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Chrysler Could Begin Chapter 11 Bankruptcy in days...

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Report: U.S. preparing Chrysler bankruptcy
NYT: Carmaker’s Chapter 11 filing could come as soon as next week

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NEW YORK - The Treasury Department is preparing a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing for struggling U.S. automaker Chrysler that could come as soon as next week, according to a New York Times report.

People with direct knowledge of the action told the newspaper that the U.S. Treasury has an agreement in principle with the United Automobile Workers union, whose members’ pensions and retiree health care benefits would be protected as a condition of the bankruptcy filing.

In March, the Obama administration gave Chrysler has until the end of the month to reach agreements for an alliance with Italy's Fiat, a reduction in secured debt and resolution of labor issues with its unions.

President Obama said the turnaround plans that the automakers presented to Congress earlier this year hadn’t gone far enough. He gave Chrysler one last chance to turn its operations around, raising the threat that he might force the company into a quick, managed bankruptcy if that proves to be the fastest way to restore it to health.

On Thursday, an Italian union official told Reuters that Fiat Chief Executive Sergio Marchionne has indicated a willingness to consider talks with Opel, the troubled German unit of General Motors.

Speaking to Reuters after participating in a meeting between union officials and Marchionne, Enzo Masini, an official with the FIOM-GGIL union, said Marchionne was ready to embark on talks with Opel, even though Fiat was already engaged in partnership talks with Chrysler.

“Marchionne said that Fiat has the ability and the capacity to handle two series of negotiations,” Masini said.

The unions are concerned about the prospect of a deal with Opel since it could lead to possible job cuts and plant closures, Masini said.

Looks like Fiat was too little, too late for Chrysler. I wonder if it will survive in some way intact after this, and if this is going to be the first lemming off the cliff, with GM following..?
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I was reading an article a few days ago which seemed to think that Dodge and Jeep would come out of Chrysler being restructured but that the Chrysler badge itself would go. Apparently the only Chrysler badged vehicle that was doing fairly well was the Town and Country. I'm not sure if there's still a Dodge variant of that mini-van or not.
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Tsyroc wrote:I was reading an article a few days ago which seemed to think that Dodge and Jeep would come out of Chrysler being restructured but that the Chrysler badge itself would go. Apparently the only Chrysler badged vehicle that was doing fairly well was the Town and Country. I'm not sure if there's still a Dodge variant of that mini-van or not.
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In other news, GM today announced a temporary extended shutdown of 13 of it's 22 assembly plants would be put in effect for the summer as they've got way too much inventory piled up.
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Fuuuck. So that's why my uncle in Detroit has been calling more often than usual. He's an electrical engineer with Chrysler. Although from what I understand, he mostly worked in the Dodge and Jeep models.

He's thinking of either coming out to Edmonton, or going all the way to Seattle. I don't know much about the market for EEs in Seattle, though. Other than Boeing, at least.
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Phantasee wrote:Fuuuck. So that's why my uncle in Detroit has been calling more often than usual. He's an electrical engineer with Chrysler. Although from what I understand, he mostly worked in the Dodge and Jeep models.

He's thinking of either coming out to Edmonton, or going all the way to Seattle. I don't know much about the market for EEs in Seattle, though. Other than Boeing, at least.
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I realize thats all easier said than done.

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And the first to go....
CNN wrote:
GM to pull the plug on Pontiac

The brand credited with originating the muscle car will no longer be part of GM's future, according to a source.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- General Motors is preparing to announce that the Pontiac car brand, once marketed as GM's "Excitement division," will be killed off, according to a source familiar with the decision.

An official announcement is expected Monday. GM spokesman Jim Hopson declined to comment on Pontiac's fate, saying the automaker has no announcements to make at this time.

In its most recent "viability plan" - which will be updated to reflect this new brand cut - Pontiac was not named as one of GM's four "core brands." Those are Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac. But Pontiac was also not to be killed or sold off, as were Saturn, Saab and Hummer.

Instead Pontiac was to continue on as a "niche brand" focusing on just a few models.

That was already a step down for Pontiac which in 2008 was the third-best selling brand behind Chevrolet and GMC. That year the brand sold more than Cadillac and twice as many vehicles as Buick. Cadillac is a high-profile - and high profit - luxury brand while Buick is a hugely popular brand in China and is seen as resurgent in the United States.

In 2005, GM (GM, Fortune 500) vice-chairman Bob Lutz referred to Buick and Pontiac as "damaged brands" during a conference at the New York Auto Show. That set off speculation that one or both of these brands was doomed.

With a focus on affordable luxury, Buick's hopes have been revived by models like the popular Enclave crossover SUV. Improvements in Buick Quality, which earned a top ranking in a recent J.D. Power dependability survey and a public acknowledgement by President Obama, have also helped Buick keep its place in the shrinking pantheon of GM names.
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Pontiac's association with performance dates back to the late 1950s and early 1960s. Pontiac cars were designed with wider bodies for cosmetic reasons and the wheels were pushed out to match. This "wide-track" design became a selling point and was advertised as giving Pontiac cars a distinct cornering advantage over other cars.

But the idea of Pontiac as a performance brand was solidified in 1964 with the creation of the Pontiac Tempest LeMans GTO. That car quickly evolved into, simply, the GTO and is often credited with creating a new class of American car, the muscle car.

Under Lutz, plans were formed to bring back some actual excitement to the Pontiac brand, which hadn't seen much since the Firebird - a flashier Pontiac version of the Chevrolet Camaro - ended production in 2002.

One strategy floated for Pontiac was to sell only, or mostly, rear-wheel-drive cars. That would set it apart from other GM divisions, and most cars sold in America. Rear-wheel-drive is associated with performance brands like BMW.

Unfortunately, the re-introduction of the Pontiac GTO name on a performance coupe imported from Australia didn't result in big sales. So far, the Pontiac G8, a rear-wheel-drive four-door sedan also imported from GM's Australian Holden division, hasn't been a sales success either, despite good reviews.

Pontiac's most popular products remain the G6, a decent but unexciting midsize car available as a sedan, coupe or convertible, and the Vibe, a small wagon shared with Toyota, which sells it as the Matrix.

Any plans to return Pontiac to the heavy-horsepower days of the '70s ended as gas prices rose and Congress prepared stricter fuel economy rules for the industry.

Those pressures resulted in GM quietly introducing the Pontiac G3, which had been sold in Canada only. Once again, Pontiac was selling a rebadged Chevrolet product, this time the Korean-built Aveo subcompact car.

Pontiac's current role in GM seems mostly to be to support GMC and Buick by providing a brand under which Pontiac-Buick-GMC dealers could sell non-luxury cars, filling out what then becomes a full-line showroom.

The brand-channel strategy now makes it easier for GM to phase out the brand because it would cause less harm to dealers, independent business protected by strong state franchise laws. When GM phased out Oldsmobile in the early 2000's, it cost GM more than $1 billion to buy out the contracts of Oldsmobile dealers who were left with nothing to sell.

This time, most Pontiac dealers will have other products to sell.
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Tsyroc wrote:I was reading an article a few days ago which seemed to think that Dodge and Jeep would come out of Chrysler being restructured but that the Chrysler badge itself would go. Apparently the only Chrysler badged vehicle that was doing fairly well was the Town and Country. I'm not sure if there's still a Dodge variant of that mini-van or not.
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Going by that it looks like Volkswagon also sells a rebadged version of that van so I would think that should increase the odds of it staying around.
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And because of the corvette's popularity (I see these cars EVERYWHERE!!!!) I can see some form of unwanted redundancy with Pontiac.
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I'm still surprised they are holding on to Hummers still. Yes they say they plan to cut the brand, but until they do Hummers are still being produced, marketed and sold, I know because I can still see the occasional Hummer commercial on basic cable. If your going to cut it, cut it, it's a re branded Aztec anyway at this point.

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I'm sure GM still needs the Hummer to market to the right wing demographic who still believes that you need to have the biggest car on the road bullshit. :roll:

In any event, I am suprised that GM did away with Pontiac and not Buick (unless Buick out sells Pontiac and I have to admit I see more Pontiacs on the road than Buicks). Pontiac has been marketed and branded as their 'fun' selection of cars.
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Shinova wrote:And because of the corvette's popularity (I see these cars EVERYWHERE!!!!) I can see some form of unwanted redundancy with Pontiac.
The Corvette is not redundant with any Pontiac sporty cars. It's a completely different market sector, due to a rather large price difference.
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Mr Bean wrote:I'm still surprised they are holding on to Hummers still. Yes they say they plan to cut the brand, but until they do Hummers are still being produced, marketed and sold, I know because I can still see the occasional Hummer commercial on basic cable.
That's because they're trying to sell Hummer, not cut it. Getting rid of Pontiac is easier because there are very few dealers left who sell only Pontiacs, however virtually all Hummer dealers sell only Hummers. This is also why Saturn is intended to be slowly spun off into an independent retail company rather than being axed. Reportedly, the prospective buyers are already in the truck business, though are not being identified. My bet's on Navistar.
Next of Kin wrote:In any event, I am suprised that GM did away with Pontiac and not Buick (unless Buick out sells Pontiac and I have to admit I see more Pontiacs on the road than Buicks). Pontiac has been marketed and branded as their 'fun' selection of cars.
One word: China. Buick is one of the largest and most respected car brands in China, and with GM harmonizing it's Buick lineups in North America and China, it simply doesn't make sense to kill the brand in one region but not the other.

In North America, Pontiac does sell more units than Buick, but unit-for-unit the Buick brand is much more profitable, due to the fact that unlike Pontiac, GM doesn't sell many Buicks to rental fleets, and most retail customers tend to spend a lot more on options for their Buicks (which are more expensive in standard form anyway), where as most Pontiac buyers are looking for a stripped down budget-mobile. Aside from the Solstice and G8, Pontiac really doesn't have anything that truly qualifies as a "fun" car, or that isn't basically the same as some car Chevy already sells.

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And in other news, Chrysler has reached a tentative agreement with the CAW: Most of what was cut seems logical, though personally, I'm uncertain if these cuts go far enough, since they don't touch base wages or pensions. We'll just have to see what Fiat thinks.

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The Canadian Auto Workers and Chrysler LLC have reached a tentative agreement that could allow the latter to stay viable in Canada with the help of government loans.

CAW Leader Ken Lewenza said the agreement, which will be voted on today, will save the automaker $240 million a year.

The new contract does not include any cuts to base salaries or pensions, Lewenza said. The deal eliminates semi-private hospital coverage, the one-time $3,500 vacation buyouts, the employee car purchase plan and tuition rebate plans and reduces pharmacy dispensing fees.
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