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Edi wrote:I didn't think murder had that lenient sentencing even in Sweden. In Finland it's a life sentence (as in the rest of your life), but typically people become eligible for pardon in 12 years and then it's up to the president to either grant it or refuse to do so. Longest fixed length sentence for a single crime is 12 years and 15 for a combination of more than one if you get 12 and then have the other crimes added. That said, involuntary confinement due to posing a public hazard is not constrained by these limits and can last indefinitely.
It's even softer than that on occasion, minors (15-21 years or so) rarely receive more than three or four years for murder. None of the guys who started the infamous Gothenburg discothèque fire in 1998, which killed 63 people and wounded another 200, spent more than seven years in jail.
What the fuck. If I lived in a country with such incredibly lenient punishments for murder and someone killed my family, I think I'd want to just go murder him in broad daylight and accept the sentence.

Seriously. I'm actually surprised this isn't more of a problem--probably because there just isn't a high enough combination of family murders in Sweden and people willing to commit murder in revenge for the murder of their family? But I can't see having to spend 12 years in a hotel room with internet access and TV and an allowance for cooking your own steaks to be that much of a disinducement to get revenge for someone murdering your children, not one damned bit. Which assumes, of course, that you wouldn't get less than twelve years, which seems entirely possible if you plead guilty.
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If I was inclined to tinfoil hattery I might just think that was actually the point.
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Or...Sweden is a different society than the USA and places different values on human life.

What matters to me most is how good it prevents reoccurences. Is there any data on that?
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via The Local:
A lawyer representing one of the men convicted in the Pirate Bay trial has called for a retrial after reports that the judge was a member of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives.

The judge in the Pirate Bay case, Tomas Norström, has been a member of several of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives, Sveriges Radio's P3 news programme reports.

Peter Althin, the lawyer who represents Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde, has announced that he plans to demand a retrial.

"I will point that out in my appeal, then the Court of Appeal (Hovrätten) will decide if the district court decision should be set aside and the case revisited," Althin said on Thursday.

Althin is very critical of the judge's actions in the case and argues that the defence should have had an opportunity to review the circumstances.

"In the autumn I received information that a lay judge could have similar connections. I sent these to the court and the judge was excluded in order to prevent a conflict of interest. It would have been reasonable to then review this situation as well," Althin said.

Ola Samuelsson, the lawyer representing Gottfried Svartholm Warg, concurred with Althin in his assessment of the situation.

"All types of interest conflicts are a problem for the judiciary. It should be a matter of course as a judge to ensure that you keep your house in order. This is a high profile case and that is an additional reason to keep a check," Samuelsson said.

Samuelsson said on Thursday that he has not yet decided whether to join Per Althin and demand a retrial.

High profile attorney Leif Silbersky is one of a number of experts who concurred with Althin and Samuelsson in believing that judge Norström's various memberships represent a conflict of interest.

"A retrial is a possibility, but in that case the lawyers will have to take this up immediately," Silbersky told Sveriges Radio.

Pirate Party chairman Rickard Falkvinge has called for the verdict to be scrapped.

"The copyright lobby has really managed to bring corruption to Sweden," he said in a statement.

One of the groups of which Norström is a signed up member is Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt ('the Swedish Copyright Association'), where he is joined by Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique Wadsted, all of whom represented the entertainment industry in the case against file sharing site The Pirate Bay.

The judge also sits on the board of Svenska föreningen för industriellt rättsskydd (Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property), a group actively advocating for more stringent copyright laws.


Norström argues that he was not however swayed in his judgement by involvement with copyright protection groups.

"My view has been that these activities do not constitute a conflict of interest," Norström told Sveriges Radio.
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Well that explains the guilty verdict then.
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The probable outcome is a retrial if they demand it, or a dismissal of the charges due to conflict of interest. If it's anything else, it'll probably run all the way to the Supreme Court.

Absolutely nobody is going to believe Judge Norström's claim to impartiality. The fucker simply doesn't seem to understand what conflict of interest means. Or that in the justice system there must not only be impartiality, there must also be a perception of impartiality for things to work correctly. Otherwise the judiciary is going to lose the respect and trust of the people and it's important to have that or otehr sorts of problems will appear.
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A funny little side note: Yesterday one of the (self appointed) local champions of copyright, Zsolt Jeszenszky scored an "own goal" whe he was caught red handed plagiarising Wired's editorial about the Pirate Bay case. (Translated article in the hungarian online tabloid news site index.hu attributed to him).

When called on it, his defense was that he has the rights to use the article, because it wasn't written by the Wired staff, but by IFPI, of whom his employer mahasz (Hungarian record association) is a member.

index.hu's editor asked IFPI about the case, who confirmed that the article didn't came from them.The exchanged emails has been released the editor's blog(scroll down, the text in blue is the original email, the one in yellow is IFPI's response).
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His Divine Shadow wrote:If I was inclined to tinfoil hattery I might just think that was actually the point.
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Thanas wrote:Or...Sweden is a different society than the USA and places different values on human life.

What matters to me most is how good it prevents reoccurences. Is there any data on that?
It's probably not good practice to directly compare such cross-sectional data, but nonetheless:
Within three years of their release, 67% of former prisoners are rearrested and 52% are re-incarcerated, a recidivism rate that calls into question the effectiveness of America's corrections system, which costs taxpayers $60 billion a year.
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An average of 22 per cent of those convicted for offences between 1991 and 2002 reoffended within a year of the initial conviction. The proportion reoffending within a three year follow-up period was approximately one-third (an average of 35 per cent). This means that in slightly over half of the cases of recidivism noted within a three-year period, the first reoffence occurs within a year of the initial conviction.
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So yeah, significantly lower reoffending rates.
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Here is one telling reason why the illegal downloading of media content is common (Link):
Copyrights Keep TV Shows off DVD


WKRP in Cincinnati was one of the most popular television shows of the late '70s and early '80s, but it is unlikely ever to be released on DVD because of high music-licensing costs.

The show, which centered on a fledging radio station with a nerdy news director and wild disc jockeys, had a lively soundtrack, playing tunes from rock 'n' rollers like Ted Nugent, Foreigner, Elton John and the Eagles.

For many TV shows, costs to license the original music for DVD are prohibitively high, so rights owners replace the music with cheaper tunes, much to the irritation of avid fans. And some shows, like WKRP, which is full of music, will probably never make it to DVD because of high licensing costs.

"The indication from the studios is that we may never see (WKRP in Cincinnati) because of all the music that would have to be licensed," said David Lambert, news director of TVShowsOnDVD.com, a clearinghouse of information on TV shows released on DVD. "As the DJ spins the record as he's talking to Loni Anderson, if there is music playing even for a couple of seconds, then the people producing the DVDs would have to license it."

Fox Home Entertainment wouldn't provide an official release date for DVDs of the show.

"It's not totally dead in the water, but there is a huge obstacle of music licensing," said spokeswoman Shari Rosenblum. "It's being looked at and it's on the radar."

DVD sales are credited with driving studio growth, and TV shows on DVD have been a surprise -- and lucrative -- market, according to a September 2004 Merrill Lynch report. The report estimates that consumer spending on TV DVDs will grow from $2.3 billion in 2004 to $3.9 billion in 2008.

But serious fans want the whole show, not mangled scenes missing critical music.

"The fans don't want syndicated cuts. They don't want the songs replaced. They don't want anything censored for political correctness. They want to see it in the way they originally saw it broadcast, enjoyed it and fell in love with it," Lambert said. "You can almost always count on some music replacement. We've got entire theme songs being replaced."

There are plenty of examples, he said. The original theme song for the show Married ... With Children -- "Love and Marriage" sung by Frank Sinatra -- was replaced on the third-season DVD. Fans also complained when the song "Nights in White Satin" by the Moody Blues was missing from a critical scene in the Wiseguy DVD set. The second-season DVD sets of Quantum Leap and Northern Exposure both contain noticeable music replacements. And DVD distributors don't always reveal on the box cover that music has been replaced, either.

Only selected episodes from the first season of Ally McBeal have been released in the United States because of the high cost of music licensing. But in the United Kingdom, where different licensing deals have been struck, viewers can order all five seasons of the show.

"I think the studios are a bit shortsighted," Lambert said. "A lot of fans -- if they understood the situation -- would gladly wait a little longer and pay a little more to get the complete, original version."

However, there are exceptions. Moonlighting is one of the success stories. After more than two years of lobbying by fans, the first two seasons of the show are scheduled for release this May with the music intact.

"I was unwilling to replace the music," said Moonlighting creator and executive producer Glenn Gordon Caron, who now produces Medium. "I felt that was integral to the show. That really stymied its video and DVD release for years."

At one point, Anchor Bay Entertainment, one of the DVD distributors that held the rights, suggested cherry-picking the episodes, releasing only those that didn't contain music.

"I said, 'That's absurd. I have no interest in you doing this,'" Caron said.

Navigating music licensing issues can be more difficult for shows where the music experience is central. The producers of one current show, American Dreams, went to extraordinary lengths to prepare the show for DVD.

American Dreams centers on a family in Philadelphia in the tumultuous 1960s. Motown tunes and folk songs play throughout. Two of the teenage characters regularly dance on American Bandstand, and the show includes some classic footage from the '60s show. It also re-creates the Bandstand experience, with modern stars like Usher playing Marvin Gaye and Hilary and Haylie Duff playing the Shangri-Las, among others.

For the release of the first-season DVD last fall, executive producer Jonathan Prince watched every episode again and rated the importance of every song in each episode. A "1" meant the song could not be replaced; a "5" was unimportant to the story.

Prince kept music he deemed critical to particular scenes, as well as performances of guest stars and music for the Bandstand dancers. But some background songs -- when the kids get ready for the prom, for instance -- were replaced with "cheaper needle-drops" from the '60s. Prince said he doubted even hard-core fans would notice the difference.

"I'm a music freak. This matters to me," Prince said. "We probably kept 80 percent of our music."

"If they can't promise that the music is part of the DVD, you're going to have pissed-off fans," Prince added. Music is so critical to shows, it would be like "watching 90210 without Luke," he said.
Judging from this article if music executives are capable of looking forward more than a week and grasp post-1980s media technology without their brains hemorrhaging out their noses then illicit piracy would not be half the problem it is now and our culture would be richer by not flushing so much media content down the toilet for having their music. :roll:

On a relate not the activities of the Sony Corporation (also a widely disliked music firm) are the best example of why being paranoid and antagonistic with copyright protection merely encourages more piracy. Ironically one of the reasons the original Playstation was such a smash hit was because it could easily be pirated since the software was on CDs instead of hardwire catridges. Sony's stubbon, greedy, ignorant stance on copyright protection must have cost them more than the piracy itself!

And I would've imprisoned those mass murdering arsonists in Sweden for life! :finger:
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