one act.
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Loopholes were found in the laws then in place, but the repeal of Glass-Steagall really opened the floodgates. Every and any kind of financial snake-oil scheme became practicable after that.
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The Spartan wrote:It's hard for me to get a good gauge on the much of the rest of the country because of where I live so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm skeptical this will be looked upon as the culprit.

The batshit loonies have got too many people convinced that it's the fault of bad loans (that's only the catalyst) and not a deeper problem and we should all blame Clinton and the CRA.
It isn't. A lot of people I see on various message boards are still convinced it's the fault of Carter, the CRA, Clinton, and of course FDR for starting up Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae. They're still saying the Freddie, Fannie, and the CRA forced the banks to make trillions in bad loans to poor black people, and this is why everything's going to shit. And socialism, can't forget to blame socialism.
Actually, that's pretty much what I was trying to say with "bad loans" and "blame Clinton".
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And yet, they had eight long years of George W. Bush, six of those years with solid majorities in all branches of government, and yet they did nothing to repeal those evil Clinton liberal policies. Hmmm.....
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Surlethe wrote:To my knowledge, banks were securitizing mortgages through Fannie & Freddie over a decade before Gramm-Leach-Bliley. The portion of Glass-Steagall really relevant to the crisis was preventing loan securitization, but apparently the financial system had figured out how to launder securities through anyway. (Mind, mingling investment and commercial banks is not without risk, but commercial banks were making and selling these loans anyway.)
Commercial banks could securitize mortgages by selling them to Freddie & Fannie, but they had to be conforming loans which had fairly decent standards on them. 20 years ago you couldn't package a bunch of subprime mortgages and sell it off to F&F, they actually had to be prime mortgages. There were lots of rules in place which kept the risk levels and possible losses manageable, and which got removed with the repeal of Glass-Steagall plus the removal of leverage limits & reserve requirements shortly thereafter.

The biggie in Glass-Steagall was the separation in commercial & investment banking, if an investment bank made some bad bets and lost a crapload of money it couldn't raid its commercial counterpart to cover the losses. If the JPM investment division took a loss, it couldn't empty out customer accounts from its commercial side and then do more gambling, this way you don't have systemic risk and the whole system going down because of some assclowns in the investment division acting like high-risk hedgefund managers. The investment banks go kaboom but the commercial banks are still fine and can keep lending & keep the credit flowing to those who need it.
In any case, with so many factors combining to cause this mess (Greenspan's half-decade of easy credit, bad oversight & regulation of fraudulent loans, growth-at-all-costs philosophy, and shitty risk assessment all come to mind), it's difficult and probably simple-minded to pin the problem on any one act.
True, but it was the repeal of Glass-Steagall which really got the ball rolling on everything else. I think of it as the key event which let everything else happen.
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