TV Tropes: Standard Sci-Fi Fleet

[SAMAS]

The article

I know it may have some accuracy issues. After all, I wrote it, and even then I knew it was a basic framework.

Anything else I should add?

[Bounty]

... you're asking people to proofread a TVTropes article? You do know that's a joke site, right?

[Stark]

Wait, is it a 'tropes' article forcing standards and cliches into a part of fiction that actually generally isn't cliched? Are you saying the cliched space fleet has all that stuff? Because it really doesn't - 75% of that is just anime, and even just one sub-branch of anime (the giant robot/Macross ripoff). Your use of actual in-universe terms like assault carrier and battlestar makes it even lamer/more amusing. 'Sub-flight system' STILL has me laughing.

Oh man

'Dreadnought - the Battlestar writ even bigger than usual'

Dear lord; ps the faux-intellectual phrase that marks you as a pretentious cunt is 'writ large', not 'writ big', and equating dreadnoughts to battlestars is ... awesome.

BOUNTY IT'S NOT A JOKE SITE IT'S FULLY SERIOUS! It explains everything about fiction!

Just like the gaming tropes site. Did you know Halflife 2 defined pretty much every trope ever?

[Bounty]

BOUNTY IT'S NOT A JOKE SITE IT'S FULLY SERIOUS! It explains everything about fiction!

oh sorry I thought it was a place for fat anime nerds to yell about how the melancholy of azuroyumini gaiden toppan X or something has examples of Crowning End Credits of Awesome

[Stark]

Did you know any show you like has 'Crowning Credits of Awesome'?

[Anguirus]

Are any of us in a position to ridicule TVTropes for being a joke site? Cause this site is totally 100% serious business.

Anyway, the link sends me to a one-line summary so I'm not sure what there is to add.

[Bounty]

Did you know any show you like has 'Crowning Credits of Awesome'?

You know I never knew until I noticed.

[Stark]

Are any of us in a position to ridicule TVTropes for being a joke site?

Did we hurt your feelings? lol.

The current one-line version is if anything, MORE amusing than the 'I LIKE GUNDAM OK' version that was there before.

The joke is that he honestly asked us if there was anything to add, which means he thought it was complete.

[Stark]

tl;dr

Don't you understand that all fiction fits into 'tropes' that can be labouriously forced into every single example?

[SAMAS]

Did you know any show you like has 'Crowning Credits of Awesome'?

And what's wrong with that?

[Ford Prefect]

I missed the actual page, so I have no idea was in there. As far as I can tell, the notion of a 'trope' page is to make note of commonality of literary devices in fiction. At least, this is the pinciple, the execution is flawed primarily because everyone who actually contributes to the site seems to forget that trops come from fiction, not that fiction is made up of tropes. The notion of a 'standard sci fi fleet' as a trope is broken: having spaceships in space isn't a literary device in the sense that lots of Japanese fiction have four major sub-boss antagonist dudes because 'shi' is the sound for both 'four' and 'death'.

And what's wrong with that?

Ever heard of 'subjectivity'?



PS. Bounty I can appreciate any sort of kick to the proverbials of fat anime nerds, but making up a name out of a variety of (incorrect) titles of multiple shows isn't exactly much of a scathing insult.

[Bounty]

PS. Bounty I can appreciate any sort of kick to the proverbials of fat anime nerds, but making up a name out of a variety of (incorrect) titles of multiple shows isn't exactly much of a scathing insult.

I tried to make it non-specific. Take any TVTropes page, look under anime, put in blender, done.

[SAMAS]

Wait, is it a 'tropes' article forcing standards and cliches into a part of fiction that actually generally isn't cliched?

You know that Tropes aren't always cliches, right?

Are you saying the cliched space fleet has all that stuff?

No. I'm saying that Sci-Fi fleets often have some mix of them.

Because it really doesn't - 75% of that is just anime, and even just one sub-branch of anime (the giant robot/Macross ripoff).

Looking at the article, it seems to be mostly RPGs and video games. And Movies. And TV shows... Space Opera and/or Military Sci-Fi is a relatively small part of anime. In fact, I got more of that from Star Wars, Wing Commander, Homeworld, and Freespace than Mobile Suit Gundam.

Your use of actual in-universe terms like assault carrier and battlestar makes it even lamer/more amusing. 'Sub-flight system' STILL has me laughing.

Why? It was the best title I could come up with. What is wrong with it, other than the fact that it came from an anime?

Oh man

'Dreadnought - the Battlestar writ even bigger than usual'

Dear lord; ps the faux-intellectual phrase that marks you as a pretentious cunt is 'writ large', not 'writ big', and equating dreadnoughts to battlestars is ... awesome.

I thought TV Tropes was supposed to not be a serious site?

I mean, that was just off the top of my head. If you got a better description, it would be welcome (I'm not dismissing you, I really mean that).

[Stark]

Capital Ships a.k.a. Ships of the Line
Corvette/Frigate/Destroyer/Cruiser - Various smaller capital ships, ranging from small assault boats slightly larger than a Bomber to massive ships nearly a mile in length. Which size class gets which name varies from universe to universe, but is usually in the size and name order given above. With the exception of those crewed by main characters, these are usually the equivalent to Red Shirts in the fleet when the shooting starts.
Battleship - A massive ship, usually the largest ship in the fleet, bristling with big guns.
Carrier - An Airborne Aircraft Carrier several thousand feet (plus!) higher. Lightly armed, but carries Space Fighters of all kinds, and is usually escorted by other Capital Ships.
The Battlestar - Wields both guns and fighters, and is more often than not the Flagship of the fleet (unless a Dreadnought is on the scene). See the trope for details.
Dreadnought - The Battlestar writ even bigger than usual. Rarely less than a mile in length, it is usually the largest ship (type) in the universe, armed with the biggest and/or most of everything. Due to the fact that they're so large and powerful, they're usually reserved for The Empire.
Space Station - Usually rivaled in size only by the Battleship and Dreadnought classes, these are (relatively) immobile structures used for all kinds of duties, from habitats (Space Colonies), to fortresses, space ports, factories, and the like. Colony Drops are always a danger when these things get knocked out of orbit.
The Worldship - Thats No Moon, that's a space station! These are basically mobile Space Stations, which may be used as homes by nomadic civilizations (especially a Horde Of Alien Locusts), or as crowning achievements in engineering by a large spacefaring society.

[Ford Prefect]

Seriously, I fail to see how that is a literary device which, though it sounds pretentious, is what a 'trope' is supposed to be. It would be like making a 'standard sci fi armoury', which lists the classes of guns which turn up in fiction.

[SAMAS]

I missed the actual page, so I have no idea was in there.

Check again. It seems to have gotten hit by a vandal (ip 87.65.65.73).

As far as I can tell, the notion of a 'trope' page is to make note of commonality of literary devices in fiction. At least, this is the pinciple, the execution is flawed primarily because everyone who actually contributes to the site seems to forget that trops come from fiction, not that fiction is made up of tropes. The notion of a 'standard sci fi fleet' as a trope is broken: having spaceships in space isn't a literary device in the sense that lots of Japanese fiction have four major sub-boss antagonist dudes because 'shi' is the sound for both 'four' and 'death'.

I think it fits about as much as the Five Man Band.

And you forgot the possible Four Gods reference, too.

And what's wrong with that?

Ever heard of 'subjectivity'?

It's a 'subjective trope'. Every troper knows that. Hell, that's why it's listed in the Index marked 'Just For Fun', and the main entry contains the following paragraph:

It should be noted that Crowning Moments of Awesome are subjective, and what strikes one as being pure awesome may generate a 'meh' reaction from another. It is also possible for certain characters to have more than one moment of awesome during their existence, both for the above-mentioned reasons of audience subjectivity, and because some characters are just that awesome.

[SAMAS]

Seriously, I fail to see how that is a literary device which, though it sounds pretentious, is what a 'trope' is supposed to be. It would be like making a 'standard sci fi armoury', which lists the classes of guns which turn up in fiction.

What about First Person Shooters?

[Stark]

Wow - it's a trope because it's so common, and we built in a get-out-of-jail-free card, thus turning the article into (as Bounty says) an excuse to harp on about your favourite show.

Thanks for clearing that up. It's amusing you don't get Ford's point, though - but you are the kind of cretin who thinks they can force 'everything' (even 'all space opera' by which you obviously mean 'gundam and nBSG') into narrow limits.

[Stark]

Shhh, all tropes are better if they use meaningless terms from anime. The best part is you could call them 'jump pods' but I bet that means something else in anime land.

Do you detect a slight focus to the website y/n?

[SAMAS]

Wow - it's a trope because it's so common, and we built in a get-out-of-jail-free card, thus turning the article into (as Bounty says) an excuse to harp on about your favourite show.

Thanks for clearing that up. It's amusing you don't get Ford's point, though - but you are the kind of cretin who thinks they can force 'everything' (even 'all space opera' by which you obviously mean 'gundam and nBSG') into narrow limits.

Um... Forcing?
You just reminded me of this scene:

Gargoyle elder: Must you humans name everything? Nothing's real to you 'til you've named it, given it limits.
Elisa Maza: It's not like that. It's just that, well... uh... things need names.
Gargoyle elder: Does the sky need a name? Does the river?
Elisa Maza: The river's called the Hudson.

And have you even read my previous post? With the two exceptions of Assault Carrier and Sub-Flight System, I was thinking Homeworld/Freespace far more than Gundam, and I haven't seen five consecutive episodes of nBSG, and less than ten overall.

How the hell can you whine about alleged pigeonholing, than do the same thing to me in the same post? Other than being an idiot, I mean?

I don't know what a sub-flight system is based on the name; it doesn't really make any sense.

"Detachable drive" is probably what I'd call it, based on the description you gave.

That might work, actually. Thanks.

[SAMAS]

Shhh, all tropes are better if they use meaningless terms from anime. The best part is you could call them 'jump pods' but I bet that means something else in anime land.

Do you detect a slight focus to the website y/n?

People write about what they know (or they think they know), and many of us(myself included) have admitted to unabashed Entry Pimping.

But we're (collectively) fans of a lot of things. Star Wars, Doctor Who, Warhammer 40K, Firefly, Discworld and the like.

If you really think there needs to be more of something else, you're free to add it. It is a Wiki, after all.

[Stark]

Why? It's more fun to WATCH and LAUGH at a circlejerk than become a circlejerker yourself.

[SAMAS]

Why? It's more fun to WATCH and LAUGH at a circlejerk than become a circlejerker yourself.

You mean jerking in a different circle than yours. At least I'm honest about where the white stuff comes from.

[Ford Prefect]

I don't even get what a sub-flight system has to do with spaceships, anyway: the term generally comes up when describing backpack units for atmospheric flight in Gundam SEED. I don't think it even shows up outside of the CE timeline, and it's not even comparable to other add-ons, like Macross-style FAST packs.

And SAMAS, you're completely missing the point. Even if you say it's 'just for fun', and I do actually enjoy reading pages fromt he trope wiki from time to time, the entire driving notion behind it is sticking round round pegs into square holes: it can be done, but it's still wrong. Again, tropes come out of fiction, but fiction is not made up of tropes; and the trope wiki has actually influenced amateur writers into thinking about them when writing, reducing them to operating within cliches, which is terrible.

[SAMAS]

I don't even get what a sub-flight system has to do with spaceships, anyway: the term generally comes up when describing backpack units for atmospheric flight in Gundam SEED. I don't think it even shows up outside of the CE timeline, and it's not even comparable to other add-ons, like Macross-style FAST packs.

Actually, they showed up in Zeta and Double Zeta first.

Examples would be like the Flying Armor, Mega Rider, or Base jabber, or that Hyperspace Drive ring Obi-Wan attached his fighter to in Attack of the Clones to move from system to system.

And SAMAS, you're completely missing the point. Even if you say it's 'just for fun', and I do actually enjoy reading pages fromt he trope wiki from time to time, the entire driving notion behind it is sticking round round pegs into square holes: it can be done, but it's still wrong. Again, tropes come out of fiction, but fiction is not made up of tropes; and the trope wiki has actually influenced amateur writers into thinking about them when writing, reducing them to operating within cliches, which is terrible.

Dude, we only make up the names of this stuff. It's only there because a bunch of writers came up with them en masse first. We can only point them out. I don't see it as being any different than a biologist naming a species.

Besides, Tropes aren't bad.