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Redleader34 wrote:If you want to be the most efficient, we might as well not grow meat though. I mean if anything with the absurd amount of corn/soy/wheat that goes to feed chickens and hogs you are wasting food and producing more waste in the form of tons of animal shit, methane emissions and fun things like animal remnants.
Actually, we should not raise grain fed meat, that is, meat raised on what could be used as people food. Cows (for example) raised on grasses is actually a way to convert inedible (to humans) plant life into edible form.

Chickens and hogs used to be commonly fed kitchen scraps, that is, food people would not or were reluctant to eat, as well as bugs (for fowl) and acorns (for hogs) which are marginal human foods. Acorns, for example, can be eaten by people but most cultures reserved them for times of famine and they require significant processing for people to eat them. Pigs eat them raw.

The problem is feeding people food to animals just to make meat, not meat in and of itself.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: What you are saying is essentially that we should not introduce a new anti-biotic because it will accelerate resistance to anti-biotics, the same broken logic applies. Additionally resistance to BT does not confer resistance to anything OTHER than BT, such as pesticides that we currently use, which insects already evolve resistance to.
There's a major difference. What's is the key advantage between investing untold amount of scientific expertise, money and time in developing BT and other similiar natural insecticide plant species, when you can simply APPLY said insecticides via mechanical means? If you want a high tech approach, simply invest in precision farming where you use anything from knowledge of weather patterns, insect breeding and technology like radar/GPS to accurately apply the least amount of insecticides needed at any time. OR invest in polyculture techniques such as breeding spiders and bird predators. Or actually abandon monoculture and breed different crops at different seasons, thus managing insect infestation.

The advantages derived from BT species could be easily obtained from other means, without the investment of key scientific expertise, which could had been used to develop salt tolerant species, drough resistant species and etc.
So we have the same fundamental problem no matter what strategy we use. We act as a selective pressure on insect pests and they eventually evolve resistance to our pest mitigation strategies. The difference here is that with BT, we are not creating so much runoff from estrogen analogues that the frogs living 50 km away are feminized and start laying eggs despite being genetically male (Atrazine)

Run a cost benefit analysis you donkey fucking luddite.
Fuck you. I DID. You fucking forgot to figure out the fact that you're diverting key scientific expertise from developing other genetic technologies, from engineering plants/bacteria to develop medicines, engineering plants to have more nutrients and micro-nutrients such as the infamous B1 golden rice in favour of develping a plant where the benefits could be obtained from other methods and means.
Are you controlling for land use? How about agricultural runoff?

Here is a hint: When it comes to holding off the predictions of malthus for a bit longer, you want to be MORE efficient with food production. Not less.
The aigamo method in Japan allows farmers like Furuno to get 3.5 tons of rice per acre, the SAME yield as his conventional farmers while also giving him supplies to meat, veggetables and eggs. China has 1/3 the agricultural land base of the US, and by investing in more labour, fertiliser use(both synethic and natural) and polyculture, they're capable of producing similar numbers of food as the US. Their farming system is endangered because of climate and water use along with the requirements for more inputs.(The end of food, Roberts Paul)

And of course, scientific expertise is advancing enough that we could ACTUALLY gain utility from fallow crops, as opposed to the past where fallow crops could only be used to make hay for meat animals. Other than the fact that we're already breeded fallow crops which could fix nitrogen into soil better, such crops could be used for biofuel, be it methane or even ethanol.
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There's one concern with genetically engineered plants like corn that doesn't get talked about a lot in conversations like this and that's the genes cross-pollinating with similar plants. Corn, being a grass, has the possibility of loosing a gamete into the air that ends up pollinating a similar grass, where the gene is then spread and those plants become natural producers of Bt.

Whether or not this is likely to happen, though, is (as far as I remember of the debate) up in the air.

Also, would developing resistance to Bt also confer a greater chance of developing resistances to similar classes of chemicals as Bt? Not an automatic one, of course, but a better chance of it happening sooner. This isn't an argument against it, just a concern that may be valid.
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There's a major difference. What's is the key advantage between investing untold amount of scientific expertise, money and time in developing BT and other similiar natural insecticide plant species, when you can simply APPLY said insecticides via mechanical means? If you want a high tech approach, simply invest in precision farming where you use anything from knowledge of weather patterns, insect breeding and technology like radar/GPS to accurately apply the least amount of insecticides needed at any time. OR invest in polyculture techniques such as breeding spiders and bird predators. Or actually abandon monoculture and breed different crops at different seasons, thus managing insect infestation.
Because no matter what you do, you get agricultural runoff with pesticides? The use of weather patterns insect breeding cycles (which by the way are explosive and depending on the insect not predictable anyway) and topographic maps can only get you so far. You will always have pesticides that get leached into the watertable, and that then hit both non-target species and/or fuck up ecosystems and turn frogs into transexuals. And you will almost never have sufficient bird and arachnid predators to control pest insects without decimating non-target species, and potentially cause massive secondary problems with invasive species. (I will get to using Ducks in rice farming in a second)

What Bt modified crops do, is two fold. First you precisely control the dose and prevent ANY runoff of the pesticide. Second, you only hit species with it that physically chomp down on the plant in question. This is far and above the efficiency and eco-friendliness of ANY pesticide, including sprayed Bt, sprayed in any concentration other than zero. Oh and they are less prone to create pesticide resistance. With it, you can cheaply and efficiently do what you are sitting there saying would be better to do with a massive increase in manpower and industrial equipment.
The advantages derived from BT species could be easily obtained from other means, without the investment of key scientific expertise, which could had been used to develop salt tolerant species, drough resistant species and etc.
What? You think we are not engineering those right now twat-muncher? You think that scientists can only work on one project at a time, or that one lab can only have 1 experimental strain of rice, or corn, or wheat at a time? Or heaven forbid, that the principles and techniques learned in the engineering of one modified crop cannot be used to make the engineering of a second a lot easier? Are you that fucking stupid? And considering that Bt crops have already been engineered, not using them is a waste of the resources that did go in to making them.
Fuck you. I DID. You fucking forgot to figure out the fact that you're diverting key scientific expertise from developing other genetic technologies, from engineering plants/bacteria to develop medicines, engineering plants to have more nutrients and micro-nutrients such as the infamous B1 golden rice in favour of develping a plant where the benefits could be obtained from other methods and means.
Except that all of those are ALREADY being done. I have a friend who searches for anti-malaria compounds in the epiphytes that grow on mangroves, my old boss spent a good portion of his life before he got his Ph.D and started working with ants, genetically engineering crops.
The aigamo method in Japan allows farmers like Furuno to get 3.5 tons of rice per acre, the SAME yield as his conventional farmers while also giving him supplies to meat, veggetables and eggs. China has 1/3 the agricultural land base of the US, and by investing in more labour, fertiliser use(both synethic and natural) and polyculture, they're capable of producing similar numbers of food as the US. Their farming system is endangered because of climate and water use along with the requirements for more inputs.(The end of food, Roberts Paul)
Ok, so raising Ducks on rice patties helps, and are also a special case given that unlike most other avian insect predators, they dont get non target species, and can easily be kept caged inside the field, AND are food animals in their own right. You could not do the same thing with most other commercially useful species.

So lets see... First off, I want to see your numbers for food production and land devoted to agriculture. Second: Fertilizers, both natural and synthetic, have a lot of the same problems that pesticides do. Then there is the fact that MOST of Asia's land use practices are unsustainable on their face, even the farming practices you love so much by your own admission are using too much water. And I guarantee you they are causing too much fertilizer and pesticide runoff to be healthy to anything, including people.

Oh, and i love the fact that you didnt bat an eye when I ripped apart your horseshit about accelerated resistance. Dipshit.
There's one concern with genetically engineered plants like corn that doesn't get talked about a lot in conversations like this and that's the genes cross-pollinating with similar plants. Corn, being a grass, has the possibility of loosing a gamete into the air that ends up pollinating a similar grass, where the gene is then spread and those plants become natural producers of Bt.

Whether or not this is likely to happen, though, is (as far as I remember of the debate) up in the air.
Unlikely, as the grasses we use as food are usually are of a different ploidy than wild grasses, and even if it were the case that it is likely, Bt is insect specific.
Also, would developing resistance to Bt also confer a greater chance of developing resistances to similar classes of chemicals as Bt? Not an automatic one, of course, but a better chance of it happening sooner. This isn't an argument against it, just a concern that may be valid.
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Alyrium Denryle wrote: What Bt modified crops do, is two fold. First you precisely control the dose and prevent ANY runoff of the pesticide. Second, you only hit species with it that physically chomp down on the plant in question. This is far and above the efficiency and eco-friendliness of ANY pesticide, including sprayed Bt, sprayed in any concentration other than zero. Oh and they are less prone to create pesticide resistance. With it, you can cheaply and efficiently do what you are sitting there saying would be better to do with a massive increase in manpower and industrial equipment.
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What? You think we are not engineering those right now twat-muncher? You think that scientists can only work on one project at a time, or that one lab can only have 1 experimental strain of rice, or corn, or wheat at a time? Or heaven forbid, that the principles and techniques learned in the engineering of one modified crop cannot be used to make the engineering of a second a lot easier? Are you that fucking stupid? And considering that Bt crops have already been engineered, not using them is a waste of the resources that did go in to making them.
The point ISN"T that scientists can only work on one project at a time or etc. Its the point that research funding and scientific expertise is limited. Period.
Except that all of those are ALREADY being done. I have a friend who searches for anti-malaria compounds in the epiphytes that grow on mangroves, my old boss spent a good portion of his life before he got his Ph.D and started working with ants, genetically engineering crops.
And point to the fact where I stated that research isn't being done?

There is the corrollary however, that over 90% of all sales of GM crops are essentially herbicide resistant or pesticide species. And it will continue to be that way because the market and the companies have engineered laws that prevent consumers from choosing GM foods that are beneficial for them, as opposed to farmers and the corporations.
So lets see... First off, I want to see your numbers for food production and land devoted to agriculture.
I give you that in a few hours.
Second: Fertilizers, both natural and synthetic, have a lot of the same problems that pesticides do.
Err, so? Monoculture has the exact same problems that polyculture faces with fertilisers.
Then there is the fact that MOST of Asia's land use practices are unsustainable on their face, even the farming practices you love so much by your own admission are using too much water.
You're shitting me. Unless world food consumption takes a drastic crash, and that would mean depriving India and China of access to 1st World level meat consumption, no farming system in the world is sustainable.
And I guarantee you they are causing too much fertilizer and pesticide runoff to be healthy to anything, including people.
And pray tell, why is it that somehow, monoculture is somehow SUPERIOR to polyculture in this? Atrazine is still being found in water wells, and Das Moine is still investing in water facillities to remove nitrogen from municipal water supplies.
GM engineered crops are also in no way invulnerable to this problem. Roundup is still being run off into the water supplies, and farming practices with regards to roundup also ensure large deposits of herbicides can be found lying around after application.
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Erik von Nein wrote:Corn, being a grass, has the possibility of loosing a gamete into the air that ends up pollinating a similar grass, where the gene is then spread and those plants become natural producers of Bt.
The wild grass believed to be closest to corn is teosinte, which has an extremely limited range. The dangers of crop-to-wild transmission of engineered genes is probably lower with corn than almost any other crop.
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Broomstick wrote:The wild grass believed to be closest to corn is teosinte, which has an extremely limited range. The dangers of crop-to-wild transmission of engineered genes is probably lower with corn than almost any other crop.
To add to that: teosinte is all but extinct in the wild and is being maintained almost entirely by government-funded agricultural researchers who have segregated it from all forms of corn--genetically modified or not--for fear that it will cross-polinate and compromise the independence of the plant's genetics.
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The Furunos' farm is 2 hectares; 1.4 of which are paddy fields, while the rest is devoted to growing organic vegetables. The organic vegetables fields were full of butterflies of all kinds when we visited them the next morning. This small farm yields annually 7 tonnes of rice, 300 ducks, 4000 ducklings, and enough vegetables to supply 100 people. At that rate, no more than 2 percent of the population need to become farmers in order to feed a nation.
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For comparison, Texas yield of rice in pounds per acre.
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In other words, slightly higher yields for monoculture, without the extra income from meat and eggs.
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China's arable land, which represents 10% of the total arable land in the world, supports over 20% of the world's population. Of this approximately 1.4 million square kilometers of arable land
Production figures as below.
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A couple more interesting articles (also from the Spiegel)

Monsanto's Uphill Battle in Germany
Business is booming worldwide for US biotech giant Monsanto but in Germany the company has encountered fierce resistance. A colorful alliance of beekeepers, anti-capitalism protestors and conservative politicians are in the process of chasing the global market leader out of the country.

When Karl Heinz Bablok wants to relax and get away from his job at the BMW plant, he hops on his bike and cycles out to Kaisheim, a quiet town in Germany's southwestern Swabia region. It doesn't take Bablok long to reach his destination, sitting in the middle of a meadow: an apiary, made of rough-cut boards, which he made himself.

Bablok, an amateur beekeeper and skilled handyman, spends much of his free time here, repairing the apiary in the winter and making honey in the summer. The apiary is where Bablok's recharges his batteries, the place he goes to store up the energy he needs for everyday life and for his job at the BMW plant's training workshops. The apiary was supposed to be a very private place -- far away from work and, most of all, far away from the public.

But the apiary and the honey he produces there are no longer private. His honey is now at the center of a dispute being staged in German courts, and observed and influenced by both politicians and the media. And it has drawn Bablok, a man who just wanted his peace and quiet, into one of Germany's major ideological debates -- a battle that has been waged for years in the courts, in the political arena and in the fields, with words, scientific studies and sometimes fists.On one side of the battle are the genetic engineering companies, and in particular US corporation Monsanto, the world's largest producer of seeds, which practically holds a monopoly on genetically modified (GM) plants. Monsanto produces the only modified plant approved for use in commercial farming in Germany, a corn variety that is used for animal feed. The primary benefit of the plant, called MON 810, is that it produces a toxin that allows it to fight off one of its enemies, the voracious larvae of a moth.

On the other side stand Monsanto's many adversaries, a heterogeneous alliance that brings together organic farmers, anti-capitalism activists, churches and politicians with the conservative Christian Social Union, the Bavarian sister party to Chancellor Angela Merkel's Christian Democrats.

The dispute between the two camps revolves around the opportunities and risks involved in green genetic engineering. It's about companies that are playing God and about fundamental questions like: What should man be permitted to do? What can science do? And should we be allowed to do things just because we can? The dispute is also about freedom and its limitations, the freedom to carry out research, and the freedom of consumers, farmers, beekeepers and a corporation. Where does one side's freedom end and the other's begin, and who draws the boundaries?

Honey for the Waste Incinerator

Bablok became part of the controversy because some of his bee colonies were collecting pollen from fields where the Bavarian State Research Center for Agriculture was growing GM corn for research purposes. The bees carried the pollen back to their hives and Bablok, who knew that the GM cornfields were nearby, had samples tested to ensure that his honey was clean. But the laboratory found that up to 7 percent of the pollen was from GM plants. When the case became public, a district court in the Bavarian city of Augsburg ordered Bablok to stop selling, or even giving away, his honey. As a result, he became Germany's first beekeeper who delivered his honey to a waste incineration facility. Now Bablok is suing the Bavarian State Research Center for Agriculture to recover his costs and his lost sales, which he says amount to about €10,000.

The suit is complicated and has already passed through two courts. A third court is due to hear it soon and both sides are seeking a judgment establishing a principle. The case is about more than just Bablok's costs and the purity of German honey. In fact, the future of green genetic engineering in Germany is at stake. A victory for Bablok would further discredit MON 810. In the public's perception, it would transform the plant into a hazard for human beings.

Bablok, sitting in his kitchen, is an easygoing man given to long pauses between sentences. File folders are arranged on the table in front of him containing motions filed by his attorneys from Berlin, people who are familiar with the material. A beekeepers' association is helping to pay their fees. The folders also contain the motions filed by the opposing parties' lawyers. They are being represented by the law firm of Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer. With its 2,500 attorneys, the firm is about as global as Monsanto.

The documents are extensive, weighty and complicated. The core issue revolves around whether Bablok's genetically modified honey is subject to the licensing regulations set down by European Union food law. The attorneys for the Bavarian State Research Center for Agriculture say no. Bablok's lawyers say yes. The question is so important because Monsanto's corn can only emerge from the case unscathed if the judges rule that Bablok's honey is not subject to the food licensing regulations.Although the loss of sales has affected Bablok, it has not spoiled beekeeping for him. He will set up his hives again this year, just in other locations. He is also trying to forge an alliance of beekeepers in the region. His plan -- his revenge -- is to make Kaisheim and the surrounding area bee-free, so that there will be no bees to pollinate plants in the area.

Nowadays Bablok follows the case from afar. He says that the matter is now "in the hands of the thinking people," the attorneys from Berlin. As a factory worker, he says, he has long since given up trying to understand their arguments.

Monsanto's German headquarters are located in a business park in Düsseldorf. Only two postcard-sized brass plates at the entrance of a high-rise building, which are easy to overlook, identify the offices. Monsanto is known for its efforts to avoid the public. Ursula Lüttmer-Ouazane greets us in a conference room with her firm handshake. A resolute woman, she is in charge of Monsanto's operations in northern Europe, including Germany. Her career began with an agricultural apprenticeship and she never attended a university. The challenges of rising to the top in a male-dominated industry are reflected in the lines in her face.

Lüttmer-Ouazane has been in the business for 30 years. She began working for Monsanto 10 years ago, after stints with some of the major players in the industry, including BASF, Novartis and Syngenta. Lüttmer-Ouazane has never romanticized agriculture, which she regards as applied chemistry.

Monsanto's annual report lies on the table in front of Lüttmer-Ouazane. These are good times for the group, globally speaking. Last year Monsanto doubled its profits to about $2 billion (€1.6 billion). The food crisis in the spring of 2008 drove its stock up to an all-time high of $142 a share. New GM plants boosted sales in South America, leading Monsanto CEO Hugh Grant to announce ambitious goals, which included doubling profits once again by 2012. Grant sees great potential in developing countries, where Monsanto is pinning its hopes on a draught-resistant variety of corn that it plans to begin selling soon.

Europe and Germany were assigned the roles of prestige markets in the company's business plan. For the critics of genetic engineering, this is not just about hundreds of thousands of hectares planted with corn, rape, soy or cotton, but about making headway in the fields in general.

When Lüttmer-Ouazane started working for Monsanto 10 years ago, her goal was to see 40,000 hectares (99,000 acres) cultivated with Monsanto's MON 810 corn by 2009. It did not seem to be such an unattainable goal, representing as it did only about 1 percent of all land planted with corn in Germany.

And yet Monsanto ended up falling well short of that goal.

While GM corn is grown on about 30 million hectares (74 million acres) in the United States, Canada and Argentina, and about an additional 3 million hectares (7.4 million acres) in South Africa, Brazil and the Philippines, only about 4,000 hectares (9,900 acres) of GM corn were registered by German farmers with the Federal Office of Consumer Protection and Food Safety. Lüttmer-Ouazane miscalculated -- in many respects.

She had hoped to find substantial supporters among Germany's politicians, but found very few. Only members of the pro-business Free Democrats or the Federal Ministry for Education and Research occasionally speak out in favor of promoting green genetic engineering. It has almost been a replay of familiar arguments from previous debates, for example about the phasing out of nuclear energy or about proposals to build the Transrapid high-speed train in Germany. Proponents argue that green genetic engineering is also a key technology, and that it plays an important role in demonstrating Germany's future viability. But these are weak arguments that just come across as vague speculation about the future.

Few Sympathetic Ears in Parliament

The vast majority of politicians remained unconvinced. They saw no reason to support a company that uses a highly controversial technology to create a product rejected by the majority of Germans.

Lobbying work, which can be successful and reliable in markets like the United States, did not produce the desired results in Germany. Many organizations in both Berlin and the states were engaged to help generate a greater acceptance for green genetic engineering: Organizations like InnoPlanta in the eastern state of Saxony-Anhalt, the German Crop Protection and Fertilizer Industries Association in Frankfurt am Main and Europabio in Brussels. Their members have attempted to find a sympathetic ear for the cause among members of parliament.

In January 2007, representatives of the major political parties gathered at the state parliament in the eastern state of Brandenburg to hear a group of US experts explain the benefits of green genetic engineering to them. The main speaker was American genetic corn farmer Don Thompson, while his wife, Jill Long Thompson, a former Under Secretary of Agriculture, was available to address possible "legislative issues." But lobbyists for green genetic engineering cannot claim any real successes. "We expressed our views on the issue when the Genetic Engineering Law was written," says Lüttmer-Ouazane, "but we cannot be satisfied with the outcome."

(Eds:On Jan. 25, 2008 the German parliament, the Bundestag, voted in favor of an amendment to the Genetic Engineering Law. In the future, fields of GM and conventional corn would have to be separated by a distance of at least 150 meters. In the case of organic corn that minimum distance doubles to 300 meters. The law's liability provisions continued to stipulate that farmers who plant GM crops are liable for loss of income suffered by neighboring conventional farmers as a result of the GM presence.)According to Lüttmer-Ouazane, the liability rules impose a one-sided burden on farmers willing to give green genetic engineering a chance. These farmers are faced with considerable bureaucratic red tape, says Lüttmer-Ouazane, and the required spacing between GM corn and conventional or organic corn is too large. Lüttmer-Ouazane is no friend of Berlin's political machinery and its results.

But the politicians are not her only problem. She also encounters adversaries in places that do not look like centers of political resistance.

A few weeks ago, Michael Grolm was standing on a tower high above Tonndorf in the eastern state of Thuringia, and high above the castle where he lives. Reaching Grolm requires walking up wooden steps that are crooked and worn from the previous generations that have climbed up to the top of this tower.

Made of rough-cut stones, the tower is so old that is was depicted in paintings dating back to the Renaissance. The castle was first mentioned in writings from the 13th century and it is a protected landmark today. And, with its moat and its walls, it is also a bastion against change.About 60 men, women and children live there. Three years ago, they formed a cooperative and purchased the castle, which was empty at the time. Now an alternative cultural center is taking shape there, including an ecological Ark. For Grolm, this demonstrates that old ways have a right to exist, and that they do not have to be watered down to make way for something new. There is probably no other place that suits him as well as this castle community. Grolm has been living here since the project began, and he plans to stay forever. He has even picked out his gravesite -- in a back meadow filled with scattered fruit trees."Over there," says Grolm, pointing from the tower to a spot outside the castle walls. "There is still some neglected grassland over there, extremely rich in species that are hard to find nowadays. All you have to do is throw some chemical fertilizer on it and it's finished." The meadow orchards are adjacent to the grassland and in the summer, Grolm places a few beehives among the trees.

Grolm, like Karl Heinz Bablok, is a beekeeper. But it's more than a hobby for him -- it' his profession. The fruits of his labor can be inspected on a table in the castle, where Grolm discusses the individual varieties the way a vintner talks about his wine. "Here we have white pine honey from the Black Forest, which is malty and delicately aromatic. And this is sweet chestnut honey from the Palatinate, tart, slightly bitter."Grolm loves his profession. He also loves nature, the way God created it, and he devotes a great deal of energy to fighting the version of nature developed by Monsanto.

Grolm is the spokesman, co-founder and front man of Gendreck Weg! (Chuck Out Genetic Muck!), an initiative, founded five years ago at his kitchen table, for opponents of genetic engineering who want to do more than argue and stage protests. The group gives ordinary citizens the chance to get involved in activism, filling a gap in the network of non-profit organizations. Lüttmer-Ouazane rolls her eyes when she hears Grolm's name.

Grolm and his friends organize events they call "field liberations." They travel to fields where MON 810 or GM research plants are growing, and pull them out of the ground. The events are public and are announced ahead of time on the Internet. The arrival of the police is expected and is not perceived as being overly disruptive to the event.

Grolm can be counted as one of the fundamentalists when it comes to adversaries of Monsanto. He wants to transform Germany into a genetic engineering-free zone and goes further advocating the abandonment of all industrial agriculture, or agro-business. Grolm is a romantic: "We certainly still have farmers who work their fields with horses and plows," he says.

Fighting a Demon

In the dining room of the castle, Grolm and a fellow combatant describe a vision of a future in which an inhuman corporation controls the world food supply. They talk about residual risks, patents on life (or bio-patents) and the release and irretrievability of manmade organisms. They paint a picture of a ghastly world in which living is no longer worthwhile. Their concept of the enemy is so all-encompassing that after listening to them for a while one begins to feel that they are not talking about a company that is fighting, albeit with morally dubious methods, for what it believes to be its rights, but about a demon.

Grolm is fighting against this demon and for a better world. He is a known entity among the opponents of genetic engineering, and has become the poster child of the movement. Indeed, many opponents of Monsanto idolize Grolm. In the fall of 2008, the readers of the left-leaning newspaper Die Tageszeitung awarded him their "Panther Prize," an honor for civil courage.

The field liberations usually begin by setting up a tent camp near the GM field, followed by a demonstration and, at some point, the culmination of the event -- a sprint into the field. The field liberators lead the charge and the police are usually not far behind, rapidly closing in on the activists. Sometimes helicopters circle overhead, creating scenes reminiscent of the protests at the construction site of Germany's Brokdorf nuclear power plant in the mid-1970s -- and of the exciting, heady days of the anti-nuclear power movement.

Grolm has based his group's actions on that movement and its strategies, once again employing the concept of peer groups whose members keep an eye out for each other, and providing nonviolent resistance training before every field liberation. However, a new element in the modern-day campaign is the activists' well-organized cooperation with the media. Gendreck Weg! cameramen run alongside the field liberators, documenting the liberation of each field. The most experienced of the activists can even look at the camera and deliver what amount to lectures while running in a crouched position from plant to plant. The videos are then broadcast on the Internet, on sites such as cinerebelde.org, a hub in the network of anti-globalization activists that provides "images of a world in struggle."

The field liberations usually end in arrests. If the cases go to trial, the judges usually sentence the offenders to nothing more than a fine. The fines, and court costs, are paid with the proceeds from a donations account.

The field liberators are doing well, both financially and morally. They see themselves on the morally superior side of the argument, and they are not deterred by convictions. In fact, they see them as badges of honor. Grolm expects to spend a few days in jail soon because he refused to pay a fine. He says he is looking forward to it, pointing out that it will turn into yet another happening, complete with scores of tractors, banners, food provided by local supporters and inspiring tales of recent coups. Grolm's group has much to celebrate.

'True Heroes'

Last year, the Nürtingen-Geislingen University of Economics and Environment discontinued its field trials of GM corn after its fields were destroyed. Other organizations, such as the Max Planck Institute for Molecular Plant Physiology, based in Potsdam near Berlin, and the Leibniz Institute of Plant Genetics in Gatersleben in central Germany, are not risking field trials at the moment. In 2008, the Federal Office of Consumer Protection and Food Safety's site register listed 39 field trials. This year, only one has been listed to date.For Lüttmer-Ouazane at Monsanto, Grolm and his cohorts pose as much of a problem as the members of parliament in Berlin. The politicians have forced her and Monsanto, she claims, into a narrow legal framework and robbed them of their freedom of movement, while Grolm's campaigns deprive Monsanto of its customer base and its key argument in the struggle with its opponents: that a growing number of German farmers want, need and use GM corn. Lüttmer-Ouazane describes the few farmers who buy her corn, in the face of all opposition, as "true heroes."

There are not many of them. One is Reinhard Dennerlein, a man with a sturdy build and a defiant attitude. Standing on his farm in the Bavarian town of Kitzingen, between his house and farm buildings, Dennerlein says he doesn't like to be called a hero, though he isn't overly fond of the term "farmer," either.

"Farmers," says Dennerlein, wrinkling his brow, "have always been at the very bottom of society, trampled on for centuries by everyone else." He is not a farmer, he says, but an agricultural entrepreneur who specializes in fattening hogs. Dennerlein, who has 2,000 hogs in his stalls, agrees with Lüttmer-Ouazane's definition of agriculture as being mainly applied chemistry. The equation that makes sense to him is that the right substance, applied at the right time and in correct amounts, guarantees the desired hog. Dennerlein has little patience for romantics like Grolm, or for consumers who complain about factory farming but are unwilling to pay more than €1.99 ($2.50) for a pork cutlet.

"Sustainability," says Dennerlein, "is when a company operates in the black." And turning a profit, he says, requires strict cost control and the best and most consistent starting material possible. This is why he buys his piglets from a factory farm in the Netherlands instead of from regional suppliers. They arrive on trucks, 620 piglets per shipment, and Dennerlein fattens them with his own corn.

It was a moth which led him to grow MON 810 for the first time last year. Like many farmers in the area around Kitzingen, Dennerlein has been waging a longstanding war against the European corn borer moth. In 2006, the moths descended upon the cornfields and laid their eggs. The resulting larvae ate their way into the plants and destroyed about 40 percent of the harvest, despite the use of pesticides. 2007 was a better year, but still not a good one, prompting Dennerlein to sow MON 810 seed in 2008.

As required by law, Dennerlein had his planned use of the GM seed recorded in the site register of the Federal Office of Consumer Protection, which is open to the public and viewable online. A short time later, activist Michael Grolm appeared on Dennerlein's farm, wearing his beekeeper's outfit.

After a friendly greeting, Grolm introduced himself and informed Dennerlein that he was about to receive a visit -- by Gendreck Weg! -- and that the group planned to liberate his fields. It was nothing personal, Grolm said, and no one would be harmed.

Dennerlein disagreed, noting that he would most certainly be harmed, economically speaking. "But what can you do against these people?" he says, shrugging his shoulders, pointing that he cannot exactly transform his farm into a high-security zone.

The field liberators came at night. Dennerlein says that they uprooted the wrong plants, not the genetically modified ones, and that he harvested his GM corn in October: "10 tons per hectare -- flawless." Dennerlein also knows exactly how much money he saves by using MON 810. It is an important number, perhaps even the most important number of all for him. It appears at the bottom of his balance sheet, and it describes the direct benefit that MON 810 provides, perhaps its only real benefit. It is a number that should correspond to the scope and intensity of the conflict, a number meant to impress.

The number is 43. Dennerlein saves €43 ($54) per hectare. That is the amount he saves on pesticides because MON 810 is a more reliable killer. Dennerlein calls this number his palpable savings: €43. It may seem like a lot of money for Dennerlein, but it is not exactly a strong argument for green genetic engineering.

A New Adversary

Dennerlein is a tenacious man. He refuses to allow a handful of environmental activists to dictate to him what he can and cannot grow on his land. This is why he intends to sow MON 810 once again this year, but it's now highly uncertain if he will actually be able to go ahead with his plan. In fact, it is quite possible that Dennerlein will plant nothing and that Lüttmer-Ouazane will have to write "not a single hectare planted with MON 810" in her report to Monsanto's US headquarters. A few weeks ago, the farmer and the executive acquired a new adversary.

Germany's Agriculture and Consumer Protection Minister Ilse Aigner recently told the Berliner Zeitung newspaper that the government was looking into banning Monsanto's GM corn. She noted that green genetic engineering "has so far not yielded tangible benefits for the people," and that consumers are opposed to genetically modified plants and farmers don't want them.

Aigner is having staff in her ministry look into whether the government can revoke the license for the cultivation of MON 810, because the GM corn not only decimates the European corn borer moth, but other, beneficial, insects as well.If Aigner prevails against opposition from German Education and Research Minister Annette Schavan, the outcome of her staff's efforts could look something like this: Monsanto would be subject to new requirements, and the license for MON 810 would be temporarily revoked prior to this year's seeding and not renewed until after elections to the European Parliament in June. This could provide a boost to Aigner's party, the CSU, if she could portray it as a success ahead of the elections.

For now Dennerlein, the hog farmer and MON 810 fan, is not taking such reports seriously. He has a low opinion of politicians, noting: "They suffer from the constant pressure to raise their profile. What can you do?"

Bablok, the amateur beekeeper, hopes for the best: for himself, for his bees and for his lawsuit. Michael Grolm, the field liberator, says that he will not believe the minister until she has actually announced a ban.

And Monsanto? It says that it wants to have a conversation, for now.
Huh. Uprooting plants and getting your fines paid for you is what passes for civil courage. :roll: One of those "field liberations" took place here in Switzerland last year, where a bunch of fucktards tried their best to destroy GM crops in a study being done for the government (seeing how there's a 5 year moratorium on the cultivation GM crops).

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Germans are celebrating the fact that the government has banned genetically modified corn. But the country's almost blanket opposition to genetic modification ignores the fact that it might just help scientists find a solution for feeding a swelling global population.All's well again in the world of Bavaria's conservative Christian Social Union (CSU) party, an outspoken opponent of genetic engineering and genetically modified (GM) plants. German Agriculture Minister and CSU member Ilse Aigner has slapped a ban on MON 810, a type of GM corn seed produced and marketed by the American agricultural corporation Monsanto, and opponents of the technology are celebrating the victory. Germany's governing Christian Democratic Union (CDU), the CSU's sister party, opposed the ban at first but eventually supported it. Now the CDU hopes that its support will lead more Bavarians to return the favor by voting for the CSU in the upcoming German and EU parliamentary elections.

The inhabitants of rural Bavarian towns, whose fields have become battlegrounds for people for and against genetic engineering, can now breathe a sigh of relief. But the real problems are just beginning -- only in other places.

Outside Bavaria, the world is approaching a scenario first described by the British economist Thomas Malthus in 1798 -- agricultural production can't keep pace with population growth.Since 2000, the demand for food has been growing faster than the supply. Nearly one billion people are considered undernourished. Refugees from Africa flee over-fished lakes and expanding deserts and arrive in Italy and Spain by the thousands.

In global terms, cultivable land and agricultural productivity have hardly increased. Agriculture is flagging, while the world's current population of 6.8 billion is predicted to reach 9 billion by mid-century. Fields that would normally yield food are now being used to produce biofuel. And it won't be long before the rest of the world will want to consume as much meat and dairy as people in Europe and America do today. But producing one kilogram of beef requires many more kilograms of animal feed.

All this is taking place on a planet whose atmosphere will only grow warmer and more severely affected by extreme weather. Land use is partially at fault for these changes, as they are spurred on, for example, by methane emissions from cattle and carbon dioxide released by burning forests. At the same time, erosion, salinization and desertification are all reducing the amount of cultivable land.

Taboo Topic of Discussion

Some believe that genetic engineering can help solve this problem. But, in Germany, anyone who even asks this question is automatically considered suspect.

Still, it's only thanks to a scientific breakthrough that Malthus' prediction of catastrophic overpopulation has not yet proven true. In the mid-19th century, German chemist Justus von Liebig recognized that adding minerals to soil could massively increase crop yields. He then went on to invent chemical fertilization, which made it possible to feed more and more people.

The current set of circumstances raises a number of questions: Who is making sure that agricultural scientists today can follow in the footsteps of Justus von Liebig? What is Germany -- with its antipathy to genetic engineering -- contributing toward ensuring a food supply for the world's future population? And what are Monsanto's opponents doing to fight back as the corporation tries to monopolize the seed market?The answers are sobering. Agricultural research funded by the German government is running dry, especially when it comes to studies aimed at finding solutions to global food problems that don't involve genetic engineering. "There's no master plan at the federal level as to how Germany can fulfill its global responsibilities," says Thomas Jungbluth, dean of the Department of Agricultural Sciences at Hohenheim University, one of Germany's largest centers for agricultural research. In recent years, there have been reductions in many professor positions and institutes across the country.

"We're currently destroying our basic tools for these tasks," warns Volker Hoffmann, who is also a professor at Hohenheim University and speaks of an "existential crisis for agricultural research at German universities." For too long, Hoffmann says, politicians at both the national and state level have seen the academic field as "unsexy" and old-fashioned.

At the same time, developing countries suffering from food shortages are looking with high hopes to countries like Germany that are rich, strong in the sciences and have a respected tradition of agricultural research.

Students come to Hohenheim from all over the world, but then they find themselves in a country that gets panicky about every grain of genetically modified pollen -- without engaging in discussion about other ways to develop agricultural technology that could feed 9 billion people in a changing climate.

Germany's four government-funded research institutes and their many branches -- all of which are overseen by Agriculture Minister Aigner -- do have a research plan that lists "seven main goals and 88 primary tasks" for the several hundred scientists they employ. But lacking among them is a concerted effort to find the best concepts for feeding the world.

When riots over ballooning food prices broke out last year across the world, the federal cabinet made a decision to strengthen Germany's agricultural research activities. The government will now spend up to €40 million ($52 million) over five years, but only as one-time funds and primarily for projects unrelated to fighting the causes of the crisis.

Creating Your Own Monsters

To actually get at the causes would require a systematic departure from current agricultural research, similar to the green revolution of the 1960s and 1970s. Farming practices would have to be changed so as to release fewer greenhouse gases and to use less water, which would help protect reservoirs of available drinking water. Likewise, it would be essential to prevent agriculture from expanding into the world's last untouched natural regions, such as rainforests or savannahs. New plant species that are resistant to drought, salinization and pests would have to be found and put into use. At the same time, the hundreds of millions of small farmers who make up the backbone of agricultural production must find a way to make a living instead of seeing their fields fall into the hands of corporations.

But, instead, Germany's narrow-sighted policies have led to a situation in which, in the future, only companies like Monsanto -- which filed a lawsuit against the German government Tuesday claiming that its ban on MON 810 is arbitrary and contravenes EU rules -- will have the strength and expertise needed to develop high performance plant species that can cope with the world's requirements.And who else could carry out the task? The only possible counterbalances to Monsanto are the botanists and agricultural researchers at government-funded universities and institutes, together with medium-scale plant breeders. If they could develop better species and technologies than Monsanto, they could then secure the patents for the common good and offer them to the general public free of charge.

Still, in order to have a chance of succeeding, they would need to have society behind them and be given some leeway when it comes to deciding whether genetic modification or another breeding method is the best solution for a particular problem.

A modern Liebig wouldn't count on a single cure-all. Instead, he or she would look for more complex solutions -- that is, perhaps, to try to combine the conservational principles of organic farming with the methods of genetic engineering. The much-loved blanket demonization of genetic engineering blocks this path just as much as Monsanto's control over the markets and the patenting of genes.
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The Furunos' farm is 2 hectares; 1.4 of which are paddy fields, while the rest is devoted to growing organic vegetables. The organic vegetables fields were full of butterflies of all kinds when we visited them the next morning. This small farm yields annually 7 tonnes of rice, 300 ducks, 4000 ducklings, and enough vegetables to supply 100 people. At that rate, no more than 2 percent of the population need to become farmers in order to feed a nation.
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For comparison, Texas yield of rice in pounds per acre.
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In other words, slightly higher yields for monoculture, without the extra income from meat and eggs.
Where in Japan is this, though? IIRC, almost all Japanese paddy fields (at least, the ones that still bother to grow rice) support 3 crops/year, whereas virtually no American rice paddies support more than 2.

Also, that's not exactly what I would call "slightly higher yields for monoculture." Even ignoring the number of growing seasons involved, that had better be metric tons of rice that they're talking about. Even then it's still pretty piss-poor efficiency compared to Texas. 1.4 hectares is what? About 3.5 acres? So the Texan field of comparable size is cranking out well over (3.5*7000)=24,500 pounds of rice/year? That's over 11 metric tons of rice. Even conservatively, and by those figures, monoculture is nearly 60% more efficient at growing rice in terms of yield per acre. It's probably far more efficient than that, because of the growing season thing.

The ducks might be worth doing, depending on the cost of ducklings and the price of duck, but it's not like it looks to be a Pareto-efficient move and it's certainly not a slam dunk for poly-culture (or whatever you call it). If that's really the best possible case against monoculture, it's pretty unimpressive, IMO.

(Edit: After reading the full article, I also have to question some of the spins that it puts on the farm. For instance, it boastfully notes that "At that rate, no more than 2 percent of the population need to become farmers in order to feed a nation." Well... last time I checked, about 1% of Americans are farmers, so despite their claims of how non-labor intensive their farm is, whatever they're doing is also twice as labor intensive as US farms. And that doesn't even take into account the fact that the US is a net exporter of food. So the tradeoff is: under ideal conditions for the poly-culture organicists, their method is twice as labor intensive, 60% more land-intensive, and also requires mechanized harvesters, tractors, etc. as compared to monoculture farms in the US. But you do get the ducks.)
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Master of Ossus wrote: But you do get the ducks.
Texas and Louisiana rice farmers often raise crawfish in their paddies in the off-season. They eat pests and leftover bits of forage and their waste acts as fertilizer. Plus of course it's more income. They're not exactly ducks but they're still good eating.
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Mayabird wrote:Texas and Louisiana rice farmers often raise crawfish in their paddies in the off-season. They eat pests and leftover bits of forage and their waste acts as fertilizer. Plus of course it's more income. They're not exactly ducks but they're still good eating.
Is that where commercial crawfish come from? Cool. I had always wondered where there were enough fresh-water bodies to make it economical to harvest those things.
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Mayabird wrote:Texas and Louisiana rice farmers often raise crawfish in their paddies in the off-season. They eat pests and leftover bits of forage and their waste acts as fertilizer. Plus of course it's more income. They're not exactly ducks but they're still good eating.
Is that where commercial crawfish come from? Cool. I had always wondered where there were enough fresh-water bodies to make it economical to harvest those things.
Well, there are also dedicated crawfish farms, but yeah, commercial crawfish are farmed, and even the American "monoculture" rice farms get an extra harvest of meat.

While I'm here, American raised crawfish are very sustainably farmed, so if you're a gumbo aficionado, you can gorge guilt free. Just make sure they're actually from American farms and not Chinese farms, as the Chinese ones do have some major environmental issues.
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