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Video reveals G20 police assault on man who died

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/0 ... ce-assault
Dramatic footage obtained by the Guardian shows that the man who died at last week's G20 protests in London was attacked from behind and thrown to the ground by a baton–wielding police officer in riot gear.

Moments after the assault on Ian Tomlinson was captured on video, he suffered a heart attack and died.

The Guardian is preparing to hand a dossier of evidence to the police complaints watchdog.

It sheds new light on the events surrounding the death of the 47-year-old newspaper seller, who had been on his way home from work when he was confronted by lines of riot police near the Bank of England.

The submission to the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) includes a collection of testimonies from witnesses, along with the video footage, shot at around 7.20pm, which shows Tomlinson at Royal Exchange Passage.

The film reveals that as he walks, with his hands in his pockets, he does not speak to the police or offer any resistance.

A phalanx of officers, some with dogs and some in riot gear, are close behind him and try to urge him forward.

A Metropolitan police officer appears to strike him with a baton, hitting him from behind on his upper thigh.

Moments later, the same policeman rushes forward and, using both hands, pushes Tomlinson in the back and sends him flying to the ground, where he remonstrates with police who stand back, leaving bystanders to help him to his feet.

The man who shot the footage, a fund manager from New York who was in London on business, said: "The primary reason for me coming forward is that it was clear the family were not getting any answers."

The Guardian's dossier also includes a sequence of photographs, taken by three different people, showing the aftermath of the attack, as well as witness statements from people in the area at the time.

A number of witnesses provided time and date-stamped photographs that substantiate their accounts.

Some said they saw police officers attack Tomlinson.

Witnesses said that, prior to the moment captured on video, he had already been hit with batons and thrown to the floor by police who blocked his route home.

One witness, Anna Branthwaite, a photographer, described how, in the minutes before the video was shot, she saw Tomlinson walking towards Cornhill Street.

"A riot police officer had already grabbed him and was pushing him," she said.

"It wasn't just pushing him – he'd rushed him. He went to the floor and he did actually roll. That was quite noticeable.

"It was the force of the impact. He bounced on the floor. It was a very forceful knocking down from behind. The officer hit him twice with a baton when he was lying on the floor.

"So it wasn't just that the officer had pushed him – it became an assault.

"And then the officer picked him up from the back, continued to walk or charge with him, and threw him.

"He was running and stumbling. He didn't turn and confront the officer or anything like that."

The witness accounts contradict the official version of events given by police.

In an official statement on the night of Tomlinson's death, the Metropolitan police made no reference to any contact with officers and simply described attempts by police medics and an ambulance crew to save his life after he collapsed – efforts they said were marred by protesters throwing missiles as first aid was administered .

The force said officers had created a cordon around Tomlinson to give him CPR.

"The officers took the decision to move him as during this time a number of missiles - believed to be bottles - were being thrown at them," it said.

Yesterday, the IPCC began managing an investigation by City of London police into the circumstances of Tomlinson's death after the Guardian published photographs of him on the ground and witness statements indicated he had been assaulted by police officers.

The IPCC commissioner for London, Deborah Glass, said: "Initially, we had accounts from independent witnesses who were on Cornhill, who told us that there had been no contact between the police and Mr Tomlinson when he collapsed."

"However, other witnesses who saw him in the Royal Exchange area have since told us that Mr Tomlinson did have contact with police officers.

"This would have been a few minutes before he collapsed. It is important that we are able to establish as far as possible whether that contact had anything to do with his death."

The IPCC added that Tomlinson was captured on CCTV walking onto Royal Exchange Passage.

"This is the aspect of the incident that the IPCC is now investigating," it said.

It was here the video was shot. A post mortem carried out by a Home Office pathologist last Friday revealed Tomlinson died of a heart attack.

Prior to seeing the dossier of evidence, Tomlinson's family said in a statement: "There were so many people around where Ian died, and so many people with cameras, that somebody must have seen what happened in the Royal Exchange passageway.

"We need to know what happened there and whether it had anything to do with Ian's death.

"We know that some people who were at the protest may not feel comfortable talking to the police.

"People are putting pictures on the internet, writing on blogs and talking to journalists. But we really need them to talk to the people who are investigating what happened."

Full investigation in tomorrow's Guardian
This is the man who police said died of natural causes.

In England, the police create what they call "kettles" where they force protestors and those who work in buildings into contained areas, not letting anyone leave. This man worked at a building in the area, and was trying to go home.

Under most law systems, you are responsible for whatever happens to someone whom you forcibly keep contained. In this case, they are guilty of murder. At first, from previous reports, the police refused to bring in an ambulance, and when one finally came, it took 12 minutes to get one to pick up the body.

Now, video and photos show the victim being attacked from behind and murdered.

The Met has gone down hill. It was recently revealed that they refused to act on two rapists who had commited upwards of 250 rape between them, and it took a higher police force less than 24 hours to catch one of the men.

It seems to be no longer safe in London.
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The thugs rule the streets here in London, and it's not surprising given the police are acting like thugs. :?
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How the fuck did they think they were going to get away with this?

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Of course there's video of every time the police clash with protesters. If the cops are not being filmed by the media, they are sure as hell being filmed by the crowd. This reminds me of Ryan Moats, the NFL who was rushing to the Hospital with his wife and friends where his mother in law was dieing. Cop stopped him for running(Rolling rather, he ran the light like a stop-sign, he slowed down, then ran through it after looking) a red light near the hospital. Or rather tried to stop him. Moats kept going the two blocks to the hospital, pulled into the parking lot.

To make a long story short Moats got out, handed the cop his license told him he was hearing to see his dieing mother in law(Several times) and told him if he had to pay a fine, then go ahead write him a ticket he'd pay while the cop hemmed and hawed and made all sorts of none specific threats about taking him to jail for running the light. The whole thing was captured on the dashboard camera. The cop kept him in that Hospital parking lot for close on twenty minutes until Hospital staff intervened by the wife request.

Same thing here, I don't know if it's fight or flight but these riot police should damn well know they are being filmed. And should kept that in mind.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/apr/0 ... -witnesses

Some more here. This is witness reports.

Apparently, that attack on video was the second time he was attacked by the police.

As well, the police handlers used their dogs to attack people, with some quite vicious wounds on arms and such.

This bit is quite enlightening:
And afterwards the police said it would take a very brave coroner to proclaim that the cause of death was because he was beaten up, or because of the protests that day. They said it would take a brave coroner to suggest the cause of death was because of any wrongdoing by the police.
And before that, the police were not to keen on help treating the guy from the ambulance crew:
I rang 999. I was on the phone. They said, 'is he breathing?' Then they asked me to put him on his back. So with the help of the person I was with, we managed to get him on to his back.

Not long after that a group of four or five riot police came running out from the crowd and surrounded him. The ambulancewoman on the phone said to me, 'can you pass me to the police?' I said, 'I've got the ambulance on the phone, do you want to speak to them?' They just ignored me.
Makes you question the heart attack as the cause of death.
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When I first read the Guardian piece (the one with no photos or video) the other day I cautioned those I discussed it with to bear in mind that in this situation both sides have good reason to lie, it's rather depressing that I was being far too generous to the police.

I'm really not at all surprised about the police assaulting a passer by in this manner though, in my experience whilst the police on a protest on a local matter are generally fine however they seem to scour the nation for assholes to police the national ones, either that or just tell that to treat anyone they come into contact with not in uniform as scum.

I attended a symbolic rice eating on a park when G something or other ministers met in my city a few years back, this was an event organised by fair trade types and touchy feely local clerics largely attended by families miles away from where the G7/8/20 ministers were meeting with layers of security between us and them. Initially the mood was very nice with just a few standard police about but then progressively darkened as a a bunch of fully tooled up mounted riot police took up station on a small rise in the park overlooking the rice eating and then got progressively worse as riot police dressed in all black body armour head to toe with shield and batons began to build up round the park and pressure people to leave it but then stopped them leaving in most directions with no explanation as to why or under what law they were stopping us. They genuinely seemed to be doing everything they could to turn things nasty.
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Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?

Because I'm tired of rioters and I'm tired of police brutality and if we have less of the former it seems reasonable to me that we'd have less of the latter.

I wouldn't really know how to go about verifying that, however.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?
Yes, I would. It sounds like nothing more than an attempt to excuse a murder committed by the police so you can bash some protesters.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?

Because I'm tired of rioters and I'm tired of police brutality and if we have less of the former it seems reasonable to me that we'd have less of the latter.

I wouldn't really know how to go about verifying that, however.
I would call it a lack of logic, and a twisted ethics, and a red flag on your suitability for procreation. The police are there in order to protect the people. Saying that they are a slave to their impulses, and because they have been repeatedly asked to do their duty, a duty they did indeed sign up for, are no longer responsible for their own actions... we don't even let average people get away with that. Police are held to a higher standard than your average schmoe. If these officers can't keep a level head then they don't deserve to be given this degree of authority.

Even if we are to assert that police, as human beings, do have a breaking point, these officers have no reason to be anywhere near that. They were not under assault, they were not even being physically impeded. Watch the footage. There were a swarm of them, with dogs and batons. That gives them more than enough safety that rational decision-making is allowed for.
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Ryan Thunder wrote:Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?
Right so let me get this straight, one or more riot police attacked without provocation a man with his hands in his pockets walking home from work and that's the fault of people exercising their democratic right to protest :wtf:

What you don't seem to get is that the heavy handed acts of the police in situations like this play a huge part in turning demonstrations into riots. When the police go round assaulting people simply for being there, regardless of what it is they're doing, is it any wonder that things turn nasty?

On situations like this there's a small minority of violent anarchists and radical socialists who do go looking for a fight and the polices job should be to contain them and minimise the violence. Instead the police seem to practically set out to create violent atmospheres and by attacking peaceful demonstrators and random passers by provoke rather than contain violence.
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Another issue here it that the policeman who assaulted Mr Tomlinson most likely causing his death will likely never be identified due to the fact that he and all his colleagues had their faces covered ensuring their anonymity and in my opinion encouraging reckless action.

I think riot police should be required by law to have large serial numbers printed on their riot gear with the suit issued to each officer recorded before each deployment to ensure that any officers assaulting and even murdering people can be identified from any footage captured of the event.
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Another issue here it that the policeman who assaulted Mr Tomlinson most likely causing his death will likely never be identified due to the fact that he and all his colleagues had their faces covered ensuring their anonymity and in my opinion encouraging reckless action.
The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
I think riot police should be required by law to have large serial numbers printed on their riot gear
From some of the video footage I saw of the protest some of the police did have numbers on their jackets and helmets, presumably to identify them. It may have just been to identify squads though rather than individuals.
Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?
When did it become a riot rather than a protest.
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Darth Tanner wrote:
Another issue here it that the policeman who assaulted Mr Tomlinson most likely causing his death will likely never be identified due to the fact that he and all his colleagues had their faces covered ensuring their anonymity and in my opinion encouraging reckless action.
The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
That wasn't his job. This guy wasn't rioting, or protesting, or yelling or being threatening. He was walking away, head down, hands in pockets. Policemen are perfectly capable for their own decision-making, and therefore responsible for their own actions. They are not above the law, or above simple human restraint.

There was no reason for a use of force, therefore no use of force can be justified, especially not lethal force. This is not their job. This was not their training. This was a person choosing to strike a man, and others choosing to cover it up.
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Darth Tanner wrote: The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
That´s like saying a bricklayer was just doing his job when he left out a couple of bricks in a wall that is responsible for the building colapsing.
Just doing his job. You must be joking.
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Darth Tanner wrote:The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
How was it the polices 'job' to assault a man walking home from work with his hands in his pockets? Since when to police get blanket immunity for crimes up to and including man slaughter/murder just because they're on duty?
I think riot police should be required by law to have large serial numbers printed on their riot gear
From some of the video footage I saw of the protest some of the police did have numbers on their jackets and helmets, presumably to identify them. It may have just been to identify squads though rather than individuals.
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What distinguishing marks can you see on the man assaulting Mr Tomlinson?
Would you call it twisted logic on my part to conclude that this guy's death is on the heads of the rioters for necessitating the deployment of riot police in the first place?
When did it become a riot rather than a protest.
Regardless of when rioting started elsewhere there was obviously no riot going on when Mr Tomlinson was assaulted. This obviously wasn't done in the heat of a pitched battle between police and rioters, if it had been I really rather doubt that the victim would have been calmly walking along with his hands in his pockets.
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Darth Tanner wrote:The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
Bullshit. I'm pretty sure someone like Kamikazi Sith can give a better account than me, but theoretically police training would involve a lot of focus on what represents a dangerous situation, what doesn't, and what level of force is appropriate for each. A person walking by with his hands in his pockets is not a danger to a line of policemen in riot gear with K9 units. The individual policemen made the conscious choice to attack an unarmed, unthreatening civilian, and they ought to have the book thrown at them for it.
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Darth Tanner wrote: The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
Did you read the OP Darth Tanner?


A Metropolitan police officer appears to strike him with a baton, hitting him from behind on his upper thigh.

Moments later, the same policeman rushes forward and, using both hands, pushes Tomlinson in the back and sends him flying to the ground, where he remonstrates with police who stand back, leaving bystanders to help him to his feet.

That's not a group beating no, but if you see one Policeman rushing forward twice and hitting and pushing the guy down then yes you can and should go after him if it was these injuries.

The worst part of this whole bit of course is the wunkerkin police force watchdog group that decides after this man dies(And they damn well know their being filmed considering the amount of pictures and videos that came out of this) to hem and haw about this rather than simply say "We are investigating this, if you have film please come forward". They first responded with a natural causes quote which I can only find on one website(The Sun) and no where else so they were not so dumb as to deny everything. But they did it seem try and write it off to begin with claiming he just happened to drop dead of a heart attack in front of a line of riot police and the brave policemen charged in to give him medical aid while the mean old protesters threw bottles at them.

The rough events it seems per the video(And eyewitnesses) is, he was walking by the riot police(This part is unclear), one moved out and hit him so he turned away to walk directly away from the police with his hands in his pockets and an officer(The same one who hit him per reports) hopped out of line and shoved him where-in he fell to the ground(Reports say he was or he was not also struck while on the ground) he then remonstrates(I assume swear at) police, then bystanders help him up then he starts walking away then bam heart attack time. The police ignore him at first, the crowd calls for a medic, the police send one in, beer bottles are tossed from the crowd, people in the crowd turn on the throwers, the cops get him out of there. He dies.


Needless to say eyewitness testimony is questionable and we don't have access to most of the six or so videos that were recorded of varying qualities but here's the Youtube of the Guardian's video, there are three other video's on Youtube if you want but this one is the Guardians
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He does seem to be dawdling a bit, I wonder if he was making a point about the police pressure being ridiculous and the police decided he wasn't acting quick enough.

That's pretty damning though. Those police/thugs were spoiling for a fight, look at the way they were trying to use the dogs to intimidate him.

Police policies in this country need a serious overhaul, especially in London.
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Plekhanov wrote:Another issue here it that the policeman who assaulted Mr Tomlinson most likely causing his death will likely never be identified due to the fact that he and all his colleagues had their faces covered ensuring their anonymity and in my opinion encouraging reckless action.

I think riot police should be required by law to have large serial numbers printed on their riot gear with the suit issued to each officer recorded before each deployment to ensure that any officers assaulting and even murdering people can be identified from any footage captured of the event.
I'm pretty sure their names are embroidered on their chests and probably their helmets. Though the quality of the video doesn't really give us a sharp enough imagine to conclude that there aren't identifiable marks...

That being said pushing that guy down was completely unnecessary. I can understand them being concerned because he had his hands in his pockets and seemed a bit suspicious but the proper method would have been to have two officers make contact and move him to the rear of the line using the least amount of force necessary.
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In addendum,

Some British news channels are reporting that there is a previous incident that this particular video does not show.

There are several other videos of the incident apparently.
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Darth Tanner wrote: The individual policeman shouldn't be prosecuted, he was after all just doing his job. The officers and politicians who took the decision to deploy the riot police and gave them the traiing and instruction are the ones to be held to account.
Actually, it's common practice to deploy riot police for major protests. Their visibility helps deter actually rioting..at least until someone does something stupid like the officer in the video.
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What distinguishing marks can you see on the man assaulting Mr Tomlinson?
I think that dark object on their left breast area is the name tag...
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Kamakazie Sith wrote:I think that dark object on their left breast area is the name tag...
It's a blue reflective strip that says Police. It's common to all police high visibility jackets here.

Police don't have nametags here, they have a uniform number as a visible unique identifier, and it's usually on the epaulettes. Since high visibility jackets go over the normal uniform it would cover up the uniform number.

(The guy on the far left has his epaulettes visible, he may be a sergeant or something, if the picture was in focus and of high enough resolution, you'd be able to see his uniform number.)

It might well be worthwhile having the uniform number visible on high visibility gear as well, so that incidents like this could be reported more effectively for disciplinary or legal action, the same way they could be against a constable in normal uniform.
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I've actually changed my mind somewhat about this incident the more stuff comes out during the day.

The police do need to be identifiable, but there is no way this guy wasn't there for a reason. There are plenty of alternative routes for this guy to have used, and in the longer clip i've seen he's shown being uncooperative with the police.
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You can interpret the guy wandering around various streets however you want - either he's trying to get home and keeps finding his route blocked by the police and protesters or he's wandering around looking for trouble. Regardless of why he's wandering around, he is shoved by that policeman while acting in a completely unthreatening manner. Whatever he did before that video if it was serious enough to justify being shoved like that he should have been arrested before or immediately afterwards. That he wasn't heavily implies he'd done nothing wrong.

To me this seems to be another case of the UK police misusing their powers. The Met really should have learned from their past failings not to give press announcements giving details prematurely - in this case that he died of a heart attack before a coroner has seen him. The more abuses unfold on camera and the more excessive powers they demand the less and less the public will trust them.

The only experiences I've had with my local police force (having only lived in the area for a couple of years) have been uniformly negative. They managed to go to XXXX Place instead of XXXX Street and missed a crime in progress, told me that someone's tenant breaking the communal front door was just swell, stopped twice for the crime of walking in a t-shirt just after sunset in summer (my only guess as to why they stopped me, wasn't in a dodgy area just walking home and they expressed particular interest in my wearing a t-shirt). I was also threatened with being arrested while breaking into my own flat but that's more the estate agent's fault.
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Re: Video reveals G20 police assault on man who died

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I have nothing to complain about the police in my area, but the London Met seem very dysfunctional and incoherent in conduct, with a few very bad apples rotting the whole barrel. Something must be very wrong if they're mostly going after normal people doing innocuous things while they (and the failing courts) are too often allowing the career criminals, chavs, immigrant vagabonds, and gang bangers go about their business, ruining it for the mostly powerless middle classes and poor.
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