Sovereign wrote:The clones from AOTC were strong, I mean really really strong, because of their superior numbers and great training. But one thing I noticed is that it takes half a lifetime to grow and teach a clone.
No, it takes a few months to grow a clone, and 10 years to train one, until they get flash imprinting. Then it's about a year.
The Dominion on DS9 could make a clone in a Really Short time, like a day or hour or something like that. Now I am pretty sure than in a battle between the Jem'Hadar and Clones, the Jem'Hadar would win. This is not because I am all for Star Trek, it is because of how they are bred.
Oh good,your argument is based on genetics. Nice, because we wouldn't want it based on tactics, firepower, artillary, coordination, or anythign relevent to a real military conflict
The Jem'Hadar are bred for War, pure and simple.
And what do you think the clones are?
Killing is like Sex for them. They crave it, they fight all the time.
So, do you spend alot of time thinking about sex with Trek characters?
They will fight and die for the Founders without question, and more than half of them have never seen a Founder.
Same with the clones, only with them it is for anyone in command.
They have coded into their DNA the ability to Cloak or "Shroud" (SP) as they call it. So they can hide very easy.
I wonder how well that will work against the sensors in the Clones helmet.
They are super strong compared to a human, but not invincible.
Which only matters if it gets hand to hand, which any competent soldier won't let happen.
There tactics are great as well.
Yeah, head on charges are ingenius!
They will send in Holographic soldiers to trick the Enemy into attacking, this gives away your position, strengths, and numbers. And they do not lose a single soldier.
\It's called a feint, and it's the oldest trick in the book.
They set up mines called Houdinis, anti-personnel mines that "hide" in subspace, then explode without warning. They could be anywhere.
And which won't matter for shit because the AT-TEs will just go right over them like they were designed to do.
Another threat is the Founders themselves. They can turn into anything. A pot, a dog, a mouse, a Clone Stormtrooper! They could blend into a wall or a rock face.
I want you to show that the sensors in clone helmets won't pick this up.
They form bladed weapons with there arms and such.
Which matters for shit against a guy in armor using a ranged weapon.
They can turn to liquid and ooze where you cant get to. One thing they like to do is what the Yuuzhan Vong do. Send spies to Politically break things down there. One could replace an Admiral or Vader (well not replace Vader, but if a trooper ran into a fake Vader, would you be to afraid to shoot and hit the REAL Vader? Not a risk I would take)
Amazingly, quite a few people disagree with you. And I want to know how the founders are going to get past the security to do this, when it is established that cheap scanners can detect shape shifters.
Oh, This is all based around a ground combat like in Guerrilla war on planet AR-558, not full scale, Armies walking towards the other Armies, like in AOTC. More like ROTJ.
AR-558 was not guerrilla war numb nuts.
Sovereign wrote:Most likely true. But in Guerrilla war like on a planet like AR-558, there are other factors that come in. Although they do not have Armor, their dark color makes them easy to hide, plus their cloaking ability.
Dark color doesn't mean shit against IR, and show cloaking would fool clone helmets
Storm Troopers have white armor, easy to see. Even in ROTJ they had white, in a Forrest planet. White on Hoth is good, but not on Endor or AR-558.
Since they would be the defenders, why the fuck would it matter?
Sovereign wrote:Need I remind anyone that the clones had the droid army in full retreat in about 20 minutes?
That was Army marches towards Army, not Guerrilla War.
AR-558 was Army on Army dumbass. The fact that a platoon of SFers took a chokepoint to make their stand from does not make it guerilla warfare. By your terminology, WW2 would have been a guerilla war.
And you're ignoring the point. Replace the Feds with WWII Germans with Mg42s and the Jemmies would be slaughtered.
Thats a little too far back in history. The Jem'Hadar are still stronger than that.
A wwell set up German choke poiint would massacre those fuckers. More advanced tech != better fighters.
Sovereign wrote:I am not saying that they dont have all this stuff in there helmets, but, does anybody have a pic of the inside of one, that shows all this stuff? Mechs are not in this battle either. I openly said they would be slaughtered in Army vs Army, that is why I said Guerrilla War on AR-558 instead. And for some small planet, they would not use 200,000 troops. How many are in a small unit such as this?
A full platoon, but since you are running this like a force sub instead of neutral ground, call it 150, same as the feds started off with.
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Sovie is actually posting in one of his old threads. His arguments still don't make any sense, but at least he's showing a little responsibility. 
