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Government lawyers asked a federal judge on Thursday to impose a five-year sentence on the owner of a marijuana dispensary, less than a month after Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that federal authorities would not prosecute owners of medical marijuana shops if they complied with local and state laws.

But the United States attorney for the Central District of California, Thomas P. O’Brien, argued that the dispensary owner, Charles C. Lynch, had broken state laws because he was not a primary caregiver to his customers — a requirement under California law — and provided no medical services beyond the sale of marijuana.

Judge George H. Wu, a Bush appointee who is hearing his first federal case, postponed sentencing until June 11, by which time he will receive final briefings from government and defense lawyers. Judge Wu seemed inclined at times Thursday to hand down a lighter sentence than the government was seeking but repeatedly said he was constrained by federal mandatory minimum sentencing laws.

Mr. Lynch, who ran a small dispensary in the surfing hamlet of Morro Bay, has become a symbol for the medical marijuana movement since his shop was raided in 2007. A registered business owner, Mr. Lynch has the support of the city’s mayor and the city attorney, both of whom testified on his behalf Thursday.

Medical marijuana advocates see the case as a test of the Obama administration’s policy of noninterference on state marijuana laws. California is among 13 states that allow the cultivation and sale of marijuana for medicinal purposes.

Mr. O’Brien said Mr. Lynch’s dispensary attracted illicit marijuana sales that took place near the business and involved employees and customers. Prosecution documents said Mr. Lynch’s dispensary had “a casual, almost carnival-like attitude towards the use and distribution of marijuana.”

Mr. Lynch’s lawyer, Reuven Cohen, said his client paid taxes and followed California laws. Mr. Cohen argued that if the federal government believed that Mr. Lynch had broken California laws, prosecutors should have consented to have the case moved to state court.

“This is really a states’ rights issue,” said Mr. Cohen, referring to Proposition 215, which legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes. “We voted for this stuff, and for the federal government to do this is undemocratic.”

Mr. Lynch was convicted on five counts related to running a marijuana dispensary, which is illegal under federal law, and selling medical marijuana to customers under 21, who are minors under federal law.

The director of the Executive Office for United States Attorneys, H. Marshall Jarrett, sent a letter last Friday to Mr. O’Brien guiding him to seek a five-year sentence. Mr. Jarrett was the chief of the Justice Department’s ethics office until Mr. Holder replaced him after accusations of prosecutorial misconduct in the corruption case against former Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.

Justice Department officials did not respond to an interview request Thursday.

Since the passage of Proposition 215 in 1996, more than 100 marijuana dispensaries in California have been raided, virtually wiping out the businesses in some places, like San Diego. But in other cities, including Los Angeles and San Francisco, the shops have flourished, despite occasional federal crackdowns during the Bush administration.

Kris Hermes, a spokesman for Americans for Safe Access, a national medical marijuana advocacy group, said that about half of the raids resulted in prosecutions and that about a dozen owners received prison sentences.

Mr. Lynch said in a telephone interview that he would appeal his conviction and accused Sheriff Patrick Hedges of San Luis Obispo County of overzealous prosecution of the law.

“The local sheriff wanted to shut me down,” Mr. Lynch said, “and I don’t think they appreciated me putting up a fight.”

The sheriff’s office did not respond to an interview request.
This is after they promised to stop doing that:
Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Wednesday outlined a shift in the enforcement of federal drug laws, saying the administration would effectively end the Bush administration’s frequent raids on distributors of medical marijuana.

Speaking with reporters, Mr. Holder provided few specifics but said the Justice Department’s enforcement policy would now be restricted to traffickers who falsely masqueraded as medical dispensaries and “use medical marijuana laws as a shield.”

In the Bush administration, federal agents raided medical marijuana distributors that violated federal statutes even if the dispensaries appeared to be complying with state laws. The raids produced a flood of complaints, particularly in California, which in 1996 became the first state to legalize marijuana sales to people with doctors’ prescriptions.

Graham Boyd, the director of the American Civil Liberties Union drug law project, said Mr. Holder’s remarks created a reasonable balance between conflicting state and federal laws and “seem to finally end the policy war over medical marijuana.” He said officials in California and the 12 other states that have authorized the use of medical marijuana had hesitated to adopt regulations to carry out their laws because of uncertainty created by the Bush administration.

Mr. Holder said the new approach was consistent with statements made by President Obama in the campaign and was based on an assessment of how to allocate scarce enforcement resources. He said dispensaries operating in accord with California law would not be a priority for the administration.

Mr. Holder’s comments appeared to be an effort to clarify the policy after some news reports last month interpreted his answer to a reporter’s question to be a flat assertion that all raids on marijuana growers would cease. Department officials said Mr. Holder had not intended to assert any policy change last month but was decidedly doing so on Wednesday.

Ethan Nadelmann, the founder of the Drug Policy Alliance, said Mr. Holder was telling the Drug Enforcement Administration that it should leave legitimate growers of medical marijuana untouched. “The message from the Bush Justice Department was ‘watch out — we have the authority to go after everybody,’ ” he said.
And it's a clear break from his campaign promises:
Would you stop the DEA's raids on Oregon medical marijuana growers?

I would because I think our federal agents have better things to do, like catching criminals and preventing terrorism. The way I want to approach the issue of medical marijuana is to base it on science, and if there is sound science that supports the use of medical marijuana and if it is controlled and prescribed in a way that other medicine is prescribed, then it's something that I think we should consider.
So apparently Obama was lying when he said that. I forget, was his campaign slogan "Change we can believe in" or "Beliefs we can change in"?
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Dominus Atheos wrote:New York Times
Government lawyers asked a federal judge on Thursday to impose a five-year sentence on the owner of a marijuana dispensary, less than a month after Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that federal authorities would not prosecute owners of medical marijuana shops if they complied with local and state laws.

But the United States attorney for the Central District of California, Thomas P. O’Brien, argued that the dispensary owner, Charles C. Lynch, had broken state laws because he was not a primary caregiver to his customers — a requirement under California law — and provided no medical services beyond the sale of marijuana.
So apparently Obama was lying when he said that. I forget, was his campaign slogan "Change we can believe in" or "Beliefs we can change in"?
Bolded the relevant part. If Holder comes out and says "we won't prosecute if they are in compliance with state laws" and the guys was NOT in compliance with state laws then the DOJ has done exactly what they said they would do, proseucte those who are in violation of state laws and ignore those who aren't. If you could find an instance where the DOJ prosecuted someone who was in full compliance with the law THEN you woudl have an argument but not in this case.


As an aside I don't endorse this kind of proseuction, I think its wasteful and useles BUT if the promise was to stop prosecuting those in compliance with state laws then this case is NOT a broken promise and that is the only point I am making.
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CmdrWilkens wrote:
Dominus Atheos wrote:New York Times
Government lawyers asked a federal judge on Thursday to impose a five-year sentence on the owner of a marijuana dispensary, less than a month after Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. announced that federal authorities would not prosecute owners of medical marijuana shops if they complied with local and state laws.

But the United States attorney for the Central District of California, Thomas P. O’Brien, argued that the dispensary owner, Charles C. Lynch, had broken state laws because he was not a primary caregiver to his customers — a requirement under California law — and provided no medical services beyond the sale of marijuana.
So apparently Obama was lying when he said that. I forget, was his campaign slogan "Change we can believe in" or "Beliefs we can change in"?
Bolded the relevant part. If Holder comes out and says "we won't prosecute if they are in compliance with state laws" and the guys was NOT in compliance with state laws then the DOJ has done exactly what they said they would do, proseucte those who are in violation of state laws and ignore those who aren't. If you could find an instance where the DOJ prosecuted someone who was in full compliance with the law THEN you woudl have an argument but not in this case.
I'm going to guess that the State of California had a better idea of whether or not he was breaking their laws then the Federal Government did, and they issued him a business license to dispense medicinal marijuana:

Link to license to be a "Medical Marijuana Dispensary"

And a picture of the Mayor of the city cutting the ribbon during the opening ceremony with the Chamber of Commerce present:

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Anyway, if he violated California law, shouldn't he be tried by California, or at least charged with breaking those laws? All he's being charged with is breaking Federal laws.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:I'm going to guess that the State of California had a better idea of whether or not he was breaking their laws then the Federal Government did, and they issued him a business license to dispense medicinal marijuana:
Dozens of gay couples were issued marriage licenses in defiance of California state law a few years ago. I don't know why you seem to think that if somebody issues a license, this somehow proves that no state laws were broken.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Dominus Atheos wrote:I'm going to guess that the State of California had a better idea of whether or not he was breaking their laws then the Federal Government did, and they issued him a business license to dispense medicinal marijuana:
Dozens of gay couples were issued marriage licenses in defiance of California state law a few years ago. I don't know why you seem to think that if somebody issues a license, this somehow proves that no state laws were broken.
He seems to confuse the difference between doing a morally right thing and following the law. Just because you disagree with a law does not mean you do not follow the law.
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And serious, what the fuck is Dominus Atheos' problem? Is he honestly so fucking dense that he doesn't understand what the American people voted for? They voted to move the country back to the middle, not the left. And the middle, by American standards, is basically what Canadians would call "The Conservative Party".

His endless screeching about how Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader grows tiresome. Yes, we get it: Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader. But if the people wanted Ralph Nader, they would have voted for Ralph Nader. They didn't. Barack Obama is merely doing what he was elected to do: namely, to swing the country back from Bush's Crusading Far Right agenda to a more middle-of-the-road approach.
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Darth Wong wrote:And serious, what the fuck is Dominus Atheos' problem? Is he honestly so fucking dense that he doesn't understand what the American people voted for? They voted to move the country back to the middle, not the left. And the middle, by American standards, is basically what Canadians would call "The Conservative Party".

His endless screeching about how Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader grows tiresome. Yes, we get it: Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader. But if the people wanted Ralph Nader, they would have voted for Ralph Nader. They didn't. Barack Obama is merely doing what he was elected to do: namely, to swing the country back from Bush's Crusading Far Right agenda to a more middle-of-the-road approach.
Even then, anyone who understand US politics would understand that the chances of a liberal party holding a majority in the Congress, Senate and the white house is low.

Hell, a liberal US president would not gain enough support from the Senate and congress if he or she is seeking to pass some controversial laws.
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I find it incredibly amusing that DA is bitching about Obama enforcing Federal law in this thread while he's bitching about him not (yet at least) enforcing Federal law (torture) in other threads. Granted the examples are apples and oranges, but the common argument I hear is that you cannot choose which laws to enforce based on political expediency, yet that seems to be the course Obama is taking in each case, but only one is generating any outcry.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:And it's a clear break from his campaign promises:
Would you stop the DEA's raids on Oregon medical marijuana growers?

I would because I think our federal agents have better things to do, like catching criminals and preventing terrorism. The way I want to approach the issue of medical marijuana is to base it on science, and if there is sound science that supports the use of medical marijuana and if it is controlled and prescribed in a way that other medicine is prescribed, then it's something that I think we should consider.
So apparently Obama was lying when he said that. I forget, was his campaign slogan "Change we can believe in" or "Beliefs we can change in"?
So Obama says that raiding Oregon medical marijuana growers (following state law) is a waste of DEA resources and that he open to considering changing the situation "if it is controlled and prescribed" like other medication, and this somehow translates to stopping the prosecution by the DOJ of a Californian dispensary also accused of breaking state law? There's a big difference between concentrating resources away from raids and stopping the prosecution of those already caught. No matter what the administration thinks of those Federal laws, they are still on the books and the Lynch dispensary is pretty clearly violating them.

Here's Holder's direct quote about that policy shift:
AP via MSNBC wrote:"Given the limited resources that we have, our focus will be on people, organizations that are growing, cultivating substantial amounts of marijuana and doing so in a way that's inconsistent with federal and state law," the attorney general said.
[Emphasis mine]

Note how Holder doesn't say that they won't prosecute or raid medical marijuana growers, just that their focus will be elsewhere.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Dominus Atheos wrote:I'm going to guess that the State of California had a better idea of whether or not he was breaking their laws then the Federal Government did, and they issued him a business license to dispense medicinal marijuana:
Dozens of gay couples were issued marriage licenses in defiance of California state law a few years ago. I don't know why you seem to think that if somebody issues a license, this somehow proves that no state laws were broken.
Usually before a license is issued, someone actually checks to make sure they qualify for the license. Otherwise anyone could get one, and just smoke the stuff themselves instead of selling it. Anyway like I said, if California state laws were broken they should be adding those to the charges against him.
Darth Wong wrote:And serious, what the fuck is Dominus Atheos' problem? Is he honestly so fucking dense that he doesn't understand what the American people voted for? They voted to move the country back to the middle, not the left. And the middle, by American standards, is basically what Canadians would call "The Conservative Party".

His endless screeching about how Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader grows tiresome. Yes, we get it: Barack Obama is not Ralph Nader. But if the people wanted Ralph Nader, they would have voted for Ralph Nader. They didn't. Barack Obama is merely doing what he was elected to do: namely, to swing the country back from Bush's Crusading Far Right agenda to a more middle-of-the-road approach.
So? They didn't vote for Kerry, so does that mean we shouldn't criticize anything Bush did in his last 4 years? Just because he was elected doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:
So? They didn't vote for Kerry, so does that mean we shouldn't criticize anything Bush did in his last 4 years? Just because he was elected doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does.
Except you keep saying again and again that Obama is going against his word and he is not the liberal candidate you are expecting him to be. Obama never run for election as a liberal, and there is no way US can have a liberal president pushing for liberal policies.

Anyone that keep pushing for liberal policies and dismissing the views of the general public will only lose his political capital. Other issues that concerns the livelihood of Americans such as universal health care would be yet another dream if Obama did not maintain his position as a centre-right candidate.
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Dominus Atheos wrote:Usually before a license is issued, someone actually checks to make sure they qualify for the license. Otherwise anyone could get one, and just smoke the stuff themselves instead of selling it. Anyway like I said, if California state laws were broken they should be adding those to the charges against him.
Judging by this article:
The Northern California city of Alameda has revoked the license of a medical marijuana dispensary which has operated lawfully for several months.
...and this article:
CLEARLAKE – The operator of a local medical marijuana dispensary plans to appeal the revocation of her business license to the Clearlake City Council at its Thursday night meeting.


The council will meet at 6 p.m. at Clearlake City Hall, 14050 Olympic Drive.


Liz Byrd, owner of Lakeside Herbal Solutions on Mullen Avenue says she'll be at Thursday night's meeting to ask that the council overturn the decision by city staff to pull her business license because she is selling medical marijuana.
...business licenses in California are issued by the city in which the business operates, not by the state. This makes the situation directly analogous to gay marriage licenses as Darth Wong suggested, as well as increasing the possibility that compliance with state law wasn't checked before hand, since local ordinances would have been the most immediate hurdle to clear for issuance, and the primary concern of city planners.
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Oh, lord. Lynch? He's a bit of an ass, basically daring the federal government to, you know, follow their laws, then acted like a huge martyr when they predictably came down on him.

I'm from the area and his accusations about Pat Hedges could be accurate, since that guy's got problems of his own, but he should be in no way surprised that they shut him down and arrested him. Despite what California was saying it was always argued as a federal issue.
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ray245 wrote:
Dominus Atheos wrote:
So? They didn't vote for Kerry, so does that mean we shouldn't criticize anything Bush did in his last 4 years? Just because he was elected doesn't mean we have to agree with everything he does.
Except you keep saying again and again that Obama is going against his word and he is not the liberal candidate you are expecting him to be. Obama never run for election as a liberal, and there is no way US can have a liberal president pushing for liberal policies.
Support for medical marijuana isn't exactly a far-left position.

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