So... Saints Row 2? (Spoilers)
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So... Saints Row 2? (Spoilers)
So I bought and completed the game know as Saints Row 2 recently and I wanted to ask... this was supposed to be the light fun romp compared to GTA-4 brown sad-fest? Granted the game itself is decently fun, the side missions(Which you are forced to play thank you very much padding) are varied and fun.
Rampages are great since unlike GTA style Rampages they just send you somewhere then give you unlimited ammo for dozens of different weapons(Instead of just one) and challenge you to get to X thousands of dollars of property damage (Which would be a lot more fun if you could you know, damage the houses but it's still fun blowing up cars, cops and lawn furniture) I find it odd the easiest way to beat said ramages was to use your unlimited C4 was to set explosives along an entire fence line (Which would count each section of fence as one object) to get a giant rampage multiple then blow up something expensive at the end.
The helicopter assault was fun for the first two missions(Blow shit up) until it got into repetitive spawn issues and one section where you are forced to break off your glee inducing murder-fest to do some delicate piloting, which had I know I would have quit right then, I signed up for airborne destruction not an helicopter version of Operation. But that's balanced out by Fuzz(Drive around as a cop filming a knockoff of COPS with more ratings boosting ultra-violence) Then there is racing, trailblazing(Like racing but you on fire setting people on fire for extra time) tagging, and more.
The game itself is quite fun, as you go in you get more money to purchase "cribs" and cars and more guns and thank bob once you buy a car or truck or boat, or Apache attack helio you can go to any crib's garage and get it, if it's destroyed you have to pay a small fee first then you have it for use again. And you can do the same thing without buying said cars if you can find them, steal them and get them back to a garage. And your weapons locker(Finally) where any weapon types your not using get stored and you can switch between them. Prefer double barrel shotgun to semi-auto? Go swap them out, it will still be there if you want to switch back. Same thing goes for rocket launchers, sniper rifles, all five varieties of handgun and special weapons. Take the loadout you like, if you run out, feel free to drop it as you'll always have a copy in your crib to switch out with. (Ala-Farcry 2's weapons dealer)
I'll say little about the customization except to say there's a fuck-ton of it and gender reassignment surgery is available on demand Want to go from seven foot tall flame haired Irishman to tiny five foot nothing Asian girl? No problem! Want to go from tiny Asian girl to fat ass Eric Cartmen knockoff? No problem. Not satisfied with that? Then how about about a dead ringer for Puff Daddy? No worries, there are so many customization features it's crazy (And all the hair colors of the rainbow such as black, blonde, hot pink and dark blue)
And the game itself is decently fun, not woohoo awesome but at least fun consistently. But here in comes my question. So Saints Row 2, lots of violence, lots of sexual content and until you play the story missions the whole thing reminds me of GTA 2, you know, zany wacky violenty fun. But the story missions? Dark as fuck considering their content. Only one branch of missions(The Sons of Shamdi) is a nice happy romp of drugs, murder and voodoo. The boss fights were a joke, but the missions were fun. The other two branches feature fun likes like a recently beaten up idiot thug texas funeral and a woman getting her head cut in half(About eye level) even if it is implied instead of show. While the third plot line features a man being pulled to his death behind a truck, a woman getting crushed inside the trunk of her car, a guitar player having the skin burned off his hand and a mechanic having is face smashed in by a brick.
Which is what threw me, on the one hand the entire game comes across as zany if violent humor, then the story missions come down and their are dark as hell. Not played GTA4(Waiting on better monitor and Video card for that, oh and for it to hit 30$) but I'm wondering if the mega McGrimdark Theft Auto 4 game weighs in when compared to Saints Row 2? And of course your own thoughts on Saints Row 2.
Rampages are great since unlike GTA style Rampages they just send you somewhere then give you unlimited ammo for dozens of different weapons(Instead of just one) and challenge you to get to X thousands of dollars of property damage (Which would be a lot more fun if you could you know, damage the houses but it's still fun blowing up cars, cops and lawn furniture) I find it odd the easiest way to beat said ramages was to use your unlimited C4 was to set explosives along an entire fence line (Which would count each section of fence as one object) to get a giant rampage multiple then blow up something expensive at the end.
The helicopter assault was fun for the first two missions(Blow shit up) until it got into repetitive spawn issues and one section where you are forced to break off your glee inducing murder-fest to do some delicate piloting, which had I know I would have quit right then, I signed up for airborne destruction not an helicopter version of Operation. But that's balanced out by Fuzz(Drive around as a cop filming a knockoff of COPS with more ratings boosting ultra-violence) Then there is racing, trailblazing(Like racing but you on fire setting people on fire for extra time) tagging, and more.
The game itself is quite fun, as you go in you get more money to purchase "cribs" and cars and more guns and thank bob once you buy a car or truck or boat, or Apache attack helio you can go to any crib's garage and get it, if it's destroyed you have to pay a small fee first then you have it for use again. And you can do the same thing without buying said cars if you can find them, steal them and get them back to a garage. And your weapons locker(Finally) where any weapon types your not using get stored and you can switch between them. Prefer double barrel shotgun to semi-auto? Go swap them out, it will still be there if you want to switch back. Same thing goes for rocket launchers, sniper rifles, all five varieties of handgun and special weapons. Take the loadout you like, if you run out, feel free to drop it as you'll always have a copy in your crib to switch out with. (Ala-Farcry 2's weapons dealer)
I'll say little about the customization except to say there's a fuck-ton of it and gender reassignment surgery is available on demand Want to go from seven foot tall flame haired Irishman to tiny five foot nothing Asian girl? No problem! Want to go from tiny Asian girl to fat ass Eric Cartmen knockoff? No problem. Not satisfied with that? Then how about about a dead ringer for Puff Daddy? No worries, there are so many customization features it's crazy (And all the hair colors of the rainbow such as black, blonde, hot pink and dark blue)
And the game itself is decently fun, not woohoo awesome but at least fun consistently. But here in comes my question. So Saints Row 2, lots of violence, lots of sexual content and until you play the story missions the whole thing reminds me of GTA 2, you know, zany wacky violenty fun. But the story missions? Dark as fuck considering their content. Only one branch of missions(The Sons of Shamdi) is a nice happy romp of drugs, murder and voodoo. The boss fights were a joke, but the missions were fun. The other two branches feature fun likes like a recently beaten up idiot thug texas funeral and a woman getting her head cut in half(About eye level) even if it is implied instead of show. While the third plot line features a man being pulled to his death behind a truck, a woman getting crushed inside the trunk of her car, a guitar player having the skin burned off his hand and a mechanic having is face smashed in by a brick.
Which is what threw me, on the one hand the entire game comes across as zany if violent humor, then the story missions come down and their are dark as hell. Not played GTA4(Waiting on better monitor and Video card for that, oh and for it to hit 30$) but I'm wondering if the mega McGrimdark Theft Auto 4 game weighs in when compared to Saints Row 2? And of course your own thoughts on Saints Row 2.
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I saw it as the laughing-at-itself lighthearted complement to GTA4, but I played it after GTA4 as you did. People who bought it when it came out might see it differently. It's definately more consistently amusing and co-op is awesome.
You're right, the level of suck Rockstar's clothing and weapons menus have is appalling. SR2 even lets you save outfits, heh.
You're right, the level of suck Rockstar's clothing and weapons menus have is appalling. SR2 even lets you save outfits, heh.
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I've got both SR2 and GTAIV and have to admit to preferring SR2. It's not trying to be pretentious or too serious, and at least in my opinion is more laugh out loud fun. Have you done the streaking or flashing missions yet?
Oh,, multiplayer is okay too.
Oh,, multiplayer is okay too.
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I love the fact that you can play as a female in Saints Row 2. Mainly because it's just so rare in this type of game.
Especially when the main character - whatever you choose to be - is an extremely sadistic and vindictive sociopath. Whoever did the first female voice (I think it's the first) seemed to really enjoy the part too, she's quite good.
And frankly seeing an asian girl in a smart business suit stamp on some heavy metal guitarists hand so the stage fireworks burn it with her high heels just had me falling out of my chair in hysterics.
Especially when the main character - whatever you choose to be - is an extremely sadistic and vindictive sociopath. Whoever did the first female voice (I think it's the first) seemed to really enjoy the part too, she's quite good.
And frankly seeing an asian girl in a smart business suit stamp on some heavy metal guitarists hand so the stage fireworks burn it with her high heels just had me falling out of my chair in hysterics.
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Not only that, but you can change gender at will along with your entire appearance. Flexiblity and fun defeats plot (although I found the storyline pretty funny regardless). Fat mexican granny killing all with RPG = lol.
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And you can give female characters male voices and facial hair, or males female voices and makeup.
Though I generally don't mess too much with a character once they're established.
On the other hand you have to go to the plastic surgeon just to change the colour of your lipstick. lolwhut
Though I generally don't mess too much with a character once they're established.
On the other hand you have to go to the plastic surgeon just to change the colour of your lipstick. lolwhut
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This pretty much sums up my feelings about SR2, with a tiny exception: The game sucks donkey balls on PC, mainly because the port has been so poorly optimized I feel like crying.
I'm all for a SR3, if they take a leaf off GRAW's book and put some effort into each platform (same could be said of mostly any game nowadays, save GRAW, of course).
I'm all for a SR3, if they take a leaf off GRAW's book and put some effort into each platform (same could be said of mostly any game nowadays, save GRAW, of course).
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As do I, by a mile. Granted I've only played the first hour or so of GTA IV, but I just had no fun with it at all. I would much rather ride a motorcycle down the street naked while throwing C4 at cop cars and blowing them up by remote, than spend my time driving around Brown City in a piano on wheels answering the phone calls of obnoxious pricks all damn day.Jade Falcon wrote:I've got both SR2 and GTAIV and have to admit to preferring SR2.
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I've actually avoided doing missions in SR2 unless I really have to. As tempted as I am to turn the map the state mandated purple, actually removing the gangs would deprive me of hours of joy. That said, I did erase the Ronin for being boring and after killing their one almost likeable guy early on.
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Yeah once you wipe out the rival gangs it isn't much fun, just you, Ultor and the pimps. Eh.
I generally kill the Samedi off (because they and their silly green cars suck) but I leave the others around.
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It is just me or is there a certain time of day that is The Pimping Hour? Every now and then, my radar fills up with the traces of at least a dozen pimps in my area. That said, after 55 hours of gameplay, I've only just noticed the pimps have their own modded cars.
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The sheer variety of clothinng you can buy for your character, especially compared to the drab shit in GTAIV is something.
Anyone else notice if you buy all of a particular shop that your image appears on a billboard?
Anyone else notice if you buy all of a particular shop that your image appears on a billboard?
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Does it really? I'll have to try that.
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Yep. It even changes the picture based on your character's current wardrobe.
BTW, it even subverts the limited wardrobe trope. NPCs start to complain about the smell if you go too long in the same outfit.
BTW, it even subverts the limited wardrobe trope. NPCs start to complain about the smell if you go too long in the same outfit.
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Which is ironic considering nobody else ever changes. Well, Gat changes into a suit for his trial, that's about it.Setzer wrote:BTW, it even subverts the limited wardrobe trope. NPCs start to complain about the smell if you go too long in the same outfit.
Hell, Troy keeps his uniform if you call him! That's pretty hilarious right there, imagine the headlines: "POLICE CHIEF AIDS MURDEROUS CRIME SPREE"
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In terms of wardrobe, not much can beat the "300" outfit of Sandals and Helmet (that's all - no jocks). Doing a mission in this is simply wonderful as you walk into the briefing with dressed as such and no one even bats an eyelid. It adds another layer of comedy (bad comedy, but comedy none-the-less).
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I'm perfectly happy that Summer Glau is starring as the main character on my copy of SR2. All I need is some birds to hold and Chopin in the background.
Also, sewage-hosing missions FTW.
Also, sewage-hosing missions FTW.
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All the cutscenes are comedy if you use an 'unusual' character - the fat mexican granny is a prime example, as she uses the same psycho voice as a normal character, but barely fits on the screen, clips through props, almost crushes Gat, and yet still vaults into cars and leaps off helicopters.
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Really, Saints Row 2 comes in for a lot of flak as a 'jumped up inferior GTA clone', but so what if it is a GTA rip off, the game just doesn't try to be too grimdark or downright depressingly serious.
The activities are just fun as well, including the Insurance Fraud. Throwing yourself onto a freeway then getting hit by an 18 wheeler really helps. Even the car customisation can be quite nicely done.
The activities are just fun as well, including the Insurance Fraud. Throwing yourself onto a freeway then getting hit by an 18 wheeler really helps. Even the car customisation can be quite nicely done.
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I'm rather miffed that there's no plane/boat customisation. Nor can you customise the General's limo (granted, you can only get it through glitching, but still).
And there's seemingly no way to raise the landing gears on a plane.
And there's seemingly no way to raise the landing gears on a plane.
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Have you played the story missions? Sure it's not over-all but as I said in my OP, there is some seriously fucked up shit in the gameJade Falcon wrote:Really, Saints Row 2 comes in for a lot of flak as a 'jumped up inferior GTA clone', but so what if it is a GTA rip off, the game just doesn't try to be too grimdark or downright depressingly serious.
These two are the worst of those examples
Ronin
Requiem
Background:The Ronin hit a funeral the PC and Gat are attending, this is the cut scene you get after you beat off the attack and catch the son of the leader of the Ronin gang
Brotherhood
Death of Carlos
For background the mission is your gang member Carlos(Who helps you bust out of jail during the start of the game) gets captured by the Brotherhood and the mission consists of nothing but finding out where he is, then stopping the truck you see him attached.
This is what I meant originally as both of these came out of left field, Yay happy Wacky Fun and then WTF Grimdark?
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No matter what you think of the game, direct competition for GTA's niche is a good thing - hopefully it will keep Rockstar on its toes and vice-versa.
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What do you think I think?Tanasinn wrote:No matter what you think of the game, direct competition for GTA's niche is a good thing - hopefully it will keep Rockstar on its toes and vice-versa.
As I said in the OP, I have not played GTA4, I have played(And beat) Saints Row 2, so the fucked up left turns into serioustown caught me off-guard. 95% of the game is wacky fun, so the 5% of the time the game tries for seriousness it catches me off-guard. I expected wacky fun, I got wacky fun then wtf one of my Lieutenants was tied to the bumper of a truck and dragged half to death?
I mean, did the Dev team leave for a vacation break and a rival cop-drama writing staff sneak it and add pages to the script?
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I guess the plot resembles the sociopathic nature of the main character.
It's all fun and games then suddenly VIOLENCE AND TERROR. And Texas funerals.
"I guess this makes us even."
*BANG! Headshot!*
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It's all fun and games then suddenly VIOLENCE AND TERROR. And Texas funerals.
"I guess this makes us even."
*BANG! Headshot!*
"Not really.."
^Loved that scene.
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There are different levels of bad porting: "bad port","WTF is this shit?", and "GTA4". The question is which one is SR2?LordOskuro wrote:This pretty much sums up my feelings about SR2, with a tiny exception: The game sucks donkey balls on PC, mainly because the port has been so poorly optimized I feel like crying.
I'm all for a SR3, if they take a leaf off GRAW's book and put some effort into each platform (same could be said of mostly any game nowadays, save GRAW, of course).