science has built a better penguin

SLAM: debunk creationism, pseudoscience, and superstitions. Discuss logic and morality.

Moderator: Alyrium Denryle

Post Reply
User avatar
VF5SS
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3281
Joined: 2002-07-04 07:14pm
Location: Neither here nor there...
Contact:

science has built a better penguin

Post by VF5SS »

プロジェクトゾハルとは何ですか?
ロボットが好き。
User avatar
tim31
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3388
Joined: 2006-10-18 03:32am
Location: Tasmania, Australia

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by tim31 »

Thoughts:

*This belongs in SLAM
*That was pretty amazing, the fluidity surprised me. It's only a matter of time before the Japanese have put this into a gynoid.
*This isn't a joke?
lol, opsec doesn't apply to fanfiction. -Aaron

PRFYNAFBTFC
CAPTAIN OF MFS SAMMY HAGAR
ImageImage
User avatar
VF5SS
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3281
Joined: 2002-07-04 07:14pm
Location: Neither here nor there...
Contact:

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by VF5SS »

I thought it was funny at first but then the surreal images astounded me.
プロジェクトゾハルとは何ですか?
ロボットが好き。
User avatar
Crossroads Inc.
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 9233
Joined: 2005-03-20 06:26pm
Location: Defending Sparkeling Bishonen
Contact:

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Crossroads Inc. »

IOm sorry but the flying penguin blimps are freaking awesome, I WANT ONE.
Praying is another way of doing nothing helpful
"Congratulations, you get a cookie. You almost got a fundamental English word correct." Pick
"Outlaw star has spaceships that punch eachother" Joviwan
Read "Tales From The Crossroads"!
Read "One Wrong Turn"!
User avatar
Simplicius
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2031
Joined: 2006-01-27 06:07pm

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Simplicius »

In the promo video itself, a lot of the devices look like computer-generated images when they are first shown, in part because of the quality of the video and in part because of their shape and fluid movement. But here are the flying penguins at the Hannover trade show:



As an aside I only need to hear the phrase "...children can learn to build and program their own robots..." to make me feel like a fossilized fudd. I'm not even that old, yet I'm teetering on obsolescence...
User avatar
tim31
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3388
Joined: 2006-10-18 03:32am
Location: Tasmania, Australia

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by tim31 »

Simplicius wrote:In the promo video itself, a lot of the devices look like computer-generated images when they are first shown, in part because of the quality of the video and in part because of their shape and fluid movement
This is what I'm getting at. For me, there was no uncanny valley. It was so graceful and elegant that it looked like something alive, even though I knew it was not organic.
lol, opsec doesn't apply to fanfiction. -Aaron

PRFYNAFBTFC
CAPTAIN OF MFS SAMMY HAGAR
ImageImage
User avatar
Oskuro
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2698
Joined: 2005-05-25 06:10am
Location: Barcelona, Spain

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Oskuro »

Why did I think of Borg Cubes when the lego-esque blocks showed up?

Also, the 3d "printer" would be awesome if it ever yielded a consumer-affordable device.
Agreed about how the flying penguins looked CGI at first, and those Interactive walls, if ever used in a seriour building (that is, not in a theme park) will never stop scaring the shit out of passers-by.

I agree with the SLAM nomination.
unsigned
User avatar
Einhander Sn0m4n
Insane Railgunner
Posts: 18630
Joined: 2002-10-01 05:51am
Location: Louisiana... or Dagobah. You know, where Yoda lives.

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Einhander Sn0m4n »

Thirded on SLAM nom.

Oskuro, try a RepRap, I guess :)
Image Image
weemadando
SMAKIBBFB
Posts: 19195
Joined: 2002-07-28 12:30pm
Contact:

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by weemadando »

Fourthed for SLAM.

I thought that this was some kind of weird viral video until the confirmation stuff was posted.

Just... Shit. WOW.

Is this a bad time to say "I for one welcome our new AI penguin blimp overlords?"
User avatar
tim31
Sith Devotee
Posts: 3388
Joined: 2006-10-18 03:32am
Location: Tasmania, Australia

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by tim31 »

Why don't we just skip the pretense and call them Combine Gunships straight up?
lol, opsec doesn't apply to fanfiction. -Aaron

PRFYNAFBTFC
CAPTAIN OF MFS SAMMY HAGAR
ImageImage
User avatar
Simplicius
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2031
Joined: 2006-01-27 06:07pm

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Simplicius »

I don't know a damn thing about robotics or actuating mechanisms so I can't offer any comment, but here's a blog article about the 'fluidic muscle' technology that is actuating the penguins and Festo's other blimp/submersible projects:
Engineering Products Blog wrote:
Festo has helped Berlin-based bionics research company Evologics to develop an unusual remote-controlled fish, whose form and kinematics are modelled on the movement patterns of the manta ray. Known as Aqua-ray, the fish uses an innovative water-hydraulic drive unit coupled with Festo fluidic muscles to produce smoothly flowing muscular movements, which are transformed into the dynamic flapping of a wing to propel it through the water. Created primarily to demonstrate the design flexibility of fluid power, the artificial manta ray provides a highly manoeuvrable remote sensing platform, with potential applications in marine research and for inspecting undersea pipelines and cables.

The analysis of movement through water has established that rays are perfectionists in submarine ‘flight’ and gliding. The up-and-down motion of their pectoral fin in water closely resembles the flapping of a bird’s wings in the air. This wavelike movement perfectly combines maximum propulsion with minimum energy consumption. The streamlined form lends graceful movement to the manta ray, in particular, and makes it a veritable submarine acrobat.

The Aqua-ray uses Festo fluidic muscles as actuators. These consist of hollow elastomer tubes with integrated woven Aramide fibres. When the muscle is filled with fluid (air or water), its diameter increases and it contracts longitudinally, giving rise to smoothly flowing elastic movement. In conjunction with Evologics’ patented Fin Ray Effect, the fluidic muscles constitute Aqua-ray’s central propulsion and control unit. The Fin Ray Effect is derived from the functional anatomy of a fish’s fin and almost perfectly imitates the mode of propulsion executed by the natural model.

It is entirely due to the mechanics of the bony rods that constitute the fin’s supporting structure that the wing can be arched to ensure even distribution of forces; this makes for a highly efficient drive mechanism. Like a heart, Aqua-ray’s water-driven central vane cell pump generates the propulsion energy. This is conveyed in the form of pressure via specially developed valves to three opposing pairs of fluidic muscles. Their contraction force is transferred by high-strength artificial tendons to the wings and the tail, which in turn transform the tendon travel of 55mm into a vertical wing amplitude of more than 550mm.

Through the use of new elastic materials for all moving components and the 3D-deformable skin, and by matching the elasticity and self-adaptive characteristics of the internal wing and tail structures to the hydrodynamic forces, it has been possible to reproduce the kinematics of nature’s marine model. The change in direction of force effected by the tendons makes it possible to relocate the dorsal and thoracic muscles to the side, providing more room for energy storage and transformation components along with the control and sensory units.

The requirements regarding technology and performance efficiency - such as payload - could thus be reconciled with the biological advantages of aquatic movement. Aqua-ray is highly manoeuvrable and can be operated either as a hydrostatic glider or with actively flapping wings. This makes for considerable energy savings. Thanks to its form and its mode of propulsion, Aqua-ray is suitable for application in diverse fields of marine research without disturbance to the natural environment. Its smooth contours and lack of rotating parts such as propellers make it particularly suitable for use in environmentally sensitive areas.
What is particularly interesting, given the recent thread on the Luke Arm, is that the technology has been applied to a robotic arm patterned off a human arm as well.

Image

It looks too massive to be used in prosthetic applications, but there might be aspects of the device that could be applied to replacement arms.

With that, I guess there is some SLAM-worthy text in here, though people smarter than I will have to raise the caliber of the discussion.
User avatar
Academia Nut
Sith Devotee
Posts: 2598
Joined: 2005-08-23 10:44pm
Location: Edmonton, Alberta

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Academia Nut »

At the risk of sounding too much 'Me too', that is fucking awesome, and yeah, I thought those penguin blimps were CG at first until they had the close ups and I could say "Yeah, those are real". I think the biggest bit is the fact that these things have very fluid movements such that they look organic rather than mechanical.

As for the science side, I'm actually probably most interested in their fabricator, as it seems to combine precision movement and placement with high adaptability, although since they only gave it like 10 seconds of screen time its hard to say. Very interesting technology there, even if it is probably just in its infancy.

Overall, if I could, I would probably enjoy working with these guys, although this seems primarily to be their tech demo for "See, we're not just boring industrial stuff actuators and such!"
I love learning. Teach me. I will listen.
You know, if Christian dogma included a ten-foot tall Jesus walking around in battle armor and smashing retarded cultists with a gaint mace, I might just convert - Noble Ire on Jesus smashing Scientologists
User avatar
Broomstick
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 28822
Joined: 2004-01-02 07:04pm
Location: Industrial armpit of the US Midwest

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Broomstick »

Simplicius wrote:As an aside I only need to hear the phrase "...children can learn to build and program their own robots..." to make me feel like a fossilized fudd. I'm not even that old, yet I'm teetering on obsolescence...
Welcome to the old farts' club - I started feeling that way when we got cellphones smaller than bricks and PDA's.

And yes, the technology is very, very cool.
A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. Leonard Nimoy.

Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.- Malcolm Reynolds, Captain of Serenity, which sums up my feelings regarding the lawsuit discussed here.

If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich. - John F. Kennedy

Sam Vimes Theory of Economic Injustice
User avatar
charlemagne
Jedi Knight
Posts: 924
Joined: 2008-10-13 02:28am
Location: Regensburg, Germany

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by charlemagne »

Flying penguins! Man, that really is awesome. The way they move is a bit uncanny, though, once you realise that it's a ROBOT. Seeing this honestly feels like an important step was taken, or something like that.
Image
User avatar
aerius
Charismatic Cult Leader
Posts: 14799
Joined: 2002-08-18 07:27pm

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by aerius »

I didn't even know Festo made this kind of stuff. Back when I was in the electronics manufacturing industry, some of the companies I worked for used Festo equipment, but that was pretty simple stuff like the air cylinders and other pneumatics they're famous for along with other factory automation & production line equipment. I would never have guessed that they'd make flying penguin blimps and actually swimming penguins. The gripper arm I can see them making since that has production line applications, but not the penguins and the interactive moving wall.
Image
aerius: I'll vote for you if you sleep with me. :)
Lusankya: Deal!
Say, do you want it to be a threesome with your wife? Or a foursome with your wife and sister-in-law? I'm up for either. :P
TheLostVikings
Padawan Learner
Posts: 332
Joined: 2008-11-25 08:33am

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by TheLostVikings »

aerius wrote: I would never have guessed that they'd make flying penguin blimps and actually swimming penguins. The gripper arm I can see them making since that has production line applications, but not the penguins and the interactive moving wall.
I guess that's sort of the whole point of making them. Showcasing their technological prowess in a way easily captures peoples imagination, and make them more likely to check out a presentation that what's "just" a (comparatively) boring actuator tech.

Because even though that actuator arm was pretty neat it certainly doesn't have the immediate visual impact of those amazing swimming terminator-penguins, or the penguin-blimps casually swimming trough the air.

I bet the latter makes tons of people come over to ask ask what they are, which obviously is partly the reason why they were made in the first place.
Marko Dash
Jedi Knight
Posts: 719
Joined: 2006-01-29 03:42am
Location: south carolina, USA
Contact:

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Marko Dash »

until i noticed the glowing eyes I thought the aquatic versions were real penguins. i wonder how well the penguin blimp can scale up, and how efficient it is compared to propeller/thruster blimps? could you imagine one of these things Goodyear blimp sized, roaming around within the general area of the stadium?
If a black-hawk flies over a light show and is not harmed, does that make it immune to lasers?
User avatar
CaptainChewbacca
Browncoat Wookiee
Posts: 15746
Joined: 2003-05-06 02:36am
Location: Deep beneath Boatmurdered.

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by CaptainChewbacca »

After watching that video, it seems to me that Festo is the kind of company that would be run by a James Bond villain.
Stuart: The only problem is, I'm losing track of which universe I'm in.
You kinda look like Jesus. With a lightsaber.- Peregrin Toker
ImageImage
User avatar
Ilya Muromets
Jedi Knight
Posts: 711
Joined: 2009-03-18 01:07pm
Location: The Philippines
Contact:

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Ilya Muromets »

Wow, those things really look rather graceful. I'd love to have one of those things hovering around my room. It's relaxing just looking at them.
CaptainChewbacca wrote:After watching that video, it seems to me that Festo is the kind of company that would be run by a James Bond villain.
The name actually reminds me of Zest-O, a local juice packing company.
Image

"Like I said, I don't care about human suffering as long as it doesn't affect me."
----LionElJonson, admitting to being a sociopathic little shit

"Please educate yourself before posting more."
----Sarevok, who really should have taken his own advice
User avatar
Molyneux
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 7186
Joined: 2005-03-04 08:47am
Location: Long Island

Re: science has built a better penguin

Post by Molyneux »

My initial reaction on seeing the penguin blimps was sheer, stunned denial - that there was simply no way that anything that bizarrely beautiful, that flying-cars-level science-fictiony, could exist.

On seeing the second video, I'm still not totally convinced...but I am very, very impressed.
Depending on the production cost, those Replicator-esque cubes could be one hell of a toy for the next generation of kids, too. Hell, I would pay through the nose for a set of those and a programming manual.
Ceci n'est pas une signature.
Post Reply