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PARKLAND, Fla. - At the height of the U.S. housing boom, when building materials were in short supply, American construction companies used millions of pounds of Chinese-made drywall because it was abundant and cheap.

Now that decision is haunting hundreds of homeowners and apartment dwellers who are concerned that the wallboard gives off fumes that can corrode copper pipes, blacken jewelry and silverware, and possibly sicken people.

Shipping records reviewed by The Associated Press indicate that imports of potentially tainted Chinese building materials exceeded 500 million pounds during a four-year period of soaring home prices. The drywall may have been used in more than 100,000 homes, according to some estimates, including houses rebuilt after Hurricane Katrina.

"This is a traumatic problem of extraordinary proportions," said U.S. Rep. Robert Wexler, a Florida Democrat who introduced a bill in the House calling for a temporary ban on the Chinese-made imports until more is known about their chemical makeup. Similar legislation has been proposed in the Senate.

The drywall apparently causes a chemical reaction that gives off a rotten-egg stench, which grows worse with heat and humidity.

Researchers do not know yet what causes the reaction, but possible culprits include fumigants sprayed on the drywall and material inside it. The Chinese drywall is also made with a coal byproduct called fly ash that is less refined than the form used by U.S. drywall makers.

Dozens of homeowners in the Southeast have sued builders, suppliers and manufacturers, claiming the very walls around them are emitting smelly sulfur compounds that are poisoning their families and rendering their homes uninhabitable.

"It's like your hopes and dreams are just gone," said Mary Ann Schultheis, who has suffered burning eyes, sinus headaches, and a general heaviness in her chest since moving into her brand-new, 4,000-square foot house in this tidy South Florida suburb a few years ago.

She has few options. Her builder is in bankruptcy, the government is not helping and her lender will not give her a break.

"I'm just going to cry," she said. "We don't know what we're going to do."

Builders have filed their own lawsuits against suppliers and manufacturers, claiming they unknowingly used the bad building materials.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission is investigating, as are health departments in Virginia, Louisiana, North Carolina, Florida and Washington state.

Companies that produced some of the wallboard said they are looking into the complaints, but downplayed the possibility of health risks.

"What we're trying to do is get to the bottom of what is precisely going on," said Ken Haldin, a spokesman for Knauf Plasterboard Tianjin, a Chinese company named in many of the lawsuits.

The Chinese ministries of commerce, construction and industry and the Administration of Quality Supervision Inspection and Quarantine did not respond to repeated requests for comment. Chinese news reports have said AQSIQ, which enforces product quality standards, was investigating the complaints, but people in the agency's press office said they could not confirm that.

Meanwhile, governors in Louisiana and Florida are asking for federal assistance, and experts say the problem is only now beginning to surface.

"Based on the amount of material that came in, it's possible that just in one year, 100,000 residences could be involved," said Michael Foreman, who owns a construction consulting firm. The company has performed tests on some 200 homes in the Sarasota area and has been tracking shipments of the drywall.

Federal authorities say they are investigating just how much of the wallboard was imported. Shipping records analyzed by the AP show that more than 540 million pounds of plasterboard — which includes both drywall and ceiling tile panels — was imported from China between 2004 and 2008, although it's unclear whether all of that material was problematic or only certain batches.

Most of it came into the country in 2006, following a series of Gulf Coast hurricanes and a domestic shortage brought on by the national housing boom.

The Chinese board was also cheaper. One homeowner told AP he saved $1,000 by building his house with it instead of a domestic product.

In 2006, enough wallboard was imported from China to build some 34,000 homes of roughly 2,000 square feet each, according to AP's analysis of the shipping records and estimates supplied by the nationwide drywall supplier United States Gypsum.

Experts and advocates say many homes may have been built with a mixture of Chinese and domestic drywall, potentially raising the number of affected homes much higher.

So far, the problem appears to be concentrated in the Southeast, which blossomed with new construction during the housing boom and where the damp climate appears to cause the gypsum in the building material to degrade more quickly. In Florida alone, more than 35,000 homes may contain the product, experts said.

In Louisiana, the state health department has received complaints from at least 350 people in just a few weeks. Many of the affected homeowners rebuilt after Hurricane Katrina only to face the prospect of tearing down their houses and rebuilding again.

In another cruel twist, some of the very communities that have been hit hardest by the collapse of the housing market and skyrocketing foreclosure rates are now at the epicenter of the drywall problem.

Foreman warns of a "sleeping beast" in the thousands of bank-owned condos and houses across the country, with no one in them to complain.

Outside the South, it's harder to pinpoint the number of affected homes. And in drier climates such as California and Nevada, it may be years before homeowners begin to see — and smell — what may be lurking inside their walls.

The drywall furor is the latest in a series of scares over potentially toxic imports from China. In 2007, Chinese authorities ratcheted up inspections and tightened restrictions on exports after manufacturers were found to have exported tainted cough syrup, toxic pet food and toys decorated with lead paint.

Scientists hope to understand the problem by studying the chemicals in the board. Drywall consists of wide, flat boards used to cover walls. It is often made from gypsum, a common mineral that can be mined or manufactured from the byproducts of coal-fired power plants.

Plaintiffs in the lawsuits, as well as U.S. wallboard manufacturers, say the tainted drywall was made with fly ash, a residue of coal combustion more commonly used in concrete mixtures.

Fly ash can be gathered before it ever reaches the smokestack, where technology is used to remove sulfur dioxide from the emissions. The process of "scrubbing" the smokestack emissions creates calcium sulfate, or gypsum, which can then used to make wallboard, experts say.

Haldin, the Knaupf Tianjin spokesman, says some domestic drywall is also made from the less-refined fly ash.

But Michael Gardner, executive director of the U.S. Gypsum Association, said American manufacturers gather the gypsum from the smokestacks after the scrubbing, which produces a cleaner product.

The Consumer Product Safety Commission has dispatched teams of toxicologists, electrical engineers and other experts to Florida to study the phenomenon. The commission is also working with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to determine whether there is a health hazard.

A Florida Department of Health analysis found the Chinese drywall emits "volatile sulfur compounds," and contains traces of strontium sulfide, which can produce the rotten-egg odor and reacts with air to corrode metals and wires.

But the agency says on its Web site that it "has not identified data suggesting an imminent or chronic health hazard at this time."

"We're continuing to test," said Susan Smith, a spokeswoman for the department, which has logged 230 complaints from homeowners.

Dr. Patricia Williams, a University of New Orleans toxicologist hired by a Louisiana law firm that represents plaintiffs in some of the cases, said she has identified highly toxic compounds in the drywall, including hydrogen sulfide, sulfuric acid, sulfur dioxide and carbon disulfide.

Prolonged exposure to the compounds, especially high levels of carbon disulfide, can cause breathing problems, chest pains and even death; and can affect the nervous system, according to the CDC.

"It is absolutely shocking what is happening," Williams said.

Dr. Phillip Goad, a toxicologist hired by Knaupf Plasterboard Tianjin, sampled drywall from 25 homes, some that contained the company's wallboard and some that did not.

"The studies we have performed to date have identified very low levels of naturally occurring compounds," Goad said. "The levels we have detected do not present a public health concern. The chemicals are naturally occurring. They're produced in ocean water, in salt marsh air, in estuaries."

But those who are living with it are convinced that something is making them sick, including dozens of homeowners in a single subdivision in Parkland, about 50 miles north of Miami. They are now faced with a daunting choice: Tear down and rebuild, or move out and be stuck with a mortgage and a home they cannot sell.

"We are particularly concerned about the safety and well-being of our children," said Holly Krulik, who lives down the street from Mary Ann Schultheis.

She and her husband, Doug, are suffering sinus problems and respiratory ailments, and their young daughter has repeated nose bleeds.

"If a shiny copper coil can turn absolutely black within a matter of months, it certainly can't be good for human beings," Krulik said.

Neighbor John Willis is moving out, even though he can hardly afford to walk away from a house he's owned for just three years. He cries as he speaks of his 3-year-old son's respiratory infection, which eventually required surgery.

"They basically took out a substance that looked like rubber cement out of my 3-year-old son's sinuses," he said. "My wife and I are now faced with the choice between our children's health and our financial health. My children are always going to win on that."

The subdivision's builder, WCI Communities, is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy restructuring and can do little more than log complaints, said spokeswoman Connie Boyd.

The federal government does not regulate the chemical ingredients of imported drywall.

Plasterboard Tianjin said it has been making drywall for 10 years in accordance with U.S. and international standards.

Another Chinese company facing lawsuits, Taishan Gypsum Ltd., also insists that it meets all U.S. standards.

Determining what is causing the problems could take months. Researchers will try to recreate in a lab the conditions that caused the sulfur compounds normally found in drywall to give off noxious gases.

Meanwhile, people like Lisa Sich, 43, are left with more questions than answers. Sich has not felt well since moving into the Henderson, Nev., apartment she rents less than a year ago, and her silverware quickly tarnished.

"I can hear myself wheezing," said Sich, who is having environmental experts test the apartment, built in 2007. "My eyes are constantly itchy, extreme fatigue."

And while Sich is not even certain she's got the bad wallboard, she has not felt like herself in months. She's missed five weeks of work just since Thanksgiving.

"I'm just tired all the time," she said. "It doesn't make sense."
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I wonder how many other imported time bombs are ticking away in unexpected places. Maybe stories like this will increase 'buy American' sentiments in the US.
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So. . .tainted dairy products, tainted eggs, tainted drywall, tainted candy. . .is there anything coming out of China that isn't tainted?
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General Zod wrote:So. . .tainted dairy products, tainted eggs, tainted drywall, tainted candy. . .is there anything coming out of China that isn't tainted?
Well, there's a reason for that and it's all explained in the following video clip. Fastforward to a bit before the 2 minute mark.

http://unclejayexplains.com/2009/03/15/ ... h-16-2009/
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Maybe this is a silly question but how many coal plants does China have that getting gypsum from them is easier/cheaper then digging it out of the ground?
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Maybe this is a silly question but how many coal plants does China have that getting gypsum from them is easier/cheaper then digging it out of the ground?
The correct answer is "an absolute fuckload". They also seem to be following the good anarcho-capitalist behavior model where you scrape up as much profit by any means you can and fuck what it may do to the end users. Especially if they're abroad, as that means less chance of facing a firing squad than if you did it at home (ref. the milk scandal).
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Cpl Kendall wrote:Maybe this is a silly question but how many coal plants does China have that getting gypsum from them is easier/cheaper then digging it out of the ground?
China has been building an average of one new coal power plant a week, for something like the last 30 years. They had lots of them before that too, only a few have ever been closed down.

Coal ash is used to make lots of products in the US and the rest of the west too. But mostly it goes into concrete because that locks up all the toxic chemicals inside of it, removing the need for filtering them out. China also was and to an extent still is simply consuming a huge portion of all the worlds’ raw materials; they had to use any source they could get because literally you just couldn’t get the materials any other way. At one point Australian ports had more then 80 large coal and iron ore transports just sitting at anchor waiting for a slot to load. That was literally millions of tons of shipping immobilized, and well, you get the idea.
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General Zod wrote:So. . .tainted dairy products, tainted eggs, tainted drywall, tainted candy. . .is there anything coming out of China that isn't tainted?
Well, there's a reason for that and it's all explained in the following video clip. Fastforward to a bit before the 2 minute mark.

http://unclejayexplains.com/2009/03/15/ ... h-16-2009/
Yeah. . .sorry, I couldn't get past the part(s) where he was being a heavy-handed condescending douchebag.
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General Zod wrote:
J wrote:Well, there's a reason for that and it's all explained in the following video clip. Fastforward to a bit before the 2 minute mark.

http://unclejayexplains.com/2009/03/15/ ... h-16-2009/
Yeah. . .sorry, I couldn't get past the part(s) where he was being a heavy-handed condescending douchebag.
Part(s) would seem to imply there was a part of the video where he wasn't being a heavy-handed condescending douchebag. As far as I could tell, there wasn't.
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Terralthra wrote:
General Zod wrote:
J wrote:Well, there's a reason for that and it's all explained in the following video clip. Fastforward to a bit before the 2 minute mark.

http://unclejayexplains.com/2009/03/15/ ... h-16-2009/
Yeah. . .sorry, I couldn't get past the part(s) where he was being a heavy-handed condescending douchebag.
Part(s) would seem to imply there was a part of the video where he wasn't being a heavy-handed condescending douchebag. As far as I could tell, there wasn't.
I was trying to subtly imply that he was that way throughout the whole thing. :P
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General Zod wrote:So. . .tainted dairy products, tainted eggs, tainted drywall, tainted candy. . .is there anything coming out of China that isn't tainted?
Add to the list tainted fucking Chinese leather couches, tainted Chinese gravel in chairs, fucking deadly electronics...

I had to give a chair combining all of the above to the Quarantine agency because it was apparently potentially fatal to children! It was one of those little rocking chairs without the bases that have built in subwoofers. Really quite nice. But no, apparently the gaming chair is toxic.

It gave my dog a seizure. I hold the opinion we should just fucking ban ALL Chinese imports.
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My four-year old daughter asked me the other day where the stuff you buy from the shops comes from. Distractedly I told her that everything in the supermarket comes from the farm and everything else comes from China. She has been parroting the second part since. Lesson learned.
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I bought a memory stick from China which turned out to be crap. My dad gave me another one he got off ebay and it works like a charm. Ironically it was also from China. My portable hard drive works well, and I got it from China as well.

I also know WA hospitals receive a supply of the anticoagulant drug enoxaparin (clexane) from China, because a few years ago there was a contamination scare, where sulfur got mixed in, normally doesn't do anything to most people unless you had a prior allergy to sulfur drugs. I guess China must have fixed the problem since we are using clexane again.

I think the problem is there are some good stuff from China, but also shit stuff as well. The trick is being able to separate one from the other, which ideally should be the job of government regulation.
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Is it really necessary to tear these houses down instead of just replacing the drywall? If this happened in the UK, you'd just strip the plasterboard off the (concrete block) inner walls and replaster. It's sometimes used on a wooden frame for internal walls, but it isn't structural, so again you could just pull it off and put new board on. Is the US version somehow integral to the structure of the house?
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Starglider wrote:Is it really necessary to tear these houses down instead of just replacing the drywall? If this happened in the UK, you'd just strip the plasterboard off the (concrete block) inner walls and replaster. It's sometimes used on a wooden frame for internal walls, but it isn't structural, so again you could just pull it off and put new board on. Is the US version somehow integral to the structure of the house?
US houses are built on wood frames all around. So it's not just the internal walls, it's the whole building. We have similar standards up here in Canada.

I'd be more than happy to tear down my house and rebuild it with concrete or stone or brick or something that isn't a lovely place to drop a match. The neighbour's house is 8 or so feet away, on both sides, and one of them likes to smoke.
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Phantasee wrote:US houses are built on wood frames all around.
I know, but presumably you can pull the plasterboard off the wooden framing, then attach new plasterboard, avoiding the need to rebuild the frame, roof, windows, cladding, wiring, plumbing etc. Or do these people think that the 'poison' has somehow impregnated and irredeemably contaminated every piece of their dwellings?
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Depending on the wood used to build the house and what kinds of chemicals are causing the reaction then it could very well have impregnated itself in the wood over years. The carpeting probably also could have absorbed it. So can concrete. It took us two years to wash the smell of dog piss out of our basement.

If the "poison" is easily absorbed by porous material it could very well have contaminated the whole house.

Evidently the chemicals in the drywall are also capable of corroding wires and plumbing which would need to be replaced.
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US houses are built on wood frames all around. So it's not just the internal walls, it's the whole building. We have similar standards up here in Canada.
Why is that anyway? Is that just because wood is cheaper? Are there climate reasons? Stylistic ones? Or was it just the first pilgrim who got of the boat that didn't like bricks and the rest kinda went along with it?
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US houses are built on wood frames all around. So it's not just the internal walls, it's the whole building. We have similar standards up here in Canada.
Why is that anyway? Is that just because wood is cheaper? Are there climate reasons? Stylistic ones? Or was it just the first pilgrim who got of the boat that didn't like bricks and the rest kinda went along with it?
It's generally easier to prefab buildings made of wood than brick, so I'd imagine cost is a huge factor.
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The Goal of American homebuilding, you must understand, is to make the largest house for the cheapest price which can sold for the highest sale value possible. The homes build in the last 15 years start falling apart the moment they've finished construction.
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General Zod wrote: It's generally easier to prefab buildings made of wood than brick, so I'd imagine cost is a huge factor.
It doesn’t matter how you build, wood and steel framing (lots and lots of US houses now use some steel) are just much cheaper to build with then brick, stone or cinder block. The materials costs are lower and the labor requirements both in man hours and skill required are lower too. Doing a good job with masonry is much harder then it looks.

In Europe you see more masonry construction because the place is denser (reducing transport costs, and also making masons easier to find for a given job), it’s always simply had more masons, and it has to import most timber which reduces the cost advantage of wood construction. If the US didn’t still have primeval forests to cut down we’d use more bricks too.
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US houses are built on wood frames all around. So it's not just the internal walls, it's the whole building. We have similar standards up here in Canada.
Why is that anyway? Is that just because wood is cheaper? Are there climate reasons? Stylistic ones? Or was it just the first pilgrim who got of the boat that didn't like bricks and the rest kinda went along with it?
Wood was pretty enormously abundant when they got here, and we still grow an enormous amount of it.
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Sea Skimmer wrote: It doesn’t matter how you build, wood and steel framing (lots and lots of US houses now use some steel) are just much cheaper to build with then brick, stone or cinder block. The materials costs are lower and the labor requirements both in man hours and skill required are lower too. Doing a good job with masonry is much harder then it looks.
Sure, but the vast majority of cheap homes these days are prefabbed units because they cut down on costs and time so much, thus made out of materials cheap and easy to use. I can't help but imagine that's the case with the homes in Florida suffering this problem.
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Even nicer homes around here are built on wood frames, with plywood sheets on the outside, with some tar paper, and then siding or stucco or whatever finish you like on the outside.

Too bad vinyl siding, tar paper, and plywood are flammable, and houses are built too close together, and nobody is going to change the regulations because that would cost money.... Not even after an entire development burned to the ground a year or two ago, here. Just because nobody died, and all the homes were insured, and half of them were still under construction, even if that was just the finishing inside...
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Phantasee wrote:US houses are built on wood frames all around.
I know, but presumably you can pull the plasterboard off the wooden framing, then attach new plasterboard, avoiding the need to rebuild the frame, roof, windows, cladding, wiring, plumbing etc. Or do these people think that the 'poison' has somehow impregnated and irredeemably contaminated every piece of their dwellings?
If the contamination has already adversely affected wiring, etc. then you will have to replace the damaged parts beyond the drywall. At some point it becomes cheaper to tear everything down and rebuild than to keep repairing.

The only time you can "just" pull the old drywall and install new is if there hasn't been time for the contaminants to cause further damage.
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